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Salinas vs Soquel at "The Pit"

Salinas and Soquel- two of the top public school programs in the CCS- meet this Friday at "The Pit" in Salinas. If you have never attended a game there- I would highly recommend it. The atmosphere is second to none- with a sunken field and seating right on top of the playing surface- a truly memorable enviroment. I had the opportunity to play there in 1970 as a QB for Monterey Peninsula College versus Hartnell- very
raucous!
As for the matchup this week- it appears both teams come in playing their best football- as it should be. Both teams played solid non league schedules- Soquel having lost narrowly to Los Gatos and San Ramon Valley and disposing of Valley Christian. Salinas got thumped by Clovis- The #4 team in the Central Section- but disposed of Valley Christian and Arroyo Grande- the #14 ranked team in the Central Section. The two teams are playing for the Gabilan division championship. If the Salinas QB was still hobbled- I think Soquel would have been favored- however the Salinas QB appears to be healthy again and I have the game as a pickem.

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

That is a valid question. Could it be sustainable? Think that depends on the Admin and coaching stability and dedication honestly. The alumni support (and expectations lol) are definitely there.
You imagine if Newman had Anderson kid from Windsor? We wouldn't be talking about them belonging in the open. We would be talking about who they would be playing in norcal champ. They could do it year in and out but would need to get the best kids in the area. Windsor has built a great program and there just aren't enough kids to have the talent spread.

NCP Pick'em Week 11 Games

We have a realy good schedule for this week. Picks are due at 7:00 PM on Friday.

Soquel at Salinas
St. Francis at Valley Christian
Serra at Riordan
Corning at Orland
Monterey Trail at Elk Grove
Sutter at Casa Roble
Oakmont at Wheatland
Oak Ridge at Rocklin
Cardinal Newman at Marin Catholic
Casa Grande at American Canyon

Game of the Week Poll - https://norcalpreps.forums.rivals.com/threads/week-11-game-of-the-week-poll.30887/

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Week 11 Game of the Week Poll

What is the Game of the Week?

  • Soquel at Salinas

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • St. Francis at Valley Christian

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Serra at Riordan

    Votes: 4 12.1%
  • Corning at Orland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Monterey Trail at Elk Grove

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • Sutter at Casa Roble

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oakmont at Wheatland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Oak Ridge at Rocklin

    Votes: 3 9.1%
  • Cardinal Newman at Marin Catholic

    Votes: 12 36.4%
  • Casa Grande at American Canyon

    Votes: 0 0.0%

Game of the Week Poll

Predictions

Have a look: Kaleena's soph debut (fall league, I guess)

She's #11 in white uni's. My guess is the other team is perennial power Windward.

I think my favorite bit is when the coach pulled her aside early in the game and said something like, "Let's get going, you haven't even scored a point this quarter."

She immediately calls for the ball, makes a move on her opponent and gets to the rack, is fouled, makes the FT's.

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Agree, but do you think that an Open appearance by CN in this year’s playoffs will lead to CN trying to compete in D1 every year going forward? I’m asking that based on the CN girls basketball program that you brought up. It takes a lot more resources and dedication to sustain football success. Though CN has long been established as a football power at the lower divisions, I don’t know if the demographics in that area can provide CN with enough to take the next step regularly. A good program that produces a team that punches above its weight for a season or two, doesn’t mean it belongs in The Open
That is a valid question. Could it be sustainable? Think that depends on the Admin and coaching stability and dedication honestly. The alumni support (and expectations lol) are definitely there.
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

“Competitive Equity” is generally a lose lose for small enrollment schools. Enrollment still is a factor and correlated to computer rankings. With the exception of city schools a bigger enrollment provides a bigger pool of athletes. Small schools are either pulled up to play bigger schools or bigger schools are sent down. Thus a lose, lose. Also CE punishes success and rewards mediocrity. That being said small good schools should want to move up to challenge themselves but the system to move should be voluntary. I would also let schools that historically underachieve be allowed to petition to move down. What we are seeing now with CE is the Strong are getting stronger and the Weak are getting weaker. CN and MC will be driven by CE to get better and will probably accomplish it by attracting more players from weak public schools who will get worse. I like enrollment based divisions with a voluntary open to give the top teams the chance to compete to be #1. Right now the playoffs seem meaningless once you get below Open/D1 and perhaps D2. Attendance and interest in HS sports playoffs seems to be declining with this new system. League play is more interesting with its traditional league rivalries.
I agree here. MC has about 750 students total. De La Salle, as an example, has 1000+ boys only. While CN and MC may occasionally have teams that can compete at a D1-type level, it's probably pretty rare. They won't have the depth of talent that De La Salle, Serra, etc will have. They should have the option to move up a few divisions but there is nothing wrong with competing two divisions up based on enrollment and winning - that should be okay based on the fact they're private with whatever advantages that provides but they're still small schools by enrollment.
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Suggestions for Modifying CCS Play-off rules

Question on PAL B league automatic berths for the group.

There is some chatter that the PAL has some discretion on wether they give two spots to both the El Camino League and the Ocean League or give three automatic berths to the Ocean League and one to the El Camino League.

CCS rules clearly permit leagues (like the PAL, BVAL, and PCAL that have more than one league in a division to divide things as they wish with two provisions. First, One spot must be preserved for the league champion and second that it is articulated clearly before the season in the league's by-laws. When I go to the Pal Football by-laws it pretty clearly states two teams rom each the Ocean and El Camino leagues, but the by-laws aren't dated and don't know if they were updated prior to this season. Based on some of the chatter by the coaches it seems they think that the PAL has some discretion on wether they give the third place team in the Ocean an automatic berth instead of the second place team in the El Camino.

Does anyone have any knowledge on this? Thanks
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What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Agree, but do you think that an Open appearance by CN in this year’s playoffs will lead to CN trying to compete in D1 every year going forward? I’m asking that based on the CN girls basketball program that you brought up. It takes a lot more resources and dedication to sustain football success. Though CN has long been established as a football power at the lower divisions, I don’t know if the demographics in that area can provide CN with enough to take the next step regularly. A good program that produces a team that punches above its weight for a season or two, doesn’t mean it belongs in The Open
Honestly, there is no reason why Marin Catholic and Newman can't be top 4-5 NCS teams every year regardless of division. It's probably already happened on many occasions already.

What division are CN and Marin Catholic in NCS for the playoffs this season?

Newman has always been known as a football school and have been dedicated to it’s success since Ed Lloyd showed up on campus.
Agree, but do you think that an Open appearance by CN in this year’s playoffs will lead to CN trying to compete in D1 every year going forward? I’m asking that based on the CN girls basketball program that you brought up. It takes a lot more resources and dedication to sustain football success. Though CN has long been established as a football power at the lower divisions, I don’t know if the demographics in that area can provide CN with enough to take the next step regularly. A good program that produces a team that punches above its weight for a season or two, doesn’t mean it belongs in The Open
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