2018 PF Jordan Brown #19 on Scout.com

[Hoops1124]

Rankings don't really mean anything - except for discussion.

Marquese Chriss was 58th in final rankings his senior year.

Appeared in o major HS All-Star Games after the season.

1 and Done in College.

8th pick overall in 2016 NBA Draft

Most Starts for any Rookie last year in the NBA - 75 Games Started


Scout.com 2018 Top 100

Jordan Brown #19

Link:
http://www.scout.com/Season/2018-Basketball/ScoutRecruitRankings

 

[Bob33]

Marquis Christ is a freak athletically and at 6"9 1/2 could face up in college and has taken that's to the pros. I would argue HS stats mean little because brown throws up better numbers than Christ ever did. Oh and Christ did just fine coming out of a public school in Elk Grove. Not even a private... go figure. Oh and don't think he will ever forgot that state champ ring he got as a Soph.

Rankings means little. Agree. But some people translate better. Robb game does not as an example.

 

[passfirst]

Marquis Christ is a freak athletically and at 6"9 1/2 could face up in college and has taken that's to the pros. I would argue HS stats mean little because brown throws up better numbers than Christ ever did. Oh and Christ did just fine coming out of a public school in Elk Grove. Not even a private... go figure. Oh and don't think he will ever forgot that state champ ring he got as a Soph.

Rankings means little. Agree. But some people translate better. Robb game does not as an example.

I didn't know that Chriss finished that high his Sr year in rankings. He got hot towards the end of his soph yr, but his development during the spring and summer club season was insane.

 

[WhoGotNext]

The Ballislife All American Game is pretty big

 

[BenParker]

Jordan is #9 on Rivals. I think he's getting overlooked, but I'm glad that Rivals still has him ranked as a Top 10 player.

 

[lovin basketball]

i was watching NBA Gametime a few weeks back and they did an analysis of McDonalds All Americans and un ranked players who are in the NBA, and you know what group had the most players in the league? unranked!!! Go figure. Rankings don't mean nothing, go play the game and if improvement is needed keep working.

 

[BenParker]

i was watching NBA Gametime a few weeks back and they did an analysis of McDonalds All Americans and un ranked players who are in the NBA, and you know what group had the most players in the league? unranked!!! Go figure. Rankings don't mean nothing, go play the game and if improvement is needed keep working.

Yeah, I definitely agree that these kids shouldn't get too hung up on their rankings for this very reason.

 

[larry legend33]

I've been around the game my entire life. There are some kids that are pretty much can't misses. Lets face it we've all watched them from a young age. I can think of Jason Kidd locally in addition to Aaron Gordon. Gordon however to me will not be a star. He will be a highlight film reel and have a 10 +year career but I just don't see him as a next tier guy. Just not polished enough offensively. Doesn't mean he won't get you 12ppg and 7 boards along with some steals and assist. I watched Drew Gooden play at El Cerrito and I thought he had good chance of being a long term pro. I'm sure I'm missing few kids. But what about a kid like Brent Barry who I played against in HS? No way was he a pro in HS. Goofy and about 160 at 6'6. (Great genes though) Ryan Anderson from Oak Ridge. Who saw that coming? Heck what about Damian Lilliard?

But I wouldn't put Brown into the can't miss class. No way. Long way to go. Marvin Bagley on other hand is a can't miss. Brown is Not super athletic but he is highly skilled. A lot more than most kids this generation.

 

[kiddman32]

I saw all four of the Barry boys play a LOT of games at DLS... Fun times! I only saw Scooter's senior season so I don't know what his early fan/scout expectations might have been. but I do remember that all three of the others had to play freshman and JV before their varsity runs.

MJ aside, most NBA talents play varisty and usually star right from the getgo. Of course, these kids added height and size quite a bit later than kids tend to, just like Rick himself, who grew four inches in college.

However, no matter what their sizes, very few saw long NBA careers coming for them either... Crazy good in HS, would probably translate to strong college careers and maybe an NBA chance, but that's about as far as I could see it getting for any of them...

