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Coach Kevin Macy complaining that Campolindo with 1254 students faces Milpitas with 3100+ students. On the surface this seems like a mismatch but keep in mind that the kids that live in the Lafayette/Orinda area have the choice of three schools they can attend, Campolindo, Acalenes or Miramonte. Most of the best football players choose Campo and have the luxury of playing traditional D3 public school opponents. I venture to guess that the vast majority of Milpitas team is from a three or four mile radius of the school. With the exception of Strother, Milpitas has a big size advantage, but size isn't everything.

The combined enrollment at those three schools = 3827 as opposed to 3105 at Milpitas. Not that big of a difference.
 
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That is out of character for Coach Macy. I am surprised by the comments.
Reason #1. He played in a Regional Bowl game last season vs a team (Sutter) that Campo had nearly twice the enrollment. And basically hosted also.
#2. In having multiple emails with him he always struck me as a man of character, integrity and trust in his program, coaches and players and excuses to me anyway were never part of the conversation.
#3. It was stated in this process that enrollment figures were not going to be used to determine the match ups so the size of school should not matter.
Sutter again is playing in a regional game in which they are playing a school that has twice their enrollment (Sierra ) and they realize that is just the system that is before them. No complaint, no gripe just business as usual.
In my opinion, much to the shagrin of one other site, not mentioning any names (Tennis) LOL who has basically a negative comment about almost all of the CIFs choices, Sutter is where they belong. It will be a tough game but Sutter will prepare and be ready. I think for the most part the CIF got most games right. And that pisses the aforementioned off. LOL The aforementioned is not Coach Macy
 
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Campo doesn't need to worry about enrollment size. They are coached well enough that they should win the game. Anyone who watched the bell game or is anyway familiar with Milpitas knows they can barely get lined up on offense. Its sad to watch wide receivers in game 13 not know if they need to be on the ball or not. They also are one of the most penalized teams in the section.
 
Not a fan of this matchup but I do think Campo should win. Milpitas has all the potential to be a very good team but they always come up short. Campo is a well coached team and that has always been key to beating Milpitas. I would have rather seen Campo face SF or SHP.
 
Macy is a Cal educated engineer, and yes, very smart. Psychology is so underutilized by most coaches. The bright ones know how to "play" on almost anything. The others are left not knowing what just happened or how they mucked that up.
 
Macy is a Cal educated engineer, and yes, very smart. Psychology is so underutilized by most coaches. The bright ones know how to "play" on almost anything. The others are left not knowing what just happened or how they mucked that up.
Guys....You may be underestimating Milpitas...I think we are going to see a pretty good game...The key to a Campo win is their defense, they are aggressive...Milpitas lost only two games, one to Antioch 47-22 due to Harris and the playoff game to the Bell's at 26-13...So it looks like speed and defense may be Milpitas' weak point...Campo 28-Milpitas 19....
 
Guys....You may be underestimating Milpitas...I think we are going to see a pretty good game...The key to a Campo win is their defense, they are aggressive...Milpitas lost only two games, one to Antioch 47-22 due to Harris and the playoff game to the Bell's at 26-13...So it looks like speed and defense may be Milpitas' weak point...Campo 28-Milpitas 19....

When I saw the match-up I thought Campo got a favorable draw. Campo reminds me of Bellarmine on the lines but more balanced on O. Milpitas will have problems with Campos team speed.
 
Coach Kevin Macy complaining that Campolindo with 1254 students faces Milpitas with 3100+ students. On the surface this seems like a mismatch but keep in mind that the kids that live in the Lafayette/Orinda area have the choice of three schools they can attend, Campolindo, Acalenes or Miramonte. Most of the best football players choose Campo and have the luxury of playing traditional D3 public school opponents. I venture to guess that the vast majority of Milpitas team is from a three or four mile radius of the school. With the exception of Strother, Milpitas has a big size advantage, but size isn't everything.

The combined enrollment at those three schools = 3827 as opposed to 3105 at Milpitas. Not that big of a difference.

