VC vs PW...then PW vs AM

[becoolpt55]

How Clet beat PW....
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/09/girls-basketball-carondelet-takes-down-state-no-1-pinewood/

No help defense....
worked once for Clet...
That said PW needs to shoot at least 30 threes....against VC...
and shoot 50 3s Friday when they play Mitty...yes 50 threes...
and hope you make 25...so 75 points on threes....make 5 FTs
and 5 open layups....that is 90 points...if Mitty makes it to 91 you lose...and you shake Sue's hand...
Go down swinging....or shooting....
You got nothing to lose....they can't beat Mitty straight up...

 

[colhenrylives]

How Clet beat PW....
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/09/girls-basketball-carondelet-takes-down-state-no-1-pinewood/

No help defense....
worked once for Clet...
That said PW needs to shoot at least 30 threes....against VC...
and shoot 50 3s Friday when they play Mitty...yes 50 threes...
and hope you make 25...so 75 points on threes....make 5 FTs
and 5 open layups....that is 90 points...if Mitty makes it to 91 you lose...and you shake Sue's hand...
Go down swinging....or shooting....
You got nothing to lose....they can't beat Mitty straight up...

...which, of course, they did one year ago without shooting 50 treys.

 

[mkbgdns]

vs. Mitty, 11 of 27 in 3 overtimes.

3 years ago, in upset of then #1 undefeated SMS, 16 of 30. then, in Open final 5 of 24 in loss. the 3 can be a fickle friend.

 

[colhenrylives]

..touche'

 

[bayareagbballfan]

No way Mitty scores 90 against Pinewood. Mitty will score 65 minimum and 80 maximum. Pinewood plays way better defense than any of the other WCAL teams. To win, Pinewood will need to keep it 65-70 by holding Jones to less than 30 and less than 35-40 from 3-4 others, mostly their starters. From the offensive side, Pinewood just needs to do what they have done all season. 65-70 is their typical offensive output. Not sure why you are talking about so many 3's. The key to winning for Pinewoood is defense, not offense. If they are 20% for 3s, I don't think it matters how much they shot, they will not win. They need their regular offensive output/percentages.

 

[Norcal_Fan]

No way Mitty scores 90 against Pinewood. Mitty will score 65 minimum and 80 maximum. Pinewood plays way better defense than any of the other WCAL teams. To win, Pinewood will need to keep it 65-70 by holding Jones to less than 30 and less than 35-40 from 3-4 others, mostly their starters. From the offensive side, Pinewood just needs to do what they have done all season. 65-70 is their typical offensive output. Not sure why you are talking about so many 3's. The key to winning for Pinewoood is defense, not offense. If they are 20% for 3s, I don't think it matters how much they shot, they will not win. They need their regular offensive output/percentages.

I agree that you have to be able to make stops, but you have to put the ball in the bucket to win the game. Pinewood relies on transition buckets and 3 point shots. If their 3's aren't falling it could be a long night for PW.

 

[Winning Is Fun]

No way Mitty scores 90 against Pinewood. Mitty will score 65 minimum and 80 maximum. Pinewood plays way better defense than any of the other WCAL teams. To win, Pinewood will need to keep it 65-70 by holding Jones to less than 30 and less than 35-40 from 3-4 others, mostly their starters. From the offensive side, Pinewood just needs to do what they have done all season. 65-70 is their typical offensive output. Not sure why you are talking about so many 3's. The key to winning for Pinewoood is defense, not offense. If they are 20% for 3s, I don't think it matters how much they shot, they will not win. They need their regular offensive output/percentages.

Pinewood plays way better d than ALL of the wcal teams? I beg to differ. They have a totally different defensive scheme than all the wcal since they solely rely on quickness. Wcal teams defend you in many different ways and they all are physical. They'll go man, full court press, 3/4, 1/2, and even play some zone. Pinewood has tons of team speed, but i would not call them a great defensive team.

 

[colhenrylives]

Their half court man is fundamentally sound. As good as it gets.

 

[bayareagbballfan]

Pinewood plays way better d than ALL of the wcal teams? I beg to differ. They have a totally different defensive scheme than all the wcal since they solely rely on quickness. Wcal teams defend you in many different ways and they all are physical. They'll go man, full court press, 3/4, 1/2, and even play some zone. Pinewood has tons of team speed, but i would not call them a great defensive team.

