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Best QB/WR combo in the NBL/SCL?

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Every QB has his go-to guy. Gunner Mefferd out of Rancho Cotate has Chris Taylor-Yamanoha. Cardinal Newman's Jordon Brookshire has Damian Wallace. Analy's Jack Newman has Schuyler Van Weele. In my opinion these are my top 3 tandems. Not in any specific order. All three groups have similar numbers and having seen all three play i have my own opinions but would to see what others think.
 
All three play at a high level. I've seen them all and it's very close but I would say Analy has the best combo and passing game of the three.
 
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I disagree that the analy duo is the best. Analy's schedule is WONDERBREAD SOFT and beyond terrible.
Analy's win/lost record of their opponents s 19-48.
Cardnal Newman is 33-31.
And Rancho cotate is 38-27.

The best team that Analy has played is Maria Carrillo (5-3), with whom Analy trailed 14-0 before rallying to win, and who CN had down 47-0 mid 3rd.

The analy duo sat on the bench last year BEHIND the starting Analy qb/wr who are BOTH at the Santa Rosa JC this year.

while the Rancho duo... Chris Y going to Louisville and not sure on Gunner yet...AT LEAST JC level though....BOTH 3 year varsity starters.

and the CN duo.... Brookshire getting recruited by Boise state for QB and Cal and Nebraska are recruiting as athlete.
And Wallace is D1 MWC or WAC level wide receiver....BOTH 2 yr varsity starters and will be 3 yr starters after next year.

Nope, sorry...but have to vehemently disagree....Analy duo 3rd in that argument...
 
Its interesting because Rancho and Analy pass WAY more than Newman. Brookshire is a legit dual threat qb. He's lost 2 starting receivers this year but yet continues to produce with Wallace being his main target. With the emergence late with Jalen Ward becoming a viable threat Mefferd has more weapons than Brookshire. And Northbaybballguru I agree when it comes to Analy's cupcake schedule. To me its a tossup between Brookshire/Wallace and Mefferd/Yamanoha.
 
The question had nothing to do with who had a tougher schedule, who had the most varsity experience or who was getting the most D1 looks.

I've seen all three and I stand by the Analy pick as the best combo. In person, Newman/Van Wheele looked like they were the most polished.

Guru- I'm by no means an Analy homer but you have the facts wrong on the Analy/Carrillo game. Analy scored first and never trailed in that game. They should have put up more points but they easily pulled away.

Hopefully we'll see an Analy vs Rancho playoff matchup so we can have more comparison to go off.
 
The question had nothing to do with who had a tougher schedule, who had the most varsity experience or who was getting the most D1 looks.

I've seen all three and I stand by the Analy pick as the best combo. In person, Newman/Van Wheele looked like they were the most polished.

Guru- I'm by no means an Analy homer but you have the facts wrong on the Analy/Carrillo game. Analy scored first and never trailed in that game. They should have put up more points but they easily pulled away.

Hopefully we'll see an Analy vs Rancho playoff matchup so we can have more comparison to go off.
I would say it absolutely depends on stregth of schedule. If you're going up against teams ranked over 700 in the state on a consistent basis, the team dads could go out there and look "polished". I would like to see Jack Newman go up agaisnt a halfway decent defense and see what he can do. His coach doea him a dis-service by the schedule they play. The kid up on Ft. Bragg Sullivan throws for 500 yds but against teams an average jv team from down here would beat. I would look polished against El Molino too.
 
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Agreed. You have valid points.

Obviously the quality of opponent comes into play. That's a given. It's not Analy's fault the league is down. The coaches don't choose the league they play in. They also can't just change leagues when they feel like it.

The SCL being down skews the win/loss vs opponents numbers for Analy and Petaluma. Much of that is out of their control because of the SCL.

I too am curious to see how Jack Newman will do against better teams come playoff time. That's a question that will be answered in a few weeks.

What I think you don't understand about game scheduling is that agreements are typically made between teams on a two year basis. Home and Away. Take a minute and go back and look at the non-league schedule of Analy and how those opponents finished the year in 2013. That's when the schedule was set. I think you'll be surprised. I'm sure the Analy coaches will be making some changes now that some of the 2 year agreements are finished. Maybe they won't. We'll see.