Bubba, I'm guessing you don't know much about the Lamorinda community, especially as it relates to high school football. Campolindo gets zero football athletes from the city of Orinda. The football rivalry between Miramonte and Campolindo goes back to the 60's and school allegiance runs deep. Campolindo draws its students from Moraga and Lafayette, exclusively; from a population base of about 30,000 people. If you are looking to find a reason Campolindo has had a dominant run the last 5 years (64-5), look no further than the coaching staff Coach Macy has put together. The majority of his coaching staff has been together for over 20 years. They run a sophisticated offense that has more similarities with college offenses than what you see at the high school level. Coach Macy has been running a wildly successful local football camp in Moraga for over 15 years and similar to the De La Salle phenomenon, a higher percentage of Moraga and Lafayette boys are wanting to play tackle football for Coach Macy than what used to show up previously. His coaching style and personality endears him to not only his players, but to the community at large. He certainly downplays the success his team is enjoying, to a fault; but, he certainly squeezes more athletic ability from these well-to-do suburban teenagers than any program not named De La Salle.

Milpitas will certainly pose the toughest challenge for Campolindo to date. Milpitas, just like Napa and Bishop O'Dowd, will be bigger on the OL/DL than Campo, but that has been generally the rule more than the exception over the years. Coach Macy has been able to create 3 distinct teams with different strengths, over the past 5 years, and qualify them to the State Regionals and beyond, mainly because he and his coaching staff make better pre-game and in-game adjustments than his counterparts.

Campo has by far the lowest Freeman ranking of their 4 team state DIII-AA bracket and is likely a underdog to Milpitas, but I get the feeling Coach Macy wouldn't have it any other way.
 
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Bubba, I'm guessing you don't know much about the Lamorinda community, especially as it relates to high school football. Campolindo gets zero football athletes from the city of Orinda. The football rivalry between Miramonte and Campolindo goes back to the 60's and school allegiance runs deep. Campolindo draws its students from Moraga and Lafayette, exclusively; from a population base of about 30,000 people. If you are looking to find a reason Campolindo has had a dominant run the last 5 years (64-5), look no further than the coaching staff Coach Macy has put together. The majority of his coaching staff has been together for over 20 years. They run a sophisticated offense that has more similarities with college offenses than what you see at the high school level. Coach Macy has been running a wildly successful local football camp in Moraga for over 15 years and similar to the De La Salle phenomenon, a higher percentage of Moraga and Lafayette boys are wanting to play tackle football for Coach Macy than what used to show up previously. His coaching style and personality endears him to not only his players, but to the community at large. He certainly downplays the success his team is enjoying, to a fault; but, he certainly squeezes more athletic ability from these well-to-do suburban teenagers than any program not named De La Salle.

Milpitas will certainly pose the toughest challenge for Campolindo to date. Milpitas, just like Napa and Bishop O'Dowd, will be bigger on the OL/DL than Campo, but that has been generally the rule more than the exception over the years. Coach Macy has been able to create 3 distinct teams with different strengths, over the past 5 years, and qualify them to the State Regionals and beyond, mainly because he and his coaching staff make better pre-game and in-game adjustments than his counterparts.

Campo has by far the lowest Freeman ranking of their 4 team state DIII-AA bracket and is likely a underdog to Milpitas, but I get the feeling Coach Macy wouldn't have it any other way.

Actually I meant to say Moraga instead of Orinda. I got my info from a guy at work who's kids all went to Acalanes and that's where I heard kids in that area can go to any of those three schools. Is that not correct?
 
New territory for Milpitas, but Campo should win regardless of enrollment. Should go by competitive equity as it is. Macey is not complaining, he is just gaming up. He says the same to his players.
 
New territory for Milpitas, but Campo should win regardless of enrollment. Should go by competitive equity as it is. Macey is not complaining, he is just gaming up. He says the same to his players.

There's a reason teams like CVC and Campo seem to rarely have an off year. Sure, both are well coached but they also have a steady flow of more talented players than most of their competition.
 
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Lol, I know. They've been doing that shady stuff for years. Even before their football program, they did that with Soccer/Baseball and Basketball
 
Campo is full of smart kids that buy into Macy's program. This would not be the first time they took down a bigger team. If campo played Napa now I believe they would win. Campo lost a lot of good players from last year and it takes time to integrate the new ones.
 
