Starters vs second string

[Jfoyosoul]

With Folsom’s game coming up against Grant...I thought of a unique scenario....and this goes for any team where the favored team is so superior on every level, that the game feels like it shouldn’t be played...

would it be disingenuous for Folsom or any similar team to not even play their starters (or just q1) out of respect for the other team if the gap is that big or should the team play their starters to the end of the first half and then play second string?

i have a lot of respect for grant and their old coach A...and it is very sad to see the team tumble to where it has...but if folsom plays their starters to end of q2...i expect it to be more than a shellacking than even the 40 - 0 halftime lead vs OR was. Is that really fair to Grant? Imagine DLS playing Dublin (do they have a team) or playing Nevada Union.

 

[THEOC89]

With Folsom’s game coming up against Grant...I thought of a unique scenario....and this goes for any team where the favored team is so superior on every level, that the game feels like it shouldn’t be played...

would it be disingenuous for Folsom or any similar team to not even play their starters (or just q1) out of respect for the other team if the gap is that big or should the team play their starters to the end of the first half and then play second string?

i have a lot of respect for grant and their old coach A...and it is very sad to see the team tumble to where it has...but if folsom plays their starters to end of q2...i expect it to be more than a shellacking than even the 40 - 0 halftime lead vs OR was. Is that really fair to Grant? Imagine DLS playing Dublin (do they have a team) or playing Nevada Union.

This Doesn’t Make Any Sense…. Football is about Competition… Just Look at how SF Broke DLS’s Streak…. They came to compete….

 

[Jfoyosoul]

This Doesn’t Make Any Sense…. Football is about Competition… Just Look at how SF Broke DLS’s Streak…. They came to competemy ques

This Doesn’t Make Any Sense…. Football is about Competition… Just Look at how SF Broke DLS’s Streak…. They came to compete….

That does make sense...it is simply a curious question to get people’s opinion...how should a team handle a situation where the level of talent is this gaping? I think it would be good for a team such as folsom to play grant with starters even if for just a half, i just worry about the game after q1

and sf vs dls is not the same as folsom vs grant simply because i think unfortunately grant has been struggling for some time..

btw..i dont know what your issue is with my posts but rather than just going immediately to ridiculing it ...maybe you should actually take some time ponder my comments or questions and respond with considerate commentary...i simply asked how a team should handle this situation...it is a good question...grant will certainly give it their all and hopefully challenge folsom for more than a quarter and i have upmost respect for them and their old coach but i am just posing a question

i would ask for now on that unless you are willing to take a step back and actually appreciate people’s post (not just mine) and understand people have their own options and observations than just dont respond..

 

[THEOC89]

btw..i dont know what your issue is with my posts but rather than just going immediately to ridiculing it ...

Your Posts are Not Good… You just regurgitate the same points that @pastyfastquick3 try’s to make you just do it in a long winded, passive-aggressive manner.., And then you pretend you are not @pastyfastquick3….. 🤣

“Folsom Should Play Their Second String For a quarter vs Grant”… Come On Dude, you can do better then That….🤣🤣

 

[mrbig864]

it is a good question...

i would ask for now on that unless you are willing to take a step back and actually appreciate people’s post (not just mine) and understand people have their own options and observations than just dont respond..

Actually it’s NOT ‘a good question‘. I’m pretty much onboard with @THEOC89 on this one.

You realize that a large number of teams (not just your beloved Bulldogs) have to deal with these decisions every week? Do you also know there are teams other than Folsom to try to start a conversation about?

The coaches can handle whom to play and for how long, they’ve been doing it for years.

 

[Streak One]

I think playing the starters for a half is a good line for most games. Players need reps and film.

For Grant, I think the arrow is pointing up for the program.

 

[Norcalnut]

Your Posts are Not Good… You just regurgitate the same points that @pastyfastquick3 try’s to make you just do it in a long winded, passive-aggressive manner.., And then you pretend you are not @pastyfastquick3….. 🤣

“Folsom Should Play Their Second String For a quarter vs Grant”… Come On Dude, you can do better then That….🤣🤣

It hilarious that the question was even asked. Folsom has been piling it on with first stringers for years, do you think Jake Browning set all those records by coaches letting up at halftime. When your starting QB is throwing touchdown passes up by 4 to 5 tds in late 4th quarter It becomes a punk move just to pad stats.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

It hilarious that the question was even asked. Folsom has been piling it on with first stringers for years, do you think Jake Browning set all those records by coaches letting up at halftime. When your starting QB is throwing touchdown passes up by 4 to 5 tds in late 4th quarter It becomes a punk move just to pad stats.

