The Payoff Format is Flawed

[VONB]

Trying to keep the OLD Section playoff system in place while adding a new Regional and State Playoff is crazy. Teams that get in may or may not be the right choice and the schedule is way too long.

I say go to 8 team Section playoffs and then 4 team Regionals. If you want the other 8 section teams in a playoff to make more money have an "NIT " type toilet bowl playoff for them. If done right these regional games could make even more money than the first round section games featuring 1 vs 16, etc.

This post was edited on 12/10 8:39 AM by VONB

 

[paul_johnson884]

Great idea. If the commissioners had an ounce of common sense they would propose something like this and since it appears they love the money, they all would receive more than they do now if they structure it properly.

 

[Paloma]

Also this "Folsom" rule is BS. How do you think Pittsburg and Cal High feel having their seasons end in the NCS final for 23 years with no care or concern. 23 in a row people! I know the State playoffs has only been around for a few year but you get my point. Imagine if Pittsburg finished 12-1 this year and had their season end to De La Salle. After watching that Defense there's no doubt that they are elite and probably the best in the state. Just as is the Folsom offense. So I say give everyone exepmtion from playing De La Salle or give no one an exemption.

Or better yet... make a Pac-5 style playoff and put the top 8 teams in Norcal in to their own playoff bracket and that decides who goes to state.

The NCS can also start actually monitoring De La Salle's application/scholarship system and how they get players, whoops, students admitted.

 

[mtnjohn]

You sure come off as a jerk! How many decades have people been examining DLS re recruiting, etc. and found NOTHING but rumors.

 

[NCSF]

Paloma, Here's a newsflash- The best defense in the state doesn't give up five touchdowns to a team that is now one-dimensional and can't pass. Regarding the application/recruiting debacle, get over it. Bellevue is a public. Poly is a public. Folsom is a public. Pittsburg has the demographics to be a power. Just get better! This incessant excuse making and crying is unbecoming.

 

[NuttySac]

I think they should automatically schedule the top 2 teams from each section in Nor Cal to play each other the following year. That way it should be easier for the CIF to analyze the SOS and we will have a better idea come post season on where teams stand.

 

[Paloma]

What DLS investigations are you talking about exactly?! Send us the links to the articles regarding this investigation. Typical DLS fans reading what they want to read.

The point is there should be no exemption from having to face DLS, and if there is it should be for everyone because there are very good teams in the NCS that can win in Norcals but never get the chance because they have to face DLS in their section while over hyped SJS teams reap all the benefits, only to get blasted by DLS in Norcals. So enjoy your State title with an aesterick Folsom.

We'll see regarding the best defense in the state championship won't we. Let me know what you think when DLS puts 50 on Centennial.

 

[paul_johnson884]

NCSF- ID like to know what defense in 2014 CA would fair better vs DLS than Pitt did.

 

[ThunderRam]

Originally posted by Paloma:

while over hyped SJS teams reap all the benefits, only to get blasted by DLS in Norcals.

At least try to be accurate. Only 1 team has been blasted and only 2 games have been played. The NCS has been getting blasted for 23 years - and most of the past 35 - yet you position it as if the SJS as been getting blasted for years. It's happened twice and against one team.

Before you retort back with the regular season wins DLS has over the SJS, just realize that, with the exception of 2004/05, SoCal wasn't beating the Spartans until the SBG's were put in place thus setting up a game against one of their best teams in a given year. They've now managed 3 wins out of it. You might argue that the SJS and CCS didn't have a section champ that would have beaten them in any of the past 23 seasons, but that's pure speculation. Fact is, those games didn't happen. The games against the NCS's best D1 teams did.

In summary, don't take 2 isolated cases against Folsom and position it as something that's been happening for a long time. When you have to over exaggerate and resort to hyperbole to sell a point, you have no point.

 

[Cal 14]

Originally posted by ThunderRam:

Originally posted by Paloma:

while over hyped SJS teams reap all the benefits, only to get blasted by DLS in Norcals.

At least try to be accurate. Only 1 team has been blasted and only 2 games have been played. The NCS has been getting blasted for 23 years - and most of the past 35 - yet you position it as if the SJS as been getting blasted for years. It's happened twice and against one team.