Bubba, I'm guessing you don't know much about the Lamorinda community, especially as it relates to high school football. Campolindo gets zero football athletes from the city of Orinda. The football rivalry between Miramonte and Campolindo goes back to the 60's and school allegiance runs deep. Campolindo draws its students from Moraga and Lafayette, exclusively; from a population base of about 30,000 people. If you are looking to find a reason Campolindo has had a dominant run the last 5 years (64-5), look no further than the coaching staff Coach Macy has put together. The majority of his coaching staff has been together for over 20 years. They run a sophisticated offense that has more similarities with college offenses than what you see at the high school level. Coach Macy has been running a wildly successful local football camp in Moraga for over 15 years and similar to the De La Salle phenomenon, a higher percentage of Moraga and Lafayette boys are wanting to play tackle football for Coach Macy than what used to show up previously. His coaching style and personality endears him to not only his players, but to the community at large. He certainly downplays the success his team is enjoying, to a fault; but, he certainly squeezes more athletic ability from these well-to-do suburban teenagers than any program not named De La Salle. .

Good post Firestar. Think you pretty well describe what it takes to build a sustaining, successful program for any athletic sport in general and football in particular.
1) Coaching staff that's competent, stable, involved in a feeder program that coaches/educates young athletes in the HS offensive/defensive philosophy and are committed to the program.
2) Student athletes who buy into the program,trust & believe in their coaches, willing to do the hard work and sacrifice necessary to move to the next level and are committed to the program.
3) Parents who trust the coaching staff and philosophy, let the coaches do their job(can be challenge in that neck of the woods) and are committed to the program.

Build it and they will come.....

Finally, can't speak of football draws but I know from personal experiences of intra district transferring for opportunities of improved academic and other athletic (non-football) reasons with which I have no issue.

Good luck this weekend.
 
I'm not slamming on Campo's football program, coaching or kids commitment. I'm just saying the caliber of their play for a school with only 1254 kids is misleading. They play teams with similar enrollment that don't have the luxury of kids choosing between three schools to attend.
 
Confucius say: One may not be front runner if program he cheer never behind...

Gotta correct the culture at your school... it is slipping... used to be a bunch of very tough, hard working kids.... now kids are looking for greener pastures... something wrong... follow the Coach Macy, Coach Jones, Coach Murphy lead... it can be done... dont give up hope...
 
Campo should be competitive with Milpitas, and may even be favored. Macy knows this and is just posturing. It doesn't sound like him though.
 
Confucius say: One may not be front runner if program he cheer never behind...

Gotta correct the culture at your school... it is slipping... used to be a bunch of very tough, hard working kids.... now kids are looking for greener pastures... something wrong... follow the Coach Macy, Coach Jones, Coach Murphy lead... it can be done... dont give up hope...

It depends on what you are looking for. Cal still has a bunch of very tough, hard working kids. The latest QB who left for Foothill had an older brother that went to DLS, then transferred to Cal seeking greener pastures, and eventually got to start his senior year. Now the little brother starts off at Cal and then transfers to Foothill. If all you care about is having your kid be on a winner or be a starter, then transfer away. Some kids just want to play ball at their local high school with the kids they grew up with. Nothing wrong with that. It seems to be more the dads than the kids that are looking for greener pastures.
 
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It depends on what you are looking for. Cal still has a bunch of very tough, hard working kids. The latest QB who left for Foothill had an older brother that went to DLS, then transferred to Cal seeking greener pastures, and eventually got to start his senior year. Now the little brother starts off at Cal and then transfers to Foothill. If all you care about is having your kid be on a winner or be a starter, then transfer away. Some kids just want to play ball at their local high school with the kids they grew up with. Nothing wrong with that. It seems to be more the dads than the kids that are looking for greener pastures.

I dont dispute anything you state here.

My post was directed at dad(s) who whine, complain and play victim.
 
It depends on what you are looking for. Cal still has a bunch of very tough, hard working kids. The latest QB who left for Foothill had an older brother that went to DLS, then transferred to Cal seeking greener pastures, and eventually got to start his senior year. Now the little brother starts off at Cal and then transfers to Foothill. If all you care about is having your kid be on a winner or be a starter, then transfer away. Some kids just want to play ball at their local high school with the kids they grew up with. Nothing wrong with that. It seems to be more the dads than the kids that are looking for greener pastures.