The question was about the QB/WR combo. Van Wheel is just as if not more explosive than Wallace in person. That is taking the opponent out of it. Explosive is explosive.

I think all three teams could beat each other on any night. It's too bad Newman dropped down because it would have made the D3 field that much more interesting.
 
Yes I understand the scheduling protocol. Explosive is explosive as you say and van weele and Wallace are both just as explosive. I think what seperates the 2 for me is quality of catches. Wallace seems to attack the ball more so the van Weele. Goes and gets it. I know we're splitting hairs but to me it comes down to production plus quality of opponent.

As for the qb's Brookshire is the more polished overall to me. I would take him any day over Newman.

And as far as Analy no they can't control what the other teams record and squad looks like, but when you're in such a small area for football with limited athletes those ups and downs as far as talent goes is going to be much more noticable as compared to D1 and D2 and even D3 school not in the northbay who have way more talent to choose from. Any coach worth his salt would know the Northbay is not a hotbed of quality football and would leave the area to play better teams. Newman and Rancho don't even play teams from their area during preseason. Its a waste of time. From what I heard Cardinal Newman hadnto gonto damn near Oregon because a few bigtime programs from the eastbay wouldn't play them. You can come to your own conclusions about that one.
 
Brookshire and Wallace both will be playing D1 and Brookshire will be at a very high level like NBGURU said. I like Rancho's combo as well. Yamanoha is already off to Louisville and the QB might be a later bloomer. He will be a big strong kid. Hard to teach 6'4-6'5.
 
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Guru, the Analy QB is at Kansas Wesleyan. Johnson the receiver and James the back start for the JC. I haven't seen the Analy Qb and Wr this season. Interested to see what they do against Petaluma and in the playoffs.
 
For the record....Analy DID NOT start dominating the SCL until after Windsor and Casa Grande switched leagues to the NBL and Elsie Allen and Piner to the SCL a few years back. Analy hasn't lost a league game in 4 yrs.....hmmmmm what changed 4 yrs ago...oh yeah the league switch. and since then domination by analy...BEFORE that, they were barely a .500 team, since then...they look like world beaters. Lets make this point..... ELSIE ALLEN, PINER, HEALDSBURG, EL MOLINO, SONOMA......along with PETALUMA (They are usually ok) all in the SCL....the ABSOLUTE WORST FOOTBALL LEAGUE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA...IN FACT THE WORST SPORTS LEAGUE IN GENERAL IN ALL OF CALIFORNIA.....the league is absolute dookie..... as a Sonoma county sports fan I see it on an everday basis...it is REALLY REALLY REALLY bad athletically. Unless you see it everyday you cant quite grasp just how bad it is.

Quite frankly ANALY has no business being in the SCL. They should immediately do everything they can to switch leagues and move into the NBL. (kudos to Casa and Windsor for doing it)....and honestly the NBL should get rid of UKIAH...there is no need for UKIAH in the NBL anymore. There are plenty of "local" teams/schools in the county to fill out BOTH the NBL and SCL. UKIAH in the NBL is an outdated idea who's time has come and gone.....time for the NBL to move on to bigger and better things.

To summarize...hard to say how good Analy is playing against such horrible competition. Even this year their out of league competition was against NBL schools!! C'mon...what is that about??? Try crossing a bridge and playing against some competition in the east bay or down south like BOTH CN and RANCHO did........just saying...

***** Remember the good ole days in the BCS? Is a 2 loss (to LSU and Auburn) ALABAMA team better than an undefeated Houston or MIAMI of Ohio squad? ....lol..... apples to apples :)
 
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Guru- that was a strange post that had nothing to do with this topic. Why the hate for Analy and a "for the record" post when nobody has hyped Analy? Strange. I see that Analy has played non-league games against Pittsburg, Miramonte and Acalanes in the last few years. All teams from across the bridge. Pittsburg cancels out Antioch. Acalanes beats Alhambra every year whom Analy has yet to lose to. Their non-league schedule looks as good or better than Rancho's in the same time period. They are also undefeated against the NBL including a playoff win over Newman.

