There has been talk of Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic participating in NCS Division 4 this year and not petitioning up as in years past. Does anyone know if that is the case. The NCS website still has both Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic in higher divisions.
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The NCS site states "Last Updated 8/17/15", and has both petitioned up to D3, so I would think that is current.
http://cifncs.org/sports/football/files/15FBDivisions.pdf
take this for what its worth....
I personally asked Cronin (CN) and Rosner (MC Line coach) at the MC/CN scrimmage what division each school was playing this year. And they BOTH told me they were going D4.
I personally asked Cronin (CN) and Rosner (MC Line coach) at the MC/CN scrimmage what division each school was playing this year. And they BOTH told me they were going D4.
I think you or someone else mentioned this earlier. This cant be correct. If so what's the purpose? These two schools are head a shoulders above any IV school.
If the end goal was to be challenged and win NCS they'd probably stay D3 but they got to be think more about NorCal and State bowl games
That make no sense to me especially with Newman having St Mary's (Powerhouse D1 program) and Clayton Valley Charter (powerhouse D2) on there preseason. Newman and MC have always done well in D3 and would still be near the top this year.
They should both stay in D3. Tough decisions and some ripple effects. Stay D 3 and compete for NCS title, which they both can do. Go D 4 and be almost bored until section finals or semi-finals. D 3 would not be nearly as competitive with both MC & Neman down. Between the two teams, they probably win D 4 for the next decade or until they are forced up. What would you do?
My understanding is that ALL Section champions receive bowl games this year. Both Cardinal Newman and Marin Catholic have a chance to win a D3 championship but the competition at D4 level in NCS gives them a better chance. St. Mary's Berkeley and Justin-Siena are the only legitimate contenders for the section championship if MC and Cardinal Newman play up.
Justin Siena and St. Mary's Berkeley can't compete with CN and MC in football. The D4 bracket would be a joke. Right now, the D4 bracket is competitive with teams like Justin, at Helena, St. Mary's, Fort Bragg, etc.
Week 1 will tell us a lot...Piedmont plays Justin and St Marys plays Moreau. Not sure I would throw Fort Bragg or St Helena in there, I think top 4 are Justin- Piedmont -St Marys- Moreau not necessarily in that order.
I heard Marin Cath and CN may be in D4, there natural division next year but this year have to play in d3.
I heard Marin Cath and CN may be in D4, there natural division next year but this year have to play in d3.
Fort Bragg won D4 5 years ago and has won class A (the old D4) four other times times. One would be a little ignorant to discount them, and St. Helena will be right there with them.
I agree SMB and JS can't compete with those two year in year out but they do sometimes have some tteamsthat can. If SMB decided to try recruiting in earnest they could bring in enough talent to change that. They are basically content with their usual level of success
"Ignorant" is a a little harsh given kids 5 years ago have graduated college. In more recent history...last season... they got waxed in 1st round by Moreau at home. So forgive my ignorance for factual information!!
In reality, Fort Bragg and St. Helena should not be in this conversation. If Marin Catholic and Cardinal Newman play Division 4 they will be the #1 and #2 seeds. Justin-Siena will be #3 and St. Mary's will be #4. Justin-Siena and St. Mary's do not have the numbers to stack up to MC and Newman. Both teams have very good speciality players this year but that most likely will not be enough.
Newman 62
del Norte 19
Don't get this one. Newman has a huge game now against a very talented Clayton Valley. Not sure Newman has the size to deal with the eagles.
del Norte 19
Don't get this one. Newman has a huge game now against a very talented Clayton Valley. Not sure Newman has the size to deal with the eagles.
I don't think Newman has a chance against what I saw with CVC vs. Folsom. CVC has a MASSIVE 50 plus man roster. Nobody goes both ways.
CVC is very physical. They are going to ground and pound with a gimmick offense. The only negative is they have zero passing AND kicking game. I see CVC man handling Newman in this one. I predict a CVC double digit win.
The competition in the North Bay is just not up to par for what you see in the East Bay or SJS. Huge difference.
CVC is very physical. They are going to ground and pound with a gimmick offense. The only negative is they have zero passing AND kicking game. I see CVC man handling Newman in this one. I predict a CVC double digit win.
The competition in the North Bay is just not up to par for what you see in the East Bay or SJS. Huge difference.
Hmmmm. I don't think anyone in the North Bay is expecting CN to beat CV except for a small contingency from CN. Being that the top teams in the North Bay are Marin Catholic, Cardinal Newman, Rancho Cotate, and Analy are all D3 teams, and Folsom and CVC ire D1 type teams, they probably shouldn't be expected to beat the top D1/D2 teams in the SJS/ East Bay. However, year in and year out the North Bay has some of the best D3 teams in Nor Cal. There is only one school in the North Bay that has over 2000 students (Santa Rosa High). The only reason it does is due to their"art quest program" which draws in over 900 "artsy" students that don't even play sports for the most part. The reality of it is they should probably be D3 too. We have a few good D2 schools, but Montgomery has been down other than one year since 2006, Windsor went 15-0 a few years back winning the NCS and Casa can be tough, but again our top programs of late have been in D3 and are extremely competitive in that division.