Imagine his stats if he actually played in 90 percent of 4th quarters? Imagine what his stats would he, if in the games he played into the 4th quarter, he wasn't handing it off every play.

Done forget Dano Graves. Gatorade national player of the year from little old 2010 Folsom.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

With Folsom’s game coming up against Grant...I thought of a unique scenario....and this goes for any team where the favored team is so superior on every level, that the game feels like it shouldn’t be played...

would it be disingenuous for Folsom or any similar team to not even play their starters (or just q1) out of respect for the other team if the gap is that big or should the team play their starters to the end of the first half and then play second string?

i have a lot of respect for grant and their old coach A...and it is very sad to see the team tumble to where it has...but if folsom plays their starters to end of q2...i expect it to be more than a shellacking than even the 40 - 0 halftime lead vs OR was. Is that really fair to Grant? Imagine DLS playing Dublin (do they have a team) or playing Nevada Union.

Folsom starters likely won't be in midway through the 3rd. Maybe even halftime in this one.

On another note- Grant situation does make me sad. The Sacramento area is better when Grant is good. Unfortunately I don't think it ever changes. The shift in demographics all over NorCal has changed some areas and programs forever.

 

[larry legend33]

I think playing the starters for a half is a good line for most games. Players need reps and film.

For Grant, I think the arrow is pointing up for the program.

As for playing time, starters should play 1/2 and first series of 2nd half in a blowout game. Then let next group take reps remaining of game.

I might be in minority but I don’t see grant ever returning to what they were. I see a football team that will maybe be 2-8 or 3-7 this year. It could get to the point where the SFL doesn’t want them. Correct me if I’m wrong but onterrio smith kid is on Folsom team. Maybe the best player I’ve seen in Hs doesn’t send his kid to the same school he shined at? Why would you go to grant when all these other options exist? Sorry…. Times have changed. I’m not happy about it but I’m realistic.

 

[THEOC89]

It hilarious that the question was even asked. Folsom has been piling it on with first stringers for years, do you think Jake Browning set all those records by coaches letting up at halftime. When your starting QB is throwing touchdown passes up by 4 to 5 tds in late 4th quarter It becomes a punk move just to pad stats.

You Mean Like Being Ahead 60-7 in the 4th Quarter and Your Starters are still in the Game Throwing TD Passes?…. 🤣

Or How about Being Up By 31 points with a Minute left and Punching in a TD From the 1 yard line instead of Taking a Knee or Kicking a FG?…. 🤣🤣

Richardson is a Coward…. Had no problem running up the score and embarrassing overmatched HS kids and created the Folsom Rule because he was afraid of DLS…..

 

[pastyfastquick3]

You Mean Like Being Ahead 60-7 in the 4th Quarter and Your Starters are still in the Game Throwing TD Passes

Post the link. It should be easy. All games are online.

Richardson wasn't afraid of anyone. Imagine if DLS had to play Folsom with school boundaries like everyone else. Under those rules, 99 percent of DLS kids wouldn't even be eligible, to include all that Sacramento kids they got over the years.

If you're going to spread lies, post the link. Otherwise the true coward is painfully obvious.

 

[Streak One]

As for playing time, starters should play 1/2 and first series of 2nd half in a blowout game. Then let next group take reps remaining of game.

I might be in minority but I don’t see grant ever returning to what they were. I see a football team that will maybe be 2-8 or 3-7 this year. It could get to the point where the SFL doesn’t want them. Correct me if I’m wrong but onterrio smith kid is on Folsom team. Maybe the best player I’ve seen in Hs doesn’t send his kid to the same school he shined at? Why would you go to grant when all these other options exist? Sorry…. Times have changed. I’m not happy about it but I’m realistic.

I agree that Grant won't get back to where they were at, but I do think they can come back to being a Top 10 type team in the Sacramento area. It is just going to take a couple of years

 

[THEOC89]

Post the link. It should be easy. All games are online.

Richardson wasn't afraid of anyone. Imagine if DLS had to play Folsom with school boundaries like everyone else. Under those rules, 99 percent of DLS kids wouldn't even be eligible, to include all that Sacramento kids they got over the years.

If you're going to spread lies, post the link. Otherwise the true coward is painfully obvious.

Post the Link to What?…. The Folsom Oceanside game in 2014?…. The Folsom vs Central Game in 2018?…. Everyone saw those games and it was discussed multiple times on this Board…. If you need to go back and re watch them, be my guest….