And Guru- Casa and Windsor didn't switch leagues because the football coaches pushed for it. It was an enrollment based decision. Those moves are made by the AD's and administration which overlooks all the sports for a school.
 
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Hey Guru. What's going on over at Newman? I hear there is some grumblings between some of their programs right now. Not surprised, but surprised it has taken this long for it to erupt honestly. What's the word and who's going to win that battle?
 
Hey Guru. What's going on over at Newman? I hear there is some grumblings between some of their programs right now. Not surprised, but surprised it has taken this long for it to erupt honestly. What's the word and who's going to win that battle?
The bball coach had some choice words for the football coach in the paper. Rumor has it he lost his second best player and his 7-8 man to football injuries and he was livid. Basically blames the football coaches for the injuries. Should be interesting how it goes down. Cronin is a well respected football coach and Bonfigli hae over 700 wins as a bball coach. Clash of the Titans.
 
Frustration settled in is all at Newman. You got arguably one of the better players to come out of Newman in hoops (Rubattino). Bonflgili is one of the all time winningest coaches in CA Hoops history coming off a 30 win season and I want to say most of that team last year graduated. You still would have had a great nucleus with Wallace and Rubattino and probably some underclassmen who would step up. I think they had a few promising soph's on that team last year. Certainly Newman was looking like having another strong hoop team even though they aren't that deep. Then bam! Best player blows out knee. And it sounds like he was on the fence about playing football this season in the first place. Bonfigli and Cronin are close. Cronin was instrumental in bringing him back. Just frustration IMO.

Guru- Do you know if the Botteri kid from last year is playing college hoops anywhere? He was about 6"5-6"6 but seemed like he could be a late bloomer. Super athletic.
 
Frustration settled in is all at Newman. You got arguably one of the better players to come out of Newman in hoops (Rubattino). Bonflgili is one of the all time winningest coaches in CA Hoops history coming off a 30 win season and I want to say most of that team last year graduated. You still would have had a great nucleus with Wallace and Rubattino and probably some underclassmen who would step up. I think they had a few promising soph's on that team last year. Certainly Newman was looking like having another strong hoop team even though they aren't that deep. Then bam! Best player blows out knee. And it sounds like he was on the fence about playing football this season in the first place. Bonfigli and Cronin are close. Cronin was instrumental in bringing him back. Just frustration IMO.

Guru- Do you know if the Botteri kid from last year is playing college hoops anywhere? He was about 6"5-6"6 but seemed like he could be a late bloomer. Super athletic.
Funny how after that all happened in the paper the very next week the varsity footbball bus to Ukiah was mysteriously "cancelled". Jv bus made it jus fine fine. Bonfigli is a good coach but does nothing to help his players get to the next level. Kenny Love at a D3 school? Cmon now he could have gone 1AA or D2. Hes still taking credit for Bobby Sharp. McMillan got him to the next level.
 
GS- That I agree with you on. I have personal experience along with many others. Kenny Love was MVP last year of that league and has found a good home. The big kid on that team got a ride to Alaska Anchorage (Hammell) and will do fine. Many others have found the light after Newman. Its much easier today though with AAU and electronic media to get noticed.
But nobody prepares there kids like Bonfigli does. He may not market them well but once they get there they know how to play the game the right way. I will take him anyday.
 
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For the record....Analy DID NOT start dominating the SCL until after Windsor and Casa Grande switched leagues to the NBL and Elsie Allen and Piner to the SCL a few years back. Analy hasn't lost a league game in 4 yrs.....hmmmmm what changed 4 yrs ago...oh yeah the league switch. and since then domination by analy...BEFORE that, they were barely a .500 team, since then...they look like world beaters. Lets make this point..... ELSIE ALLEN, PINER, HEALDSBURG, EL MOLINO, SONOMA......along with PETALUMA (They are usually ok) all in the SCL....the ABSOLUTE WORST FOOTBALL LEAGUE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA...IN FACT THE WORST SPORTS LEAGUE IN GENERAL IN ALL OF CALIFORNIA.....the league is absolute dookie..... as a Sonoma county sports fan I see it on an everday basis...it is REALLY REALLY REALLY bad athletically. Unless you see it everyday you cant quite grasp just how bad it is.