Maybe dads with visions of scholarships dancing in their heads?
 
" he certainly squeezes more athletic ability from these well-to-do suburban teenagers than any program not named De La Salle."

Mostly true Firestar and overall, a nice post. When Sanchez came to Cal, they were EBAL bottom feeders for 20 years. It was not the Bears feeder program that all of sudden elevated. It was the Head Coach's leadership capabilities. Just like Macy does (the Stephens brothers were all baseball guys, but out-QB'd the competition,) he got guys who weren't necessarily 6'4" or playing FB since midgets, to be important cogs in the machine. His teams were built on many of the same foundations Firestar and Crete mention. If kids can't trust the coaches, the program stagnates, or heads south.

I was a college Bro of Macy. He's sharp as a tack, and was a stud LB in OAL.
 
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It depends on what you are looking for. Cal still has a bunch of very tough, hard working kids. The latest QB who left for Foothill had an older brother that went to DLS, then transferred to Cal seeking greener pastures, and eventually got to start his senior year. Now the little brother starts off at Cal and then transfers to Foothill. If all you care about is having your kid be on a winner or be a starter, then transfer away. Some kids just want to play ball at their local high school with the kids they grew up with. Nothing wrong with that. It seems to be more the dads than the kids that are looking for greener pastures.

observer22.......
Unlike Paul I will dispute part of what you post.

The older DLS brother swam and is still a close friend of my son. (No dispute)
The middle brother.....I'll take your word on that.
The little brother did start at Cal and then transferred to Foothill (No dispute) But don't make his transfer look like an effort to "be on a winner or be a starter". The move to Foothill was the result of a move to Pleasanton which was because of a serious change of personal, family dynamics (to put it politely) and was addressed on these boards at the beginning of the season.

Not saying that Foothill, Sweeney and the little brother didn't all benefit from the transfer but please don't put this particular situation as a another example of transfer happy parents shopping their son around to the greenest pasture.
 
observer22.......
Unlike Paul I will dispute part of what you post.

The older DLS brother swam and is still a close friend of my son. (No dispute)
The middle brother.....I'll take your word on that.
The little brother did start at Cal and then transferred to Foothill (No dispute) But don't make his transfer look like an effort to "be on a winner or be a starter". The move to Foothill was the result of a move to Pleasanton which was because of a serious change of personal, family dynamics (to put it politely) and was addressed on these boards at the beginning of the season.

Not saying that Foothill, Sweeney and the little brother didn't all benefit from the transfer but please don't put this particular situation as a another example of transfer happy parents shopping their son around to the greenest pasture.


I can't believe the run first offense ran at Cal High didn't have at least a little to do with the youngest brother's hopes of playing QB at the next level.
 
I can't believe the run first offense ran at Cal High didn't have at least a little to do with the youngest brother's hopes of playing QB at the next level.

......uh, maybe.
But look I think too many people drive crazy on freeways in the left lane and too few people know the purpose of a turn signal even if the instructions are taped to their foreheads when changing lanes but that's no reason to move to Iowa just because the drivers there do otherwise.
 
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Macy does great job at Campo, no question but Milpitas is different animal. They will be bigger and faster than anybody Campo has seen and I think Macy coaches it to keep it close but Milpitas wins.

Coaching is huge factor in high school. Good talent with subpar coaching will get you mediocrity, I think O'Dowd is experiencing this now. They had as good players as Campo but coaching won out in that game. Campo stays consistent, and only so much talent in Lamorinda area. Rarely is Acalanes, Miramonte AND Campo all very good. Last year it was Acalanes, this year Miramonte. I think that has a lot to do with Macy and his program.
 
I've said it before, if your parent is putting all their eggs in one recruiting basket, strange things happen= SRV/Mack fiasco. If a coach gains the trust of players, the stud athletes end up being MAJOR contributors to the program. Macy's Stephens brothers were all baseball players...and blew up their competition.
 
Macy does great job at Campo, no question but Milpitas is different animal. They will be bigger and faster than anybody Campo has seen and I think Macy coaches it to keep it close but Milpitas wins.