Obviously, except for Scooter, I sure missed on that one

 

[raiderjohn]

Nice, Kidd and Brent Barry, 90 NCS playoff game at CSUH....Kidd tears down one of the rims.

Jon Barry was 5-11 as a senior, and that was the first year they allowed the 3 point shot in high school. He shot the lights out. It got him into UOP that first year. What 6-5 by the time he was NBA bound?

Brent I thought, sure flat top, 6-6 bones etc....but he was doggone athletic..... definitely did not think he was NBA material...at the time. Wasn't Joe McLean more highly recruited at the time for DLS, and for a 6-5 back to the basket type, McLean pretty much ended up warming a high D1 bench.

Other locals, Jeremy Lin, he dominated his senior year....of course the measurables weren't there...but he had as spectacular of a senior season in Norcal ever...he just wasn't playing above the rim like AG was.

Ray Young versus Chuck Hayes......both were top high school recruits. Never saw NBA in either player, thought both would go the way of a Cal Byrd, gifted athletically, but lacked the basic NBA skill to make it....shooting. Hayes, found his niche and stuck around for 10 years, now he has a post career NBA job.

I will throw out some names, JR Rider, Brian Shaw, Gary Payton, Greg Foster, Todd Lichti.....

 

[larry legend33]

Raiderjohn.- Great list. A lot of good names on their. Chuck Hayes was really interesting. Seemed to be a throwback player in a modern day era. Not very tall or athletic. Always found his way into the lineup at UK and even in the pro's. Don't know him but I would have to assume very high intelligence level and coaches dream. BTW, he played on one of my all time favorite teams. That Modesto Christian team that lost to MD in finals was one of the best I've ever seen. I believe you had 4 D1 starters.
Jr rider, shaw, payton, foster, and lichti were all really high ceiling guys. Maybe under recruited in terms of payton and shaw but they were def pro material in HS. Rider was a freak. Athletically good enough to play in the league in HS. Lichti never really translated to the pro's.

Played against Mclean in HS. White guy who had hops but wasn't by any means Arizona good. How he got a ride there is still a mystery. He was WCC type.

 

[kiddman32]

Nice, Kidd and Brent Barry, 90 NCS playoff game at CSUH....Kidd tears down one of the rims.

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I will throw out some names, JR Rider, Brian Shaw, Gary Payton, Greg Foster, Todd Lichti.....

Correction; the game where Kidd tore down the rim was earlier the same season (or possibly the year before) v. O'Dowd in a regular-season game. I remember reading all about it, but that was one of the few Kidd games I missed. Kidd dominated that playoff game v. DLS, and I *was* there for that one... But no rims came down.

JR Rider: Boy, what an athlete... I only saw him play once, in an early-season game at Concord HS (before he got suspended, again. He didn't actually play a whole lot of HS ball cuz of grades or whatever other troubles he got into). Anyway, dude looked like Adonis, jumped outa the gym, quick, could really shoot, all that good stuff. However, in the game I saw he only tried when it was convenient for him. He scored 20 or so and made some spectacular plays when the opportunity came to him, but his team lost by 10 or so to an average-at-best Concord team. He could have easily scored 30 or 40 and killed everyone on D if he'd wanted to... But he didn't. Frustrating as hell for this viewer. Obviously he figured things out somewhat and became a strong NBA player (between bouts with off-court stupid stuff), but he had the ability to be a true all-time great, first-ballot type HOF'er, but didn't do so.

Brian Shaw: Skinny but skilled kid who I thought was really good, but had no clue he'd make it as big as he did.

Gary Payton: He was obviously super-gifted, but I kinda pegged him as an "all about me" sort. Guess I missed that one.