Richardson was Terrified of DLS…. He created the Folsom rule and ducked them for years and his Folsom teams never scheduled any of the Top Teams in CA…. His record of scheduling speaks for itself….

 

[larry legend33]

I agree that Grant won't get back to where they were at, but I do think they can come back to being a Top 10 type team in the Sacramento area. It is just going to take a couple of years

I hope so streak. It’s good for the local football scene.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Post the Link to What?…. The Folsom Oceanside game in 2014?…. The Folsom vs Central Game in 2018?…. Everyone saw those games and it was discussed multiple times on this Board…. If you need to go back and re watch them, be my guest….

Richardson was Terrified of DLS…. He created the Folsom rule and ducked them for years and his Folsom teams never scheduled any of the Top Teams in CA…. His record of scheduling speaks for itself….

Post the link to Browning being up 60-7 and throwing TDs. You said it. It's your chance to show everyone. Easy link. Start the video at the time where he is doing this. Show us all.

No one is afraid of teams that lose to St Francis and struggle with St Mary's.

 

[THEOC89]

Post the link to Browning being up 60-7 and throwing TDs. You said it. It's your chance to show everyone. Easy link. Start the video at the time where he is doing this. Show us all.

No one is afraid of teams that lose to St Francis and struggle with St Mary's.

Enjoy!… 🤣

Oceanside season ends with a thud

Folsom clinches Division I state title in a game that concludes with a running clock

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

“Browning Got The Record on a Bubble Screen with 3:42 Left To Play”…..

Again…. Browning in the Game, up 55-7 Chasing a Meaningless Record, throwing passes to run up the score….

 

[NCS707]

Post the link to Browning being up 60-7 and throwing TDs. You said it. It's your chance to show everyone. Easy link. Start the video at the time where he is doing this. Show us all.

No one is afraid of teams that lose to St Francis and struggle with St Mary's.

I am no DLS homer but I really do not want to see this Folsom Fan posting about how much DLS sucks until they play Folsom. I wonder what excuse you will come up with when DLS pounds the football down Folsom's throat...

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Enjoy!… 🤣

Oceanside season ends with a thud

Folsom clinches Division I state title in a game that concludes with a running clock

www.sandiegouniontribune.com

“Browning Got The Record on a Bubble Screen with 3:42 Left To Play”…..

Again…. Browning in the Game, up 55-7 Chasing a Meaningless Record, throwing passes to run up the score….

LMFAOOOO wait a minute. You said he was up 60-7 and throwing it, implying for records.

Best you can do is a zero yard bubble screen that went the distance because Oceanside was so overmatched!? LMFAOOOO.

Now if it was a 70 yard bomb pass- got it.

But you are disingenuous as usual trying to push an agenda because you are still on suicide watch from the St Francis game.

We may have to send Streak to check on you after Folsom rolls DLS.

 

[Norcalnut]

I am no DLS homer but I really do not want to see this Folsom Fan posting about how much DLS sucks until they play Folsom. I wonder what excuse you will come up with when DLS pounds the football down Folsom's throat...

He’ll just repeat the same tired BS again “The refs suck” “Folsom really won the game because_____________” “We got dirt in our eyes” “We’re not 0-5 because we won in 2014”. DLS owns Folsom and he can’t stand it, that’s why he brings up as much bullshit as possible to deflect from that reality. Your 0-4 Block, and that losing record ain’t gonna change anytime soon. DLS’s records and accomplishments has and will be talk about and discussed at the national level for years to come and so far Folsom is just a footnote in that discussion. So keep it up Block you doing fine👍

 

[THEOC89]

LMFAOOOO wait a minute. You said he was up 60-7 and throwing it, implying for records.

Best you can do is a zero yard bubble screen that went the distance because Oceanside was so overmatched!? LMFAOOOO.

Now if it was a 70 yard bomb pass- got it.

But you are disingenuous as usual trying to push an agenda because you are still on suicide watch from the St Francis game.

We may have to send Streak to check on you after Folsom rolls DLS.

Starters were in the Game with 3:47 left up 55-7…. Starting QB threw a pass to get a TD Record….

If Folsom didn’t care about the Record the Second String QB would have been Handing off to The Second String RB….

Winning!!!…. 🤣🤣

 

[Humbab]

Imagine his stats if he actually played in 90 percent of 4th quarters? Imagine what his stats would he, if in the games he played into the 4th quarter, he wasn't handing it off every play.

Done forget Dano Graves. Gatorade national player of the year from little old 2010 Folsom.