Quite frankly ANALY has no business being in the SCL. They should immediately do everything they can to switch leagues and move into the NBL. (kudos to Casa and Windsor for doing it)....and honestly the NBL should get rid of UKIAH...there is no need for UKIAH in the NBL anymore. There are plenty of "local" teams/schools in the county to fill out BOTH the NBL and SCL. UKIAH in the NBL is an outdated idea who's time has come and gone.....time for the NBL to move on to bigger and better things.

To summarize...hard to say how good Analy is playing against such horrible competition. Even this year their out of league competition was against NBL schools!! C'mon...what is that about??? Try crossing a bridge and playing against some competition in the east bay or down south like BOTH CN and RANCHO did........just saying...

***** Remember the good ole days in the BCS? Is a 2 loss (to LSU and Auburn) ALABAMA team better than an undefeated Houston or MIAMI of Ohio squad? ....lol..... apples to apples :)

Nice rant! I guess my only quibbles would be that Analy and Piner at are good enough at mens' hoops to hang in the NBL, and both are far better than Rancho has been lately. Likewise, Sonoma Valley, Petaluma, and Analy are all better at baseball than Windsor, Rancho and Santa Rosa have been since I've been around. Heck, if you're going to toss a team out of the NBL to make room for Analy, you could make a good case for that being Santa Rosa. Other than cross-country, badminton, and girls basketball they do not field very good teams. As for Ukiah, I hear you, but it's sort of an adventure and right of passage to get on the bus and play up there against very hostile crowds and homer officials. Plus Anton Stadium is one of the 2-3 nicest baseball fields in the North Bay.
 
All very valid points QUAFFER. Erickson at Piner is a very good coach for mens hoops. If you gave him some of the talent these other schools had he would be up there every year. I guess what it comes down too is Analy needs to step up in the off season for Football and play a couple games they could lose. The league thing is always an adventure. Very rare does a school dominate consistently in all 3 major sports with exception of Newman.
 
Agree on Santa Rosa's time in the NBL should be numbered. Just not competitive in most sports.

Ukiah, where are you going to put them? HD-N big 5? Way to far. Possibly the NCL I. Although Ukiah would be double and triple some enrollments their overall sports programs are so dysfunctional they wouldnt dominate. Hell this year I wouldn't see them any higher than 3rd place (behind FB and SH) on the gridiron.
 
Tom Bonfigli is the only coach at CN who can call out Cronin in the paper and not get fired. A lot of that has to do with his brother being the AD and one of his longtime friend/asst coach/ex student is the current principal. What Bonfigli said (right or wrong) should never have been aired out in the Press Democrat. If he had a problem with the football coach it should have been taken care of behind closed doors. There are no checks and balances over there re: the boys basketball team with the assistant coach of the boys team being the AD. They do what they want.
 
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Guru- that was a strange post that had nothing to do with this topic. Why the hate for Analy and a "for the record" post when nobody has hyped Analy? Strange. I see that Analy has played non-league games against Pittsburg, Miramonte and Acalanes in the last few years. All teams from across the bridge. Pittsburg cancels out Antioch. Acalanes beats Alhambra every year whom Analy has yet to lose to. Their non-league schedule looks as good or better than Rancho's in the same time period. They are also undefeated against the NBL including a playoff win over Newman.

And Guru- Casa and Windsor didn't switch leagues because the football coaches pushed for it. It was an enrollment based decision. Those moves are made by the AD's and administration which overlooks all the sports for a school.


sorry.....the point I was TRYING to make was that the SCL is so bad that the stats the ANALY kids put up and the impressive wins/resume has to be taken with a grain of salt.....I kind of went off on a tangent..lol...my bad.
 
Guru- that was a strange post that had nothing to do with this topic. Why the hate for Analy and a "for the record" post when nobody has hyped Analy? Strange. I see that Analy has played non-league games against Pittsburg, Miramonte and Acalanes in the last few years. All teams from across the bridge. Pittsburg cancels out Antioch. Acalanes beats Alhambra every year whom Analy has yet to lose to. Their non-league schedule looks as good or better than Rancho's in the same time period. They are also undefeated against the NBL including a playoff win over Newman.