Greg Foster: He was on Gary Payton's Skyline team, right? If so, I remember him as being a good shotblocker... If I'm thinking about someone else, then ignore this paragraph

Todd Lichti: My mom was his 5th-grade teacher... One day, Mom had me come over and help out with those fitness tests, asking me to give tips if I could on my one-and-only athletic claim to fame, the standing broad jump (as they called it back in the caveman years when I was in school). Most of the kids gained a couple inches after listening to my tips on balance, momentum, etc., but one kid improved by over a foot in just minutes. THAT was Todd Lichti. Obviously a very coachable, smart kid with natural atheticism! Little did I know... I have an idea he might have done better in the NBA if it weren't for injuries and just plain bad luck personally off-court.

 

[kiddman32]

I bet Jeremy Lin was sure fun to watch, but his HS career came during the time I lived in Oregon so I missed it.

 

[Marcskit]

I bet Jeremy Lin was sure fun to watch, but his HS career came during the time I lived in Oregon so I missed it.

I bet Jeremy Lin was sure fun to watch, but his HS career came during the time I lived in Oregon so I missed it.

Lin was wicked crafty. Did the Wooden thing "Be quick but don't hurry" as good as anyone.
Here's wishing you great hoops

 

[larry legend33]

Lin was very good and so was his Palo Alto teams. You don't spank Mater Dei by accident. I found myself in disbelief that no local school (CAL, Stanford, Santa Clara, St Mary's, USF, UOP) offered him. I honestly think being "Asian" on the hoop court didn't do him any justice. That sounds weird but if you know the game and the situation it will make sense. But life has a funny way of working out and he certainly made the best of it and kept improving. But did I see NBA coming? No way.

 

[laidbackcoach]

As good of a HS player as he was (and I was at that Mater Dei game) nobody saw the NBA coming for LIn at anytime he was in HS and probably not in his first 2-3 years at Harvard either. Anybody that says that they did is lying.

 

[larry legend33]

Agreed laid back coach. I was at several of his games in HS including the finals against MD. I thought he could definitely play at Stanford or any of the WCC schools though. He was underrated in terms of athleticism and had decent size. But NBA??? No frickn way. And what a cool story. The Linsanity thing was incredible. Have a dream and stuck with it.

Its a long crazy road. I mean look at Stanley Johnson from MD. 4 time state champ? Looked like a lock for an NBA star. Dude has struggled. D league stuff.

 

[TwitterLegend]

Stanley Johnson has played 2 years in the NBA after 1 year of college and is still 21 years old. D-league stuff???? FOH man.

 

[larry legend33]

Stanley Johnson got sent down to the D league last year. Absolute zero factor. He hasn't done shat in the NBA and his game doesn't translate well. Not a great shooter, not a good defender, decent size but not long, doesn't have a true position. HS he could overpower people with his physical attributes. Not in the NBA. Lets see how well he does this year. He has bust written all over him.

 

[lovin basketball]

Stanley Johnson was the poster child for the Soldiers!! Personally I never thought he was that good.

 

[larry legend33]

I thought he was very good in HS. He was a freight train. But in HS you could overpower kids. I see the same thing in Zion Williamson. Absolute freak athletically but will be be doing that at the next level? NO way. But the NBA is a different animal. You can't totally write him off but my gut tells me he will never be a real factor. Probably a 8-10 type guy on an NBA roster. Whereas a guy like Michael Porter Jr is just so skilled. He is the new NBA.

 

[lovin basketball]

I absolutely love Michael Porters game, very smooth and fluid. As far as Zion Williamson another AAU phenom whose game does not translate at the next level.

 

[Bob33]

Porter is ridiculously good. I'm not saying he's KD but at this stage in his career he's right there if not further along. 6"10 and so skilled. Can do just about anything on the court. A real treat to watch.
Zion Williamson will measure 6"4 1/2 at the combine and teams will flee. He is the And1 /AAU era star. Finally somebody on this board who knows hoops.

 

[HooperTruther]

Porter is ridiculously good. I'm not saying he's KD but at this stage in his career he's right there if not further along. 6"10 and so skilled. Can do just about anything on the court. A real treat to watch.
Zion Williamson will measure 6"4 1/2 at the combine and teams will flee. He is the And1 /AAU era star. Finally somebody on this board who knows hoops.