The only thing I try to imagine is what his stats would be if he played even a decent schedule.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Starters were in the Game with 3:47 left up 55-7…. Starting QB threw a pass to get a TD Record….

If Folsom didn’t care about the Record the Second String QB would have been Handing off to The Second String RB….

Winning!!!…. 🤣🤣

I don't know where you studied the game, but most offensive coordinators don't call bubble screens from the opposing 35 or so yard line to go for any passing records.

What a failure.

You're still sour that Oceanside sucked so bad lol

 

[pastyfastquick3]

The only thing I try to imagine is what his stats would be if he played even a decent schedule.

His schedule was better than 90 percent of all HSs in CA.

He also set records at Washington in the P12.

You can't be serious.

 

[Jfoyosoul]

Your Posts are Not Good… You just regurgitate the same points that @pastyfastquick3 try’s to make you just do it in a long winded, passive-aggressive manner.., And then you pretend you are not @pastyfastquick3….. 🤣

“Folsom Should Play Their Second String For a quarter vs Grant”… Come On Dude, you can do better then That….🤣🤣

Im starting to get really miffed with you and your comments.....first im not pastyquick...ive been posting as myself since i started a few years ago...second if you actually stepped back and take off your anti folsom maybe you would actually ponder what i say with a good open mind...my comments always have context and I simply ask for opinions, insights, etc. ..i dont judge or bad mouth anyone or any team, unlike you....stop demeaning me or anyone else...it is enough already

 

[WWHS44]

That is why there is a running clock.....to help stop teams from running it up.

 

[Humbab]

His schedule was better than 90 percent of all HSs in CA.

He also set records at Washington in the P12.

You can't be serious.

Every time you post I say to myself he can’t be serious.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

Every time you post I say to myself he can’t be serious.

The SFL is the top 1-3 leagues in the entire state every year, to include 2014.

Is it not?

 

[Rocknrolus 95361]

Just this man's opinion. Teams run up the score for RANKINGS! If you don't run up the score your ranking drops. If you have your starters in with a running clock in the 4th quarter? Well I have my OPINION!

 

[mrbig864]

Starters were in the Game with 3:47 left up 55-7…. Starting QB threw a pass to get a TD Record….

If Folsom didn’t care about the Record the Second String QB would have been Handing off to The Second String RB….

Winning!!!…. 🤣🤣

@pastyfastquick3

THEOC’s post is spot on. Your obvious response is laughable, as usual.

I don’t understand why you are so disingenuous with your responses? While perhaps Browning wasn’t going for a record (although to most of us with brains, it sure appears he was), I guess the real question is if he wasn’t going after the record, why was a star-scholarship quarterback doing still in the game, besides risking injury? And bubble screen or not, the starting QB WAS still in the game and he WAS passing the ball, not handing the ball off which most classy programs would do. To be honest, after the game Richardson should have simply said…”Jakes been our guy for 3 years, and he had a chance for a record, so ”yeah, we left him in so he could try to get it.“. People would’ve probably respected that

 

[concrete17]

Every time you post I say to myself he can’t be serious.

Here he is in an earlier life as Tommy Flanagan...........

 

[MTsince2004]

His schedule was better than 90 percent of all HSs in CA.

He also set records at Washington in the P12.

You can't be serious.

It is possible that Folsom's schedule was tougher than 90% of high schools in California in 2014. In relation to top teams, Folsom's schedule rating was in the bottom half of the top 50 schools in California. It was the easiest of the top 10 teams.

http://calpreps.com/2014/ratings/California_all.htm

 

[pastyfastquick3]

@pastyfastquick3

why are you so disingenuous with your responses? While perhaps Browning wasn’t going for a record (although to most of us with brains, it sure appears he was), I guess the real question is if he wasn’t going after the record, why was in still in the game at all, up 40-50 points, with less than 4 minutes on the clock? And bubble screen or not, he WAS in the game and he WAS passing the ball, not handing the ball off which most classy programs would do. To be honest, I think Richardson should have simply said…”Jakes been our guy for 3 years, and he had a chance for a record, and we all decided to help him get it.“

If you wanted a record and were 60 plus yards away, why would you throw a bubble screen? Folsom offensive weapons were slaughtering Oceanside all night. Wouldn't he just throw a bomb and be done with it.

You guys push the same narrative because you have an agenda. If the game was close, you would all scream "overrated I called it!" When they blow out, its, "what a classless program." Total joke man.

NOBODY knows an offensive coordinator ANYWHERE that is trying to set records with 60 yard plus bubble screens. Especially with that 2014 Folsom team.