The reason there are not 2,000 plus kids enrollment at schools in that area is because there are a ton of high schools there. Enrollment has dropped sharply in many of them. I can think of two off the top of my head (not top programs) that went from 1,500 to 800 in a short period.
The competition out there just isn't that good. Period. No need to take offense.
The competition out there just isn't that good. Period. No need to take offense.
Wasn't taking offense. Just telling it like it is. We are a D3 - D5 region for the most part and we compete well in those divisions. I don't know any Schools that have dropped from 1500 to 800 other than Healdsburg and that was due to the opening of Windsor a few years back. Santa Rosa High has been the only school with 2000 kids for over 10 years, but again 900+ are in the art quest program. If you don't think the teams I listed above aren't good D3 teams then I think you are mistaken, but it doesn't really matter anyways. I agree the East Bay and SJS have the best D1/D2 programs in NorCal. One would be an idiot not to think that. I think we are splitting hairs.
Keep in mind that Newman wasn't that great last year by there standards. I think it was the first time in awhile they didn't win 10+ games. They had a young team with many returners this year. They played CVC who lost in the state championship tough for nearly 3 qtrs. It was tied at halftime. Nobody expects Newman to win this game. They will have a hard time with CVC size. Lets be real too CVC is like a D1 private school now as a charter. But Newman will compete and if Cronin had some of the talent that these other schools had it would be scary. Rancho is a legit program too. They have one of the best wide receivers in Norcal period. Kid has a full ride to Louisville. Both these team more than hold there own against anybody given relative size. Brookshire from Newman will get plenty of D1 offers soon as well.
G61 is right though. Too many schools now in Santa Rosa. Dilutes talent down big time and unlike Elk Grove which is mainly young families SR is getting older not younger.
G61 is right though. Too many schools now in Santa Rosa. Dilutes talent down big time and unlike Elk Grove which is mainly young families SR is getting older not younger.
I didn't say you were stupid, just that your thought on this is a little ignorant. Probably ignorant to the fact that Fort Bragg returns a starting QB that passed for over 3,000 yards last year. Also, Fort Bragg has an excellent coaching staff that knows how to win, but at a true small school (not a private) you only can play with the kids that are in that town so some years you have the "jimmy's and joe's" and some years you don't. If they have the kids this year, they will be in it. Same goes to St Helena. After last night it looks like JS and SM-B have some work to do before anointing themselves as the top two teams in D4. So again, I think to discount them is a little ignorant, JMO.
3yards,
Yes, Elsie Allen and Piner lost nearly half of their enrollment in a short time span. Demographic shifts it looks like.
I agree we are splitting hairs. Just wanted to point out the competition. Either way, I still come out to watch some good football!
Yes, Elsie Allen and Piner lost nearly half of their enrollment in a short time span. Demographic shifts it looks like.
I agree we are splitting hairs. Just wanted to point out the competition. Either way, I still come out to watch some good football!
This guy already at it. Newman was right there with CVC last season for the first half. CVC's star running back was benched for the first half. CVC puts in their RB in the 2nd half and pull away. Thing is CVC couldn't stop Newman's QB last season when he was a soph. Now the kid is a Junior and he's bigger, faster, and stronger. We shall see. Newman has to worry about St Marys (Stockton) first.
Piner's enrollment dropped when Ellsie Allen opened since they are both on the west side of town. Piner's was never good at football anyways except for a few years here and there besides when Cronin played there way back when. Opening Carrillo and Elsie really hurt Monty the most. They were a D2 power in the late 90's early 2000's and were able to hold on to till 2006 or so. Santa Rosa and RP are growing again so maybe the North Bay will be better in D2 down the road, but for now, it's all about the D3 teams in this region
I don't know where you are getting your information. Piner lost half of its enrollment over 10 years after Elsie opened. That had nothing to do with it. The area got too expensive and many young families moved.
As for growing- yes, but not in the demographic of young families that produce future high schoolers. Enrollment will continue to drop in the area, as it has in the last 10 years.
As for growing- yes, but not in the demographic of young families that produce future high schoolers. Enrollment will continue to drop in the area, as it has in the last 10 years.
Folsom has a lot of work to do. Not the same team as prior years. They lost 19 starters I think. I would say after week #1 Grant, DO, and Granite Bay seemed to have impressed a lot of folks.
I'm not sure where you get your info from. Piner has 1140 students. After Elsie had their first senior class Piner had around 1500 students, so I'm not sure how going from 1500 to 1140 is half. Piner had a low in the low 900's for two years, but again that is not half. Who cares anyways. I have info regarding local schools because I lead a local volunteer effort reaching schools in Sonoma County so I'm well aware of enrollment figures, but again it doesn't matter anyways.
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