Before you retort back with the regular season wins DLS has over the SJS, just realize that, with the exception of 2004/05, SoCal wasn't beating the Spartans until the SBG's were put in place thus setting up a game against one of their best teams in a given year. They've now managed 3 wins out of it. You might argue that the SJS and CCS didn't have a section champ that would have beaten them in any of the past 23 seasons, but that's pure speculation. Fact is, those games didn't happen. The games against the NCS's best D1 teams did.

In summary, don't take 2 isolated cases against Folsom and position it as something that's been happening for a long time. When you have to over exaggerate and resort to hyperbole to sell a point, you have no point.

Practitioners of hyperbole have no use for accuracy.

 

[ThunderRam]

Originally posted by Cal 14:

Practitioners of hyperbole have no use for accuracy.

Ain't that the truth.


I get the point that the NCS has had some really good teams over the years that have been overshadowed by the green machine and a few of those teams might have won Regional or State titles had they been able to avoid playing them.

But the fact remains that the NCS hasn't had a team able to beat DLS in a championship game in 23 years and in 30 of the past 36 seasons. That has been proven out on the field. And just because they haven't been able to do it, doesn't mean the SJS and CCS's best in a given year would have suffered the same fate.

As I already pointed out, the South didn't really start pulling off some wins until a system was put in place guaranteeing one of their best teams, if not their best team, a shot a DLS every season. The NCS has this same shot every year. The SJS and CCS have not.

Scheduling pre-season games has worked out about as well as it did for the South, who only had Mission Viejo and Clovis North pull off wins when the Spartans were at their lowest. Rarely does a team getting DLS on their preseason schedule end up being one of the top 2 or 3 in their section. It did happen last season and in 2011 though.

 

[FAR_NORTHERN]

I am curious why we insist to call it the Folsom rule? Does everyone not realise it had every bit as much to do with the southern sections as it does with up here?

 

[Cal 14]

Originally posted by FAR_NORTHERN:
I am curious why we insist to call it the Folsom rule? Does everyone not realise it had every bit as much to do with the southern sections as it does with up here?

I actually say that the biggest beneficiaries would have been the Southern Section's West Valley Division... if its winner hadn't gone out and eliminated itself early in the season.

 

[cappyjohnson]

Nobody in CCS was complaining with the old format when they sent Bellermine to State without a playin game a few years back? Now the CCS/WCAL actually has show they belong and what has happened? I have been watching this unravel for the last few years and laughing my butt off this time of the year! So go ahead and lobby for an expanded playoff system for Norcals, what do you think the end result will be any different? Here's what I see in the future DLS, and 4-5 SJS teams....

 

[Golfpilot]

Originally posted by Cal 14:

Originally posted by ThunderRam:

Originally posted by Paloma:

while over hyped SJS teams reap all the benefits, only to get blasted by DLS in Norcals.

At least try to be accurate. Only 1 team has been blasted and only 2 games have been played. The NCS has been getting blasted for 23 years - and most of the past 35 - yet you position it as if the SJS as been getting blasted for years. It's happened twice and against one team.

Before you retort back with the regular season wins DLS has over the SJS, just realize that, with the exception of 2004/05, SoCal wasn't beating the Spartans until the SBG's were put in place thus setting up a game against one of their best teams in a given year. They've now managed 3 wins out of it. You might argue that the SJS and CCS didn't have a section champ that would have beaten them in any of the past 23 seasons, but that's pure speculation. Fact is, those games didn't happen. The games against the NCS's best D1 teams did.

In summary, don't take 2 isolated cases against Folsom and position it as something that's been happening for a long time. When you have to over exaggerate and resort to hyperbole to sell a point, you have no point.

Practitioners of hyperbole have no use for accuracy.

When was the last time a SJS team beat DLS? The last NCS team was in 1991.
I would hardly call it an isolated case

 

[ararar]

paul_johnson884 posted on 12/10/2014...
NCSF- ID like to know what defense in 2014 CA would fair better vs DLS than Pitt did.

maybe Mater Dei.held CC to 18 and 27 in two games

 

[ararar]

VONB posted on 12/10/2014...
Trying to keep the OLD Section playoff system in place while adding a new Regional and State Playoff is crazy. Teams that get in may or may not be the right choice and the schedule is way too long.

I say go to 8 team Section playoffs and then 4 team Regionals. If you want the other 8 section teams in a playoff to make more money have an "NIT " type toilet bowl playoff for them. If done right these regional games could make even more money than the first round section games featuring 1 vs 16, etc.


what the state playoffs will look like next year
http://www.calhisports.com/2014/12/11/our-better-bowl-games-with-tweaks/