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but it's a honor to be in the open, that's what someone said. If it really is such an honor than you show up with whoever is on the roster but forfeiting is some BS.I just read C-Let is forfeiting it’s game vs. pinewood??? WTF is going on here?
check out the other thread before coming to your own conclusions...but it's a honor to be in the open, that's what someone said. If it really is such an honor than you show up with whoever is on the roster but forfeiting is some BS.
I just read C-Let is forfeiting it’s game vs. pinewood??? WTF is going on here?
paytc has a daughter on the team. I think privacy should be respected--this ain't TMZ. or is it? I do think paytc is ripping others while hiding the ball, which is a cheap shot. if you won't say why the kids are victims, or the penalty harsh, don't name-call or label, just keep quiet. and like I said, respecting privacy is a good reason to be silent.
That’s a tragedy, adults expect kids to be perfect and the sad thing is most of the adults that have these expectations have a lot of skeletons in their own closetPer Mitch Stephens:
“According to sources, the forfeiture was the result of a party held by one member of the team — and attended by all of her teammates — on Saturday, the day after Carondelet won its third consecutive North Coast Section title.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sf...d-forfeits-NorCal-opener-in-wake-12733649.php
Here's a question .. How many times has the d4 section champ not gone to the open? Hmmm...About time someone stood up to The CIF Dictatorship! What will be the next move??? Will some start an AAU WINTER high school league ?? I beat all the best players in would play in it!!! All types of different and all different levels!!! Come playoffs teams would divide in level like AAU!!! This will Attract tons of colleges to watch these kids!!!!!!
I should of put it on another thread. My bad .I don’t think the CLet issue has anything to do with the NCS, Clay, St.Farm, Kelly, MM, Cal Stars or the CIF selection committee. Someone at the school decided to make a statement.
Per Mitch Stephens:
“According to sources, the forfeiture was the result of a party held by one member of the team — and attended by all of her teammates — on Saturday, the day after Carondelet won its third consecutive North Coast Section title.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sf...d-forfeits-NorCal-opener-in-wake-12733649.php
When you forfeit a playoff game you do not just effect the school and the players on the team but the entire bracket they are in. I think these administrators should have recognized that the school had a responsibility to fullfill once the accepted the bid. You just don't forfeit under these sort of circumstances. Sometimes it appears that school administrators and those in education are living in an alternate reality. Despite their own delusions they are often not the sharpest tools in the sched.
They said team rules in the statement, but what they really meant was school rules. Private schools are no joke when it comes to parties, drugs, alcohol, etc. I'm not sure if the rest of the story I heard is true or not, but it warrants the punishment. If the entire team was out drinking like the article says, what else would be punishment enough for that?? If it were one or 2 gals then obviously just they would be punished but this was the whole team that collectively made a poor decision. They should not get a pass just because it was the playoffs, people would not be crying foul play by the school if this were a January gameThanks for sharing. There you go.... Drinking or drugs. A social gathering with no wrongdoing doesn't result in a forfeiture of this magnitude. Kids know the team rules very well. Seems harsh and it penalizes everybody except Pinewood who got a freebie.
They said team rules in the statement, but what they really meant was school rules. Private schools are no joke when it comes to parties, drugs, alcohol, etc. I'm not sure if the rest of the story I heard is true or not, but it warrants the punishment. If the entire team was out drinking like the article says, what else would be punishment enough for that?? If it were one or 2 gals then obviously just they would be punished but this was the whole team that collectively made a poor decision. They should not get a pass just because it was the playoffs, people would not be crying foul play by the school if this were a January game
I was not pretending to know more than you, sir. Those examples are very different than the situation at hand though. And maybe I am giving the admin too much credit here, but I felt that if after the investigation was completed, and if it were found that only a few young ladies were drinking, while the rest sat around and watched or left or didn't participate, then things would be handled differently. Again, maybe I am giving them too much benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, I know from attending a private high school, that even being present where there is drinking going on, and not saying something about it, is wrong in their eyes (at least where I went). I don't know how they would punish a non-athlete in that situation, but I would hope that the punishments would not be more or less severe due to them being in the playoffs. Like hookguy said... these are life lessons taught through basketball.. seems unfair now, but even 10 years down the road someone will remind their team of the 2018 Carondelet team and encourage them to make good decisions.I don't think you ( or anyone outside of the circle) are in the position to say whether it was 1 or 2 girls or the whole team.I'm closer to the situation and I don't know everything that actually happened. I think most can read between the lines and are smart enough to know the level in which each child on the team was involved with acting irresponsibly were different, if at all. And when UCLA had an incident where a couple of their players were accused of wrongful conduct I don't recall the Chinese government, UCLA'S administration, the team, or anyone else coming down on every player on the team. Or when our serviceman are accused of rape in another country they don't all get accused and then all punished. And everyone in America or it's government don't get included when a few go wrong. Rumor has it even some in the administration feel the situation could have been handled with calmer heads. And it's rumored even some in the administration don't agree with pulling all the children out of the tournament. Things are never as clear cut as it may appear on the outside. That is why things need to be investigated without a rush to judgement.