I said Pinewood's defense is better than "the other WCAL teams" (e.g. except for Mitty perhaps). I agree they rely on quickness, but that means they can play in your face defense to deny shot, contest passes, and pressure the ball handler, and they can stay in front of their man and not get beat off the dribble. What good is different looks and a press if you don't have the quickness to stay in front and not get beat? Pinewood stays within an arms length of the ball handler at all times everywhere on the court. I can't say the same for the other WCAL teams. The ball pressure is not at the same level, not even close.

 

[stepslide]

The key to the game will be the referees, rebounding, and depth. The officiating has been below average the whole season in CCS. I hope this game gets some good unbiased officials.

 

[ClayK]

I think it's fair to say that 99% of officials are unbiased. I don't think refs go into a game thinking "I want Team A to win and I'm going to do what I can to make that happen."

As I've said before, this is high school basketball, where the level of talent, the level of coaching and the level of officiating are all about the same. Why anyone can rationally expect the officiating to be at a much higher level than the talent of the players and coaches is beyond me, especially since the best refs are immediately promoted to the next level.

 

[becoolpt55]

40 three point attempts last night...22 two point attempts....
think about that for a sec... back in the day the 80s and 90s
you wouldn't play for most coaches with that kind of "discipline"

Remember what the Clet coach said after the game which they beat PW...
Clet spent three days before that game practicing poor defensive principles...
"Not helping if you get beat to the hoop".....

Anyway this a unique situation...obviously ...
So I would like to see PW attempt 50 threes Friday night....
The goal should be to make 50%....so they don't make 50%...but at least you are trying to win the game...

Some people would call this a "Junk offense"....
I know Pop...the Spurs coach thinks the Warriors offense is terrible basketball
but I think you should always play to your strength...PW cannot beat Mitty
straight up...so you play your game...what do you have to lose

 

[stepslide]

You have been around the game long enough Clay to know that the level of officiating can be quite obvious in a game that features multiple division 1 players. It IS a collegiate game when pinewood and mitty play each other, so they should have college level officials. How many games across Northern CA. will be played Friday night? Also just because you officiate college doesn't mean you are a good official. I'm sure you have identified the officials you consider good and the ones you consider not so good in the East Bay. I'm also sure you keep seeing officials you consider not so good reffing games they shouldn't be.
I hope you have above average officials for your game vs O'Dowd.

 

[ballinplayin365]

40 three point attempts last night...22 two point attempts....
think about that for a sec... back in the day the 80s and 90s
you wouldn't play for most coaches with that kind of "discipline"

Remember what the Clet coach said after the game which they beat PW...
Clet spent three days before that game practicing poor defensive principles...
"Not helping if you get beat to the hoop".....

Anyway this a unique situation...obviously ...
So I would like to see PW attempt 50 threes Friday night....
The goal should be to make 50%....so they don't make 50%...but at least you are trying to win the game...

Some people would call this a "Junk offense"....
I know Pop...the Spurs coach thinks the Warriors offense is terrible basketball
but I think you should always play to your strength...PW cannot beat Mitty
straight up...so you play your game...what do you have to lose

Are you sure pop thinks the warriors offense is bad basketball? A simple Google search says otherwise.



A "junk offsense" is just something a person doesn't understand. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[OnBall8]

Once again, if you think the warriors and PW run the same offense, you aren't watching closely or you don't even know what you're looking at.

 

[ClayK]

Long ago, I quit worrying about who was going to ref our games ... I just wanted whoever was there to work hard and know the rules, and especially in postseason, that happens almost all the time.

Of course, there are men and women who coaches have more confidence in than others, but that doesn't mean they won't have a bad game, or make a crucial bad call (or good game or good call). It's just like the players -- sometimes the stars fall flat and sometimes the complementary players step up.

The idea of getting college refs to do these playoff games is an interesting one, but one issue is the rules, which are different enough to cause problems. (I was just talking to a ref about what happens on an inadvertent whistle -- she does college games and knew the college rule right away, but wasn't sure about high school. Obviously not a big deal, but there is a difference.)
And of course there's expense. College refs get a lot more than than the $80 or so high school refs get, and someone would have to come up with that money.

 

[stepslide]

Clay, college officials do both HS and college games . Maybe not the high level D1 officials, but JC and D2 officials are doing both if they have time. I agree on good calls bad calls and hard work. It is less about working hard and making good calls and more about feel for the game and positive communication. No ego's.