Cal fans (and admin) were disappointed at the referees for not stopping the clock on the first down at the end of the game. What the fans don't know is that, the clock is only stopped when chains need to be moved. It was first and goal from the 3, therefore chains did not need to be moved, nor the clock should have been stopped. GAME OVER. That ones on Coach.
CAL vs Amador CLOCK CONTROVERSY
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Thanks for explanation! It's funny how when it appears MY favorite team is getting the short end I fail to even think of that.
However, when you watch game film, the first 4th and 1 Amador had, not only was the runner stopped short (even Dr. B. shocked it was 1st. down), the ball was striped cleanly. Should have been Cal's ball on the Amador 40, Instead the Dons ran off another five minutes and got a FG.
Amador punts in 2nd quarter and ball clearly hits Amador players foot, but they get to keep ball. Should have been 1st and 10 on the 30.
I won't even go into spotting of the ball, it's only HS football, but I hate home cooking.
Amador punts in 2nd quarter and ball clearly hits Amador players foot, but they get to keep ball. Should have been 1st and 10 on the 30.
I won't even go into spotting of the ball, it's only HS football, but I hate home cooking.
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If ever the clearly better team lost the game it was this game. Hopefully the Grizzlies learned from Amador and Granada games that it requires they play a complete game, not just one half. This Cal High team is very capable of beating both Foothill and Monte Vista IF they play a complete game.
Last four games the 1st team D hasn't allowed a point, we need to do the same in 1st half.
We'll be underdogs against last three but have chance against Foothill and Monte Vista.
Clock should have stopped until Down Marker was set and operator given bean bag.
Cal's done fairly well against MV as of late. '10 and '11 first time in Grizz history they won two years in a row. MV was down a bit right after. I call the Ertz little brother concussion factor. That was scary.
Most HS chain gangs (absolutely in College/NFL but now less important with replay official) and especially the box man do not carry the bean bag (placed at ball spot in case a sweep takes out the box man and/or chain guy. ) Plus with first and goal, the box man is usually setting up on the heel spot of the Head Linesman as the Umpire is placing the ball. He's tracking the play on the sideline and his box man knows the move forward signal once line to gain is reached. The white hat does NOT have to stop the clock for that spot, as the front and back chain guys have already laid down their sticks.
HAS, were they facing the North EZ where the clock was?
You've got first and ten at the 14, and you call Y-pop without telling your QB the outcomes: "We don't score, line 'em up fast, immediate spike. We score...RELAX." Unfortunately, the QB ran a play. BTW, the HC calls ALL the plays for the Grizz and the QB goes to the sideline for those. No WR or RB taking the play from coach to QB. Too bad for the Grizz players history repeats itself. Exact same scenario NCS round 1 in '11, except the FG unit was not set with the fire drill and blocked. Easily could've spiked previous play (QB keeper) and before running the K unit on, with the All-EB K ready to boot it from the 20. Ironically the week before, Cal had a spike situation against deLa end of first half. Sr. QB calmly got them set 3rd and goal from the 7, no TO left, while staring straight at the OO clock and spiked with 2 left. Operator let it run with the horn, but white hat was looking at the same thing and put the two back on the clock. Those 2nd half timeouts are like your infant; you hold them, caress them and handle them as carefully as a Faberge egg.
Most HS chain gangs (absolutely in College/NFL but now less important with replay official) and especially the box man do not carry the bean bag (placed at ball spot in case a sweep takes out the box man and/or chain guy. ) Plus with first and goal, the box man is usually setting up on the heel spot of the Head Linesman as the Umpire is placing the ball. He's tracking the play on the sideline and his box man knows the move forward signal once line to gain is reached. The white hat does NOT have to stop the clock for that spot, as the front and back chain guys have already laid down their sticks.
HAS, were they facing the North EZ where the clock was?
You've got first and ten at the 14, and you call Y-pop without telling your QB the outcomes: "We don't score, line 'em up fast, immediate spike. We score...RELAX." Unfortunately, the QB ran a play. BTW, the HC calls ALL the plays for the Grizz and the QB goes to the sideline for those. No WR or RB taking the play from coach to QB. Too bad for the Grizz players history repeats itself. Exact same scenario NCS round 1 in '11, except the FG unit was not set with the fire drill and blocked. Easily could've spiked previous play (QB keeper) and before running the K unit on, with the All-EB K ready to boot it from the 20. Ironically the week before, Cal had a spike situation against deLa end of first half. Sr. QB calmly got them set 3rd and goal from the 7, no TO left, while staring straight at the OO clock and spiked with 2 left. Operator let it run with the horn, but white hat was looking at the same thing and put the two back on the clock. Those 2nd half timeouts are like your infant; you hold them, caress them and handle them as carefully as a Faberge egg.
It was a blotched play at the end, did you watch replay? 4th and 1 biggest play of game......I don't feel it was just bad spot, think it was giving the underdog a break. The runner stuffed and ball stripped. Even Channel 30 (Dr. B.) had already given ball to Cal.
Has, thanks....I was referring to when Cal had ball at the end. When a QB is facing the scoreboard it certainly helps him manage crunch time. I was a little surprised to see the Dons that close anywhere near the end. Cal's success against Sira had been dominant.
