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NorCals: A different lens

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So let's look at the brackets by how each section did, as opposed to conspiracy theories, and see if there's a pattern that might reflect how persuasive each section commissioner was in the meeting.

CCS: Looks pretty good here. Presentation and Eastside, both of which by MaxPreps' rankings could have been Open, drop to D1. Eastside, which lost to an NCS team seeded below it, by 28, is seeded second. Valley Christian, a team with record below .500, gets seeded third in D2. Woodside Priory, which could have been a D3 team since many of its losses occurred before its top-shelf point guard played, wound up as the top seed in D4 and 14-12 Notre Dame of Belmont was the second seed. (The CCS rep must have gotten a little tired after that, because not much in D5 and D6, but all in all, a good day's work.)

Northern: Pleasant Valley, by all rights a middle seed in D1, winds up as the top seed in D2. (And note the D2 championship game is played at a host site, so if form holds, Pleasant Valley is playing at home in front of a screaming crowd against a team that had to drive several hours to get there.) And the top two seeds in D6 are from the Northern Section.

San Francisco: Not good work here, as the best team in San Francisco gets to drive four hours to play a Central Section team. Really?

Oakland: So Oakland Tech, which lost to KIPP King, gets kicked to D4, and KIPP King drops to D5. Reverse those, and Tech has a chance to do very well.

NCS: So NCS has one No. 1 seed, in D5. It has two No. 2 seeds, Eureka in D2, and Clear Lake in D5. Its four Open teams were seeded 5-8. Its top two D1 teams were seeded third and fourth, one of them behind a team it beat by 28. Though NCS isn't necessarily the power it once was, it does seem that the seeding tilted against its teams rather than, as was the case with CCS and Northern, for them. (And again, Miramonte is not complaining about its bracket placement -- it's more about the logic involved, or persuasion.)

SJS: Seems neutral, though things didn't jump out at me as they did with some other sections.

So if you're looking for a conspiracy, I think looking at section results might deliver more evidence. Perhaps the Northern and CCS folks got together beforehand, worked something out with commissioners from the south, did what they needed to do with the CIF reps, and got their way.

Or they were just better talkers ...
 
So let's look at the brackets by how each section did, as opposed to conspiracy theories, and see if there's a pattern that might reflect how persuasive each section commissioner was in the meeting.

CCS: Looks pretty good here. Presentation and Eastside, both of which by MaxPreps' rankings could have been Open, drop to D1.

It's funny how different this is than the NCAA football or basketball playoffs, where everyone is looking for a spot in the final 4, and teams don't want to be banished to a regular bowl game or the NIT.

So the commissioners are rated by how many teams they can get put into lower division brackets for easier games? More trophies I guess, but they should all be on the same page in terms of getting a realistic 1-88 ranking of teams throughout NorCal if the system is going to work correctly. Seems commissioners trying to work the system is what has everyone up in arms. And maybe coaches getting into the ears of the commissioners prior to the meetings too.
 
So let's look at the brackets by how each section did, as opposed to conspiracy theories, and see if there's a pattern that might reflect how persuasive each section commissioner was in the meeting.

CCS: Looks pretty good here. Presentation and Eastside, both of which by MaxPreps' rankings could have been Open, drop to D1. Eastside, which lost to an NCS team seeded below it, by 28, is seeded second. Valley Christian, a team with record below .500, gets seeded third in D2. Woodside Priory, which could have been a D3 team since many of its losses occurred before its top-shelf point guard played, wound up as the top seed in D4 and 14-12 Notre Dame of Belmont was the second seed. (The CCS rep must have gotten a little tired after that, because not much in D5 and D6, but all in all, a good day's work.)

Northern: Pleasant Valley, by all rights a middle seed in D1, winds up as the top seed in D2. (And note the D2 championship game is played at a host site, so if form holds, Pleasant Valley is playing at home in front of a screaming crowd against a team that had to drive several hours to get there.) And the top two seeds in D6 are from the Northern Section.

San Francisco: Not good work here, as the best team in San Francisco gets to drive four hours to play a Central Section team. Really?

Oakland: So Oakland Tech, which lost to KIPP King, gets kicked to D4, and KIPP King drops to D5. Reverse those, and Tech has a chance to do very well.

NCS: So NCS has one No. 1 seed, in D5. It has two No. 2 seeds, Eureka in D2, and Clear Lake in D5. Its four Open teams were seeded 5-8. Its top two D1 teams were seeded third and fourth, one of them behind a team it beat by 28. Though NCS isn't necessarily the power it once was, it does seem that the seeding tilted against its teams rather than, as was the case with CCS and Northern, for them. (And again, Miramonte is not complaining about its bracket placement -- it's more about the logic involved, or persuasion.)

SJS: Seems neutral, though things didn't jump out at me as they did with some other sections.

So if you're looking for a conspiracy, I think looking at section results might deliver more evidence. Perhaps the Northern and CCS folks got together beforehand, worked something out with commissioners from the south, did what they needed to do with the CIF reps, and got their way.


SJS: there is no way that Vanden is not an at large team over Granit Bay. The problem in the SJS is if you play a tough preseason and loss you get penalized. I'm sure if Vanden had played a softer schedule they would have been given a higher seed and then not have to go to Whitney in round 2. West Campus should at the lease be in D1 if not the open.
 
SJS: there is no way that Vanden is not an at large team over Granit Bay. The problem in the SJS is if you play a tough preseason and loss you get penalized. I'm sure if Vanden had played a softer schedule they would have been given a higher seed and then not have to go to Whitney in round 2. West Campus should at the lease be in D1 if not the open.
 
Azanna-

I agree with that statement about schedules. As long as your in a tough league and your a Average team it seems like you can get a higher seed.
Alot of teams Loaded their schedules up and played hard preseason games but then got to league and it wasnt so hard and got Penalized greatly for it.
 
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The major problem with the current system is that teams are not ranked by the sections.

Teams should be ranked by the sections and then for norcals, they can take the top 4 teams from each group. The enrollment should not be a factor at all.

Their should be 3 groups. top 36 from sectionals make norcals. It is hard to look at a lot of the records of the division 3, 4, 5 teams and believe they have earned an opportunity to win a state title.
 
Each section does submit its list of teams in ranked order ... the committee then makes the final list.
 
and not only that, the maxpreps rankings have flaws. SOS formulas for teams that play in weaker leagues often hurt their rankings/seedings.
 
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