Coaching is huge factor in high school. Good talent with subpar coaching will get you mediocrity, I think O'Dowd is experiencing this now. They had as good players as Campo but coaching won out in that game. Campo stays consistent, and only so much talent in Lamorinda area. Rarely is Acalanes, Miramonte AND Campo all very good. Last year it was Acalanes, this year Miramonte. I think that has a lot to do with Macy and his program.


and many of the better players choosing to attend Campo.
 
"Culture" at a school is subjective. It can be what anybody "wants/wanted," if graduated, it to be. Who'll admit "I've been schmucked?"
The QB transfer thing is a double edged sword. "Come to my school and you'll get PT as a soph, and you're junior HUDL reel opens opportunities."
Cal's recording breaking QBs were single year starters back to back, K-12 in San Ramon, each with family predecessors under Sanchez . Followed by a Martinez transfer (dLS passed), started two years, good but average, recruiting circuit, no Jr offers, etc. Ca Va.
 
Macy does great job at Campo, no question but Milpitas is different animal. They will be bigger and faster than anybody Campo has seen and I think Macy coaches it to keep it close but Milpitas wins.

Coaching is huge factor in high school. Good talent with subpar coaching will get you mediocrity, I think O'Dowd is experiencing this now. They had as good players as Campo but coaching won out in that game. Campo stays consistent, and only so much talent in Lamorinda area. Rarely is Acalanes, Miramonte AND Campo all very good. Last year it was Acalanes, this year Miramonte. I think that has a lot to do with Macy and his program.

El Cerrito and their 6 D1 athletes were a different animal when they played Campolindo two seasons ago and Campo prevailed. Last season in the State Championship game, El Capitan was both bigger on the lines and more athletic in the skill positions than Campo and we all know how that turned out. This season, with almost complete turnover on both sides of the ball, save for Strother & McNeil on the line and Flowers at WR, Campolindo has continued on this improbable 5 year run. Discipline within the system is as best I can put it; it allows them to play on an even playing field against teams that are bigger, faster, and more athletic.

If Milpitas has the discipline to avoid costly penalties and can utilize their size advantage, they should win this game. If their coaching staff is anything but at the top of their game, Campo should have enough to win a close game.

One aspect of Campo's game that has been a huge advantage season is the play of kicker Matt Blair. Only 9 times in nearly 80 kickoffs this season has a kick been returned. He set a Campolindo record with a 46 yard FG and hit the crossbar with a 54 yard attempt a few weeks back.
 
observer22.......
Unlike Paul I will dispute part of what you post.

The older DLS brother swam and is still a close friend of my son. (No dispute)
The middle brother.....I'll take your word on that.
The little brother did start at Cal and then transferred to Foothill (No dispute) But don't make his transfer look like an effort to "be on a winner or be a starter". The move to Foothill was the result of a move to Pleasanton which was because of a serious change of personal, family dynamics (to put it politely) and was addressed on these boards at the beginning of the season.

Not saying that Foothill, Sweeney and the little brother didn't all benefit from the transfer but please don't put this particular situation as a another example of transfer happy parents shopping their son around to the greenest pasture.

Fair enough. I was responding to Paul saying that something was wrong as now kids are looking for greener pastures, and had assumed he was referring to the little brother since he was the latest and most visible transfer away from Cal. I do remember the posts earlier this year and I am aware of the family dynamics. Nothing like the whole SRV/Mack debacle.
 
Campo is full of smart kids that buy into Macy's program. This would not be the first time they took down a bigger team. If campo played Napa now I believe they would win. Campo lost a lot of good players from last year and it takes time to integrate the new ones.
I'm with tri-valley....the School population that a lot of schools have, doesn't make a lot of difference if there is no or just a little skill to work with...Its all about kids coming out and wanting to win, playing as a unit....there are some awful good teams out their that could be winners with the right leadership, a good coach has every thing to do with it....
 
Fair enough. I was responding to Paul saying that something was wrong as now kids are looking for greener pastures, and had assumed he was referring to the little brother since he was the latest and most visible transfer away from Cal. I do remember the posts earlier this year and I am aware of the family dynamics. Nothing like the whole SRV/Mack debacle.

Well ahlright........
No unscheduled truck load of quick set concrete delivered in your driveway early, tomorrow morning.

A while back I started calling the process of shopping your kid "Montana fishing" trips and I'm not referring to trout.
 
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