I was not pretending to know more than you, sir. Those examples are very different than the situation at hand though. And maybe I am giving the admin too much credit here, but I felt that if after the investigation was completed, and if it were found that only a few young ladies were drinking, while the rest sat around and watched or left or didn't participate, then things would be handled differently. Again, maybe I am giving them too much benefit of the doubt. On the other hand, I know from attending a private high school, that even being present where there is drinking going on, and not saying something about it, is wrong in their eyes (at least where I went). I don't know how they would punish a non-athlete in that situation, but I would hope that the punishments would not be more or less severe due to them being in the playoffs. Like hookguy said... these are life lessons taught through basketball.. seems unfair now, but even 10 years down the road someone will remind their team of the 2018 Carondelet team and encourage them to make good decisions.
You always take your examples to the extreme man... again very very different. However, you say that the kids shouldn't play police or snitch because of the unfair responsibility... you then go on to state that many were a bit heroic that evening. I am sure (especially if the story I heard is true) that those heriocs came about from either policing one another or snitching in some way. AND those heroics had to come out as a result of bad decisions made.I do believe your right. You are giving the administration the benefit of the doubt. As aways we tend to give those with all the power and authority the benefit of the doubt. As I have stated prior, I don't believe everyone should be held accountable for any and everyone else's conduct. With that logic every child at the school in Florida where the nut shot dozens of people should all share in the blame. After all many were classmates. And they all went to the same school. I don't recall the UCLA administration coming down on the whole team for the inappropriate conduct of a couple of its players. Probably because they know every child has to be individually accountable. And the laughable thought that all kids should play police or snitch is an unfair responsibility. I agree they all should try to help others and be the best examples themselves. I hear many children were a bit heroic that evening.To make all children accountable for all other children is nonsense and hypocritical. Because all adults aren't responsible for all other adults.
You always take your examples to the extreme man... again very very different. However, you say that the kids shouldn't play police or snitch because of the unfair responsibility... you then go on to state that many were a bit heroic that evening. I am sure (especially if the story I heard is true) that those heriocs came about from either policing one another or snitching in some way. AND those heroics had to come out as a result of bad decisions made.
Donny- I bet you are correct. People can't help themselves in todays' world. Makes a cops life pretty damn easy at times according to a few friends of mine.
I went to private schools and played sports. Coaches repeatedly tell you don't screw it up. Don't go out drinking or getting into trouble. That was ingrained in us. Its pretty clear cut. Not a wise choice by this team and/or individuals. Terrible situation but put yourselves in their shoes. What message does it send to turn your eye?
You make a really good point. How can all the girls be punished unless it was all the girls that participated in what ever occurred. It feels like a rush to punish without clearly thinking out this decision. I dont know the details but I doubt the whole team was involved. LET THEM PLAY and punish who needs to be punished.I don't think you ( or anyone outside of the circle) are in the position to say whether it was 1 or 2 girls or the whole team.I'm closer to the situation and I don't know everything that actually happened. I think most can read between the lines and are smart enough to know the level in which each child on the team was involved with acting irresponsibly were different, if at all. And when UCLA had an incident where a couple of their players were accused of wrongful conduct I don't recall the Chinese government, UCLA'S administration, the team, or anyone else coming down on every player on the team. Or when our serviceman are accused of rape in another country they don't all get accused and then all punished. And everyone in America or it's government don't get included when a few go wrong. Rumor has it even some in the administration feel the situation could have been handled with calmer heads. And it's rumored even some in the administration don't agree with pulling all the children out of the tournament. Things are never as clear cut as it may appear on the outside. That is why things need to be investigated without a rush to judgement. Meanwhile the team should be allowed to play.
But how do you determine who should be punished? If there's no objective evidence, then you ask the players. The one who didn't drink say they didn't; the honest ones who did drink say they did; but the dishonest ones who did drink say they didn't, and get to play.
Or you ask each player to rat out her teammates ... and then run the risk of someone getting payback.
Again, if you could know for sure who was drinking and who wasn't, then you can make distinctions -- lacking that certainty, it gets more complicated.