Dr. B forgets what town he's in. Ian and Sbranti, when he did games, were pretty sharp. I've had the privilege of watching quite a few games. Quick whistles, and poor spots are so common they come with the territory in HS. Hankies on inconsequential holds, behind TD runs and then when a kid gets his leg broken or sternum crushed on a cheap shot one wonders why was every zebra following the ball when he's supposed to watching his zone.
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1315 is right, the clock doesn't stop for the chains when they are 1st and goal, just the box with the down counter that lines up on the line of scrimmage. As long at that guy made it to the line, nobody cares what the chains are doing as they get laid down as soon as its first and goal. Cal needs to get some sort of hand signal for a spike into the action when they are late in the game and noise is bad so this never happens again. Even if the refs had signalled for the clock to stop, it would have only been for a second or two while the box man got set. A spike gets you time to set up and make sure everyone is on the same page.
I haven't seen the game film, but its unfortunate if there were bad calls that went against the Grizz. Cal can't let AV get up 17-0, even though they don't allow a 1st down in the entire 2nd half. It sounds like the game was still winnable at the end though, and if they had just kicked a FG to put it into OT, they certainly had the momentum. Gotta be better than that this week vs. Foothill.
I haven't seen the game film, but its unfortunate if there were bad calls that went against the Grizz. Cal can't let AV get up 17-0, even though they don't allow a 1st down in the entire 2nd half. It sounds like the game was still winnable at the end though, and if they had just kicked a FG to put it into OT, they certainly had the momentum. Gotta be better than that this week vs. Foothill.
Little does 1315 know the head of officials according to my referee friends has called the school and apologized for the botched call by his crew . So before you put blame on the coach you have to know your facts and the only way you know your facts is if you were on the sideline not be hear say.
It was the commentator who was most shocked, I confess I used Dr. B. because he was only name I knew.
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Did your friends tell you as to which specific call the Head was apologizing for? The fumble? The first and goal clock? HS officials (and before replay, even the next levels) make crappy calls, a lot. And there is little recourse. I get that, have seen it, affected my kids and it sucks. In this situation, clock management is not accountable to refs or players. Nor is timeout usage or play calling.
Yes the last play of the game when they should have stopped the clock. The fumble was a fumble once again your not paying attention. Clock management is accountable for refs that is why they are paid. Obviously you probably have never coached and sat in the stands as a keyboard dad on these websites or you have something out for the cal high coach who in my book has been pretty damn successful. I am sure he had a few plays called for certain situations. like I said before if you weren't on the sidelines or in the huddle don't critique unless you know the facts. Guys like you is what makes hs sports not enjoyable. You critique every little thing without stating any factual info
Chill newbie. "Guys like you IS what makes hs sports not enjoyable." Firstly, guys like me ARE what make HS ball enjoyable. I was a major supporter in most ways to my 17 seasons as a HS sports parent. I was a HUGE supporter of the coaches, as I was one myself at that time. Secondly, two of mine spent plenty of time in the O huddles. One of whom who knew, I am sure, more about play calling than you. And their coaches, to the one, vouched for their competitive spirit. I apologize if mine shows through. If you have anything to do with the team, you'd be thankful the progeny traited that. So, your issues with criticism, constructive or not, could be attributed to loyalty clouding judgment (see Penn State.) I'll opt for integrity.
That's what happens when posters let their misguided defenses rule their objectivity. I don't post here because I "hate" on efforts that get compensated. Contributions are because I care about the kids, who do it after school, on weekends, all summer and for some, juggling multi-sports.... for diddly. Sideline wannabe maybe drinking too much of the kool-aid. Most of us are in agreement there could've should've been a spike, and then.... all sorts of deflection. "The clock should've stopped." "I am sure he called a few plays for certain situations." Then I mention a deja vu moment with this same program and the wagons get circled. Having an objective watchdog is what many programs could benefit from. And according to BANG's lead front page article in the SRV Times today, this school could too.
Just so everyone knows, we were debating and even attacking each others posts concerning the game, that's ok, we never attacked each other, that's not ok.
Not upset at all, just pointing out for everyone that try not to get into computer fights.
P.S. I'm not perfect, I've been known to jab back, never take first punch, but my jab can be a knock out punch!
HAS- best of luck rest of the way. Like B3k, you can tell it's missed once gone. GATA.
Bball, not sure why so defensive. Maybe that's what you coach. But NCP involves a forum that allow for the questioning of decisions, just like coaches do with their players. Like the OP, I gave background info on a spike situation, noted by others. Feel free to defend, but if nothing is learned, that's a shame.
Bball, not sure why so defensive. Maybe that's what you coach. But NCP involves a forum that allow for the questioning of decisions, just like coaches do with their players. Like the OP, I gave background info on a spike situation, noted by others. Feel free to defend, but if nothing is learned, that's a shame.
Problem was they had called play earlier, coach then called for spike from sidelines and half players heard him and half didn't. If everyone had been on same page would have worked.
Nice finish would be for us to beat foothill and have last two weeks Cal-MV and Amador-Foothill with winners sharing!