Not so sure of that.....However...

Adrian Dantley
Paul Milsap
Clarence Weatherspoon
Truck Robinson
Larry Johnson
Mark Aguirre
Ben Wallace
Dennis Rodman
Wes Unseld
Charles Barkley
Elgin Baylor

All WAY undersized and he is a much better athlete than any of them...

IF he gets a jump shot....

 

[larry legend33]

You have HOF players on that list. You have got to be kidding me. He's not even a lock for the league and you throw this list up.... bahhahahahhahah

 

[lovin basketball]

Zion Williamson's game is not even close to those guys on that list. Again he's a AAU guy who's currently bigger than most players he plays against. He is another Julius Randle great athlete, strong and overpowering, but that's it.

 

[HooperTruther]

We shall see.....

 

[HooperTruther]

Zion Williamson's game is not even close to those guys on that list. Again he's a AAU guy who's currently bigger than most players he plays against. He is another Julius Randle great athlete, strong and overpowering, but that's it.

So, he is the #1 ranked player in the country as a high school senior. Name one of the athletes on the list who had a better game in high school?

Maybe Unseld, Maybe Baylor (when he played (grades problems)) are comparable.....

 

[vukovich]

So, he is the #1 ranked player in the country as a high school senior. Name one of the athletes on the list who had a better game in high school?

Maybe Unseld, Maybe Baylor (when he played (grades problems)) are comparable.....

I think what some of the posters are saying is his game doesn't translate well to the NBA currently. There is little or no direct post play on most teams and there are not any undersized power forwards who bang like the old days. The game is all about size and length and playing beyond the 3 point line currently.

 

[lovin basketball]

Tell me one thing he does other than dunk? There's so much that makes a good player that's why I pay no attention to rankings.

 

[larry legend33]

AAU phenom. The kid is a human highlight reel. Fun to watch and fills the gym. Can you shoot or dribble? Or go right? I don't see it. Doubt he's taller than 6"5 and a man child right now. I don't see that translating to NBA success at all. I bet he spends more time working on warmups than his game.

 

[HooperTruther]

Tell me one thing he does other than dunk? There's so much that makes a good player that's why I pay no attention to rankings.

I would agree that he is playing against far lesser talent, so there is no one to even stay in front of him where he would have to pull up for any hesitation move and.or a jump shot, but for his size, and he is HUGE, the ball-handling in traffic is pretty impressive. He is also a willing rebounder (high percentage even in AAU) and support defender when his teammates get beat to the rim.

 

[larry legend33]

I see the Kyree Walker who left Moreau in the same boat. Overpowers younger kids with great size and athleticism in HS. But he's 6"4-6"5 and probably done growing. Looks like a man and is old for grade. He's a wing at the next level.
Jordan Brown has a lot more skills and length to work with long term. Kid is 6"10+ and skilled. Not a lock but the frame and IQ is their.

 

[vukovich]

I see the Kyree Walker who left Moreau in the same boat. Overpowers younger kids with great size and athleticism in HS. But he's 6"4-6"5 and probably done growing. Looks like a man and is old for grade. He's a wing at the next level.
Jordan Brown has a lot more skills and length to work with long term. Kid is 6"10+ and skilled. Not a lock but the frame and IQ is

I see your comparison but not super similar. Zion is 2 inches taller way bigger and stronger and much more athletic.

 

[lovin basketball]

I've watched some of his highlights and from what I saw he played no defense nor did his defenders. Believe me I love watching a good dunk, but give me a guy who can knock down a consistent jump shot, plays good defense and is a good teammate I'll take that player over a Zion Williamson any day of the week.

 

[lovin basketball]

Here's an interesting quote about Derrick Rose from an NBA scout!!!!

without it, the player left behind is one capable of creating offense for himself, but a poor shooter and defender with a below-average assist rate. That isn’t a player that’s going to be a difference maker on a team like Cleveland — let alone one that’ll be capable of making significant contributions

 

[observer22]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sb...454852/zion-williamson-recruit-highlights-nba