Niklas227 said:

I'm not insinuating SI is going to make that deep. But, for any and all Northern California schools.

Do they really want to be in the Open Division knowing what the prize is at the end?

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Honesty, I think there is a lot of kudos to make Open. It suggests that you are the NorCal best even if the end game is an incredibly and impossibly difficult one.

NorCalSportsFan said:

Other head coaches that coached in CCS All time. May have missed a few that retired in other section or state

Unofficial

300+ Randy Blankenship (2023 retired), Aptos (14 years), Clovis West (8), Fallbrook (2), Mira Loma (10 seasons), Nevada Union (7), Granberry TX (1), Capistrano Valley (1), and Madera (8). * More years coaching outside of section.

269-Benny Pierce, Saratoga (1961-1994) — 34 years

256 - Bill Gray, Oceana and Terra Nova in Pacifica - UPDATED by poster Colhenrylives

253-Norm Costa, Holy Cross (1964-1969), Marello Prep (1970-1976), Palma (1977-1999) – 36 Years

239-*Butch Cattolico , Los Gatos (1986-2009) – 24 years

233-Ron Calcagno, St. Francis (1972-1995) – 24 years

218-Al Cementina, Lick (1955-1975), Independence (1976-1988) – 34 years

214-Ed Buller, Oak Grove (1983-1989 and 1995-2008) – 21 years

213 + - Jeff Carnazzo, Palma (2000- current as of 10/28/2024 with season in progress excludes 3 wins changed to forfeits)

207-*Mike Janda, Bellarmine (1984-2009) – 26 years

207-Buzz Williams, San Mateo (1965-1975 and 1978-1996) – 30 years


Lots of other great coaches under 200. e.g., Pete Lovorato, Sacred Heart Prep and The Kings Academy - 160-170 wins estimate; Golden Anderson (2009 to current) , Carmel High CA (my estimate 127+)

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And don't forget Mike Machado at Valley Christian, currently with 232 wins - 26 years including covid year.

colhenrylives said:

This might be some sort of record. Five former Serra quarterbacks are starting for other schools in 2024. Those schools are: Capuchino, Menlo-Atherton, Jefferson, Mount Diablo and Bishop Manogue (Reno). All five left the San Mateo school for different reasons. All five are directing teams with winning records as playoffs loom. The end result on West 20th Avenue: A distinct lack of experienced QBs throughout the program which currently embraces about 230 boys.

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Andrew Heneghan has done a good job, and he wants to be there.

Don't forget about Jack Burgett at Jeff and Al Steenvorde at Cap, legends

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ClayK said:

Smith is the real deal, so is Mitty.

Without Quieroz, Newman drops back to a large pack trailing Mitty. SRV, O'Dowd (most likely). Carondelet, Salesian (maybe) in NCS; Folsom and SMS are the names I know from SJS. Los Gatos might be good, and some WCAL teams will be strong as well.

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Why hasn't C-Let been in the "top teams" conversation in Norcal? I thought that was Kelly's goal when he took over. Every year I hear about Mitty, BOD, SMS. I don't hear them dominate the conversation like they did when Margaret was there. Just curious to hear your thoughts even more so since there's the Cal Stars connection.

thanks!

I think LBJ6 is close to spot on. I'd add Clovis West and SRV for an eight team field.

Better things are generally in store for CCS this year. There's Mitty, of course. Pinewood returns four strong starters from a squad that was the #1 seed in Norcal D1. Riordan was already on the rise and added a trio of tall talented transfers. And watch out for Priory with four returning starters plus twin posts who could not play last year.

Niklas227 said:

If we can get there as nothing is guaranteed. I'd take SI's chances against Folsom considering Serra beat them.

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That’s we pre eligible transfers multiple D1 players didn’t play against Serra, I think Folsom wins rather handily and would roll Serra if they played again with their new transfers

Relly900 said:

Sicp had a good season

But Folsom would do them real bad in that championship game

Sicp wining on grit and heart

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If we can get there as nothing is guaranteed. I'd take SI's chances against Folsom considering Serra beat them.

Sicp had a good season

But Folsom would do them real bad in that championship game

Sicp wining on grit and heart

iamgearyblvd said:

I actually want SI to make it and play MD. I want to see SI lose 77-0. Hummel gets PUMMELED. Hunkin is SUNKEN. Hogan for No Gain.

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I'm not sure si can get a first down against mater dei

Maybe they backups

iamgearyblvd said:

I actually want SI to make it and play MD. I want to see SI lose 77-0. Hummel gets PUMMELED. Hunkin is SUNKEN. Hogan for No Gain.

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DLS will win out and get the open nod, Folsom vs. CCS open winner in the top norcal game

Niklas227 said:

Here's a question?

Does any North California team really want to make it to the State Championship game against Mater Dei?

I selfishly, would be okay with SI losing the Open Division round dropping down to D1A or D1AA and winning from there.