And Guru- Casa and Windsor didn't switch leagues because the football coaches pushed for it. It was an enrollment based decision. Those moves are made by the AD's and administration which overlooks all the sports for a school.
Agap,
Which school are you for?
 
It's hard to say if Analy is overrated or not. They obviously haven't been tested this year. I saw them destroy Rancho in their preseason scrimage, but that has to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they looked really good.

With that said, people were saying the same thing about Analy not playing anyone last year and they gave Campo a good game in the 3rd round of the playoffs a week after Campo killed Newman in round two.

Analy added Casa, Monty, and Carillo after the 2013 season where the teams were 13-1, 10-3, and 4-6 respectively. When drawing up the schedule, it appears they tried to schedule two good teams and a mediocre team. How was anyone to know Casa and especially Monty would fall so far? Both were better than CN and Rancho that year. Sometimes the competition level you think you are scheduling changes, and that's just the way it goes.

Analy has a good coaching staff and they will be a difficult "out"in the playoffs. Not everyone gets to drop down to D4 to avoid Campo.
 
It's hard to say if Analy is overrated or not. They obviously haven't been tested this year. I saw them destroy Rancho in their preseason scrimage, but that has to be taken with a grain of salt. Still, they looked really good.

With that said, people were saying the same thing about Analy not playing anyone last year and they gave Campo a good game in the 3rd round of the playoffs a week after Campo killed Newman in round two.

Analy added Casa, Monty, and Carillo after the 2013 season where the teams were 13-1, 10-3, and 4-6 respectively. When drawing up the schedule, it appears they tried to schedule two good teams and a mediocre team. How was anyone to know Casa and especially Monty would fall so far? Both were better than CN and Rancho that year. Sometimes the competition level you think you are scheduling changes, and that's just the way it goes.

Analy has a good coaching staff and they will be a difficult "out"in the playoffs. Not everyone gets to drop down to D4 to avoid Campo.
Well said 3yrds. I'm sure the staffs at Analy and Rancho are looking forward to getting after it come playoff time and welcome the head to head matchup. Analy first has to lock up the SCL title against Petaluma. They are well coached and are coming off a bye. They'll give Analy everything they have.
 
Or petition up to play them. I can only think of two school in D4 who have optioned up to a higher division the past few years.

DIV is looking like the tougher draw this season. Its deep with some good football teams. MC and Newman may have chose a tougher path to a title by moving down. I've seen Campo a few times online and they're good but they were a better football team last season. I know they graduated two guys on division 1 teams. They just don't seem as explosive as last season. Their back last season was tough to deal with and the tight end gets reps as a true freshman at USC. I'd actually like to see Campo try to stop Brookshire. That would be a good game.
 
Yes you don't lose a talent like a Petite and not have some drop off. Campi is a great program, but from what I have seen of them this year their is some drop off from last year. Yes D4 looks like a more competitive / deeper division than D3 this year.
 
Or petition up to play them. I can only think of two school in D4 who have optioned up to a higher division the past few years.

CN has been playing in D2-D3/ 3A-2A for the last 20+ years. They have a competitive advantage against all of the D2 and D3 teams in the area, yet due to the NCS' poor alignment and cranium-rectumitas disease on what to do with the privates, CN can technically play in D4. They then decide to take advantage of the situation instead of playing in the medium school divisions where they belong (and have always played) and where they are competitive. I just think it's a pussy move. We better make sure little Johnny gets a "trophy", so let's put him in the small school division with Lower Lake and Fort Bragg.

At least in D3 they would have a tough semifinal game against Campo, Analy, or Rancho. In D4 they won't see anyone until MC in the Championship.

The thing about it is, I think CN is the best team in the Empire this year and could actually beat Campo and win D3. Everyone talks about Brookshire and for good reason, but I really like their O-Line. That's what makes the decision even more pathetic. Big fish, little pond syndrom. MC pussed out too. Disappointing because both programs are better than that. How great and competitive would the D3 playoffs be had they stayed in D3?
 