If anyone is being disingenuous, it is a handful of posters on here. Heck, @THEOC89 is still on suicide watch over a stupid high school football game. Let that sink in.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

It is possible that Folsom's schedule was tougher than 90% of high schools in California in 2014. In relation to top teams, Folsom's schedule rating was in the bottom half of the top 50 schools in California. It was the easiest of the top 10 teams.

http://calpreps.com/2014/ratings/California_all.htm

Fun fact in 2014:

The Sierra Foothill League was #3 in the entire state of Ca, and #19 in the nation.

They also beat Cathedral Catholic on the road in San Diego that year on the road to the 1AA title.

I think you would agree that Monterrey Trail would KILL for a resume like this just for one season. Agreed?

 

[mrbig864]

If you wanted a record and were 60 plus yards away, why would you throw a bubble screen?

A: Because the bubble screen worked.

answer this question

”If they weren’t going for the record, why would a scholarship QB risk injury and even be in the game with 4 minutes to play?”

 

[pastyfastquick3]

A: Because the bubble screen worked.

answer this question

”If they weren’t going for the record, why would a scholarship QB risk injury and even be in the game with 4 minutes to play?”

AH, so you're saying only the smart OCs know they have 1 play to set a record and call a 60 plus yard bubble screen? Seems obvious to me!

Why wouldn't he be in? To hand off the ball and maybe toss a bubble screen? Oceanside wasn't a threat to injure him. They couldn't tackle a 70 year old janitor.

 

[Norcalnut]

Fun fact in 2014:

The Sierra Foothill League was #3 in the entire state of Ca, and #19 in the nation.

They also beat Cathedral Catholic on the road in San Diego that year on the road to the 1AA title.

I think you would agree that Monterrey Trail would KILL for a resume like this just for one season. Agreed?

DLS 12 MNC, Folsom has never even finished #1 in NorCal.

I think you would agree that Folsom would KILL! To have 1/10 of the resume of DLS. Agreed!

 

[MTsince2004]

Fun fact in 2014:

The Sierra Foothill League was #3 in the entire state of Ca, and #19 in the nation.

They also beat Cathedral Catholic on the road in San Diego that year on the road to the 1AA title.

I think you would agree that Monterrey Trail would KILL for a resume like this just for one season. Agreed?

You made a claim that was factually specious and very easy to check. Folsom's schedule was not particularly difficult in 2014. The fact that the 1st (Grant), 4th (Franklin) and 5th (MT) place teams in the Delta played Folsom about as tough as any of the teams in the SFL seems to suggest that the SFL and the Delta were of similar stature except for Folsom itself. I do believe that 2014 was Folsom's best team, however. I thought it was better than the 2018 team and light years ahead of 2019.

As for the last line of your post, I think you are simply changing the subject. Whether or not Monterey Trail has had as much success as Folsom is a factual certainty--MTHS has not. I'm not sure why you brought that up. It's not relevant to the point you were making.

 

[mrbig864]

I'm not sure why you brought that up. It's not relevant to the point you were making.

If you are searching for ‘relevant’ points you may want to steer clear of anything pasty writes. He gets his kicks off stirring the pot. Most on here have him on ignore so only a few posters even bother to continue with the back n forth. Sad to say occasionally I get caught up in his musings and respond. Shortly thereafter I‘ll find myself questioning my own sanity when he rips off another of his Blue & Red blind loyalty diatribes that make me realize the waste of time I spent by continuing to engage.

Reality is, when one has had a half dozen different screen names like he has, it becomes pretty obvious that sincerity isn’t his strong suit.

 

[pastyfastquick3]

You made a claim that was factually specious and very easy to check. Folsom's schedule was not particularly difficult in 2014. The fact that the 1st (Grant), 4th (Franklin) and 5th (MT) place teams in the Delta played Folsom about as tough as any of the teams in the SFL seems to suggest that the SFL and the Delta were of similar stature except for Folsom itself. I do believe that 2014 was Folsom's best team, however. I thought it was better than the 2018 team and light years ahead of 2019.

As for the last line of your post, I think you are simply changing the subject. Whether or not Monterey Trail has had as much success as Folsom is a factual certainty--MTHS has not. I'm not sure why you brought that up. It's not relevant to the point you were making.

I wasn't commenting on your success against Folsom. I was giving you some perspective.

MT would KILL for ONE season of a resume like Folsom has had over a decade.

To grasp at straws and take jabs at their schedule, when you are who you are, is disingenuous at best.

BTW- I am actually a fan of MT. But hope you gain some perspective.