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I actually want SI to make it and play MD. I want to see SI lose 77-0. Hummel gets PUMMELED. Hunkin is SUNKEN. Hogan for No Gain.

colhenrylives said:

Let us not jump the gun on any of the WCAL's playoff units. We haven't even finished the regular season. SI (and the other WCAL playoff teams) will have a difficult CCS road ahead. Nothing is guaranteed. Just remember 2023 when the league's best flamed out to a large extent as public schools rose up and dashed WCAL hopes (Serra being an obvious exception).

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I'm not insinuating SI is going to make that deep. But, for any and all Northern California schools.

Do they really want to be in the Open Division knowing what the prize is at the end?

San Ramon Valley will be in the mix, no doubt. And so will senior-dominated Acalanes.

LBJ6 said:

Open will be
Acalanes ( NCS winner)
Folsom ( SJS #2)
McClatchy (SJS Winner)
Mitty ( CCS Winner)
Pinewood (CCS #2)
O Dowd or CLET (NCS #2)

In the mix Oakland Tech has a few great players ( two high level D1 players) , Riordan should be on the verge this year and Clovis West will go Open if they get moved North . Piedmont will also surpise people this year despite losing their roster. Don't know what Cardinal Newman looks like without the big but they will obviously still be in the mix. Saint Mary's will scrap but won't hang with the elites this year. No one is close to Mitty again this year in Norcal and they won't play any competitve games against a team from Norcal in my opinion.

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You really don’t think SRV will be in the mix? Time will tell…

CoachRandal said:

“Competitive Equity” is generally a lose lose for small enrollment schools. Enrollment still is a factor and correlated to computer rankings. With the exception of city schools a bigger enrollment provides a bigger pool of athletes. Small schools are either pulled up to play bigger schools or bigger schools are sent down. Thus a lose, lose. Also CE punishes success and rewards mediocrity. That being said small good schools should want to move up to challenge themselves but the system to move should be voluntary. I would also let schools that historically underachieve be allowed to petition to move down. What we are seeing now with CE is the Strong are getting stronger and the Weak are getting weaker. CN and MC will be driven by CE to get better and will probably accomplish it by attracting more players from weak public schools who will get worse. I like enrollment based divisions with a voluntary open to give the top teams the chance to compete to be #1. Right now the playoffs seem meaningless once you get below Open/D1 and perhaps D2. Attendance and interest in HS sports playoffs seems to be declining with this new system. League play is more interesting with its traditional league rivalries.

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What about the small public schools that routinely get blasted by CN and MC?

The NCS setup has always favored just a handful of teams. DLS in D-1, SRV in D-2, and CN/MC in D-4. Same teams dominating the same teams every year.

Do CN or MC belong in D-1/Open? I don't know, but for sure they don't belong anywhere lower than D-2. If they were in any other NorCal section, they would not be allowed to hide in D-4 like they've done for so long. Central Catholic in the SJS (D-I) and Palma in the CCS (D-I-III) are examples of small private schools that have played up and had success.

We should remember that one of the driving forces of competitive equity was a very powerful Valley Christian team clobbering a small public school (Pacific Grove) in the CCS D-IV playoffs many years ago. Since then, at least the CCS has been trying to figure out how to eliminate complete mismatches like that. Maybe this new NCS system still has work to do, but at least it's a step in the right direction.

I think something like the new CCS system could probably work pretty well in the NCS. Declare certain leagues (not just teams) as being at certain levels (A-F). Teams can only play 1 division up or down from their league level. All A teams (BVAL and EBAL-M) could only be in D-1 or D-2. B teams (DFAL, EBAL-V, etc.) in D-1 thru D-3. C teams (RE-A, etc.) D-2 thru D-4 and so on.

FBAddict said:

Redwood-Adobe league is absolutely loaded this year. I pondered what would happen if CN lost to MC and thus lost the league champ. It seems to me that at least 1 RAAL team has to go to Open. And I think that has to be the RAAL champ. Will the coaching staff of both teams consider that scenario and play to it or will they coach their team to be the very best they can be regardless playoff placement. I don't know either coach well enough to guess what they will do.

The NCS selection process has to dig pretty deep into EBMAL, BVAL or even DFAL and WACFAL to avoid placing at least one RAAL team into Open. And now looking at the entire scope of teams available, having both CN and MC in Open is logical. But we all know sectional selection process, especially in the NCS section, is often not very logical.

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I agree. The NCS is not particularly deep this year. Yes, quality at the top, but amongst large schools, there's a big drop after DLS and Pitt (yes, I include SRV in that drop off). But that said, seeds 7 and 8 have pretty much always been fodder for the higher seeds in the NCS D-1 bracket. I don't see how both CN and MC are not among the top 8 in the section.

Right now, San Marin is rated #8 in the section by Calpreps. I would not like to see them in D-1/Open. The "for the good of the bracket" rule should be used there and move them to D-2 (sorry Liberty).