I can't totally disagree, but here blame lies on the CIF and NCS. All those years that CN and MC played for a 2A and 3A title going to back your 20 years how many SBG were they eligible for in the time?

The ghey 13 bowl game layout is what spurred this. Nothing more nothing less. If it is their goal to play in a SBG what path should they take? It's been laid out with the 13 division "winners". Central Cath has done similar in the past. Do I personally like it, no? But are they playing fair and within the rules, yes!

And where is the outrage with Eureka??? They have had NCS success at a higher level in the past and yet they are playing in the division they are slotted, yet not one peep they somehow get a pass, very selective criticism?
 
Yes, the NCS officials are not very good. There is no doubt about that. CN played in D2/D3 since the bowl games started nine years ago.

Central Catholic plays in D3. The SJS placed them in a D3 league up from D4 a couple of years after they became a power. CN has been a power since the 70's, there is no reason they should be moving down now.


Eureka and CN/MC are apples to oranges. You are reaching with that comparison. Eureka is a public school and their enrollment is just over 1100, so they are one of the smallest D3 schools there is. Their town has 30K in population so they get the kids they get. CN draws from all of Somoma County 550K and also gets some kids from Lake and Mendocino County. I don't have a problem with CN getting kids from everywhere, Cronin and his staff have earned it by building a strong program. My issue is that they know they have a competitive advantage against the real small schools such Willits, Lower Lake, St. Helena, etc, and they chose the weaker path because the NCS screwed up and gave them a window. It's kind of like the 15 yr old freshman who can still make weight so he plays youth football with the 7th and 8th graders instead of going out for the freshman/JV team with all the kids his own age.

Then I hear people say, well Justin Siena and St. Mary's play in D4, so why can't we. Although Justin and St. Marys are good D4 teams, they have never been at a level of CN and MC. They should look at moving up if they can continue to rise like they are. Justin has won a total of four NCS championships, and St Mary's two so there are public schools that have fared better in that division. CN and MC have always been powers in the D2 & D3.

I guess we agree to disagree. Maybe if CN raises their tuition some more they can drop their enrollment down to 499 kids so they can play D5 for playoffs with Potter Valley.
 
CN has been playing in D2-D3/ 3A-2A for the last 20+ years. They have a competitive advantage against all of the D2 and D3 teams in the area, yet due to the NCS' poor alignment and cranium-rectumitas disease on what to do with the privates, CN can technically play in D4. They then decide to take advantage of the situation instead of playing in the medium school divisions where they belong (and have always played) and where they are competitive. I just think it's a pussy move. We better make sure little Johnny gets a "trophy", so let's put him in the small school division with Lower Lake and Fort Bragg.

At least in D3 they would have a tough semifinal game against Campo, Analy, or Rancho. In D4 they won't see anyone until MC in the Championship.

The thing about it is, I think CN is the best team in the Empire this year and could actually beat Campo and win D3. Everyone talks about Brookshire and for good reason, but I really like their O-Line. That's what makes the decision even more pathetic. Big fish, little pond syndrom. MC pussed out too. Disappointing because both programs are better than that. How great and competitive would the D3 playoffs be had they stayed in D3?
Agreed. There are many "my son WILL get a trophy" parents at CN. I am sad they went this route, although I am not a bit surprised.
 
I don't disagree that there are parents like that at CN and pretty much anywhere, but from what I have heard the parents and even the coaches had little or no input in the decision to play in D4. It's all about the administration looking for ways to increase the school's profile in order to ramp up enrollment. They need more students.
 
Agreed. There are many "my son WILL get a trophy" parents at CN. I am sad they went this route, although I am not a bit surprised.
And its usually parents who's kid will barely play. It sucks actually. The kind of parents who have the unmitigated gall to walk up to a coach and basically say I pay full tuition my kid should be paying more. I've seen it firsthand. And the kids who do go out and bust ass to get better have to deal with these pretty boy scrubs who have no business on the court or field and bring the team down because daddy is trying to live vicariously through his kid.
 
CN or MC if they win D4 will play in the Open Small school game, if they won D3 they would be playing for the small school open game, so why not play in your enrollment at this point?
 
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