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ANY PREDICTION FOR THE NORCAL OPEN ?????

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ballersdreams

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My prediction for the Norcal Open is

1) SMS (SJS D1 champions)

2) MM (NCS D3 champions)

3) SHC (CCS Open Division champions)

4) Pinewood(CCS Open Division runner-up)

5) Carondelet (NCS D2 champion)

6) SI (CCS Open Division 3rd place)

7) Brookside(SJS D4 champions)

8) Salesian (NCS D4 champions)

This is my Prediction for the NORCAL Open Division for State !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
kids are still speaking. adults can argue after section champs are determined. after the kids have had their input, adults will decide open division selections and seeding. the kids still have the floor. pun intended.
 
I'll take a crack at it....

1) SMS ....SJS D1 winner
2) Miramonte....NCS D3 winner
3) SI...CCS Open winner
4)Clet...NCS D2 winner
5)Pinewood...CCS Open 2nd
6)Brookside...SJS D4 winner
7)Salesian/SMB...winner of NCS D4 section
8)Salesian /SMB...loser of NCS D4 section


Vanden...non qualifier right? otherwise move them to 6 and drop everyone else 1....
 
Yes the kids are speaking now but the coaches will be speaking in the section finals. Good coaching will be the difference in the end and on into the NORCAL. Some coaches are blessed with very talent teams but when it comes to winning in the Norcal Open its about coaching. Coaches that can make adjustment on the fly usually their team does better because they can stop the bleeding quicker and wait until half time. Coaches can study film until they are blue in the face but that wont help because teams always change game plans game to game.


If either Northbay or mind prediction become true I can see some upset the first round. The upsets that I can see happening is #2 vs #7 and #3 vs #6.

I know Mkgdns wont like that because he been following MM since 2000. How could you even put anything on this board and you saying basketball is a hard game. To some of us basketball is like second nature and was real easy to play, understand and coach. For some it takes a lot more but its about how much you put into the game is what you get out of the game. The knowledge of the game should always be give back to others. Like I said before knowledge is power and never be scared to use your knowledge so you can hate all you want.
 
Originally posted by ballersdreams:

Yes the kids are speaking now but the coaches will be speaking in the section finals. Good coaching will be the difference in the end and on into the NORCAL. Some coaches are blessed with very talent teams but when it comes to winning in the Norcal Open its about coaching. Coaches that can make adjustment on the fly usually their team does better because they can stop the bleeding quicker and wait until half time. Coaches can study film until they are blue in the face but that wont help because teams always change game plans game to game.


If either Northbay or mind prediction become true I can see some upset the first round. The upsets that I can see happening is #2 vs #7 and #3 vs #6.

I know Mkgdns wont like that because he been following MM since 2000. How could you even put anything on this board and you saying basketball is a hard game. To some of us basketball is like second nature and was real easy to play, understand and coach. For some it takes a lot more but its about how much you put into the game is what you get out of the game. The knowledge of the game should always be give back to others. Like I said before knowledge is power and never be scared to use your knowledge so you can hate all you want.
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Mo - this may be the funniest post ever! Just re post the blundering idiot's post. I think he was trying to write something profound. FAIL
 
The day I think coaching is easy is the day I need to quit coaching.
 
Not saying its easy but easier when teams have a lot talent ? I think make adjustments are easy if your know what you are doing as a coach but on the other have to have the talent to make them !!!!! Some coaches can read a game in the first 3 to 5 minutes and make adjustments. Then there are some coaches that need to wait to half time but sometimes that to late. But coaching comes easier to some but not many!!!!!!!!!1
 
Originally posted by Nor Cal Scout:
Mo - this may be the funniest post ever! Just re post the blundering idiot's post. I think he was trying to write something profound. FAIL
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I find it hilarious that studying film until you are blue i the face will do you no good but being able to make adjustments on the fly in the first 3-5 minutes makes a great coach. I guess making pre-emptive adjustments and anticipating what your opponent will counter with is a bad thing.

I will commend him on making a post that I could finally make it through. without getting a headache. Usually I give up deciphering his cryptic babbling about half way through.
 
A good coach, I think, comes into a game with a plan -- but as Helmut von Moltke famously said, a plan does not survive first contact with the enemy.

Von Moltke isn't right all the time, and sometimes a plan works and you stick with it, but I think a good coach needs to be able to do both. You have to know what you want to do going in, but if that doesn't work out, you have to adjust (at least in postseason games -- sometimes winning a regular season game is less important than working on what you need to work on).

And sometimes what works makes no sense. We run a halfcourt trap that can usually be taken apart by a tall, good guard, but I remember a game we were struggling, and the other team had a tall good guard who could see, and pass, over any trap we set. But since we were losing anyway, I gave it a shot, and for whatever reason, the other team pretty much collapsed.

That was an adjustment out of desperation that worked, and often adjustments that should work don't. In the end, really, it's the players' game, and if they make shots and make plays, pretty much everything works. If they don't make shots, or plays, it doesn't matter what the coach draws up.
 
The reason to watch film is to watch player tendencies in their offense. But some coaches go over board watching film because only need to watch it once to pick offences, defenses, press and out of bounds plays. Coaches should try to dictate the game sticking to their game plan but adjust during the when needed.
 
At the higher level of hoops, when overall talent is pretty much even, or at least not too lopsided, preparation and planning are keys. The best coaches, who are always flexible, employ a strategy, based on their own personnel, matchups and scouting reports. Without that, even very good talent can be de-railed. There are lots of good examples. But there's no point in ripping coaches who care and try but are essentially clueless when the competition ratchets up.
 
The bracket I taught might happen wont from all these so called upset to get out of the open. But I can say this all the teams with speed are rising to the top right now. SHC, Pinewood, Salesian, Brookside, and SMS been at the top because all the speed. Pinewood had a close with another speed team ESCP. I think speed in the Norcal Open is going to be the difference in most of the games. The other teams have speed but just not as quick as all these teams. Speed kills because making the other team chase the other players up and down the court will tired the other team. When teams make other teams run then tried out the shooting legs. so with that here goes another guess.

1) SMS
2) MM (if they don't lose to BOD in the NCS D3 finals)
3) Carondelet
4) Brookside (if Pinewood doesn't win the CCS open)
5) SHC(if the don't lose to Pinewood)
6) Pinewood
7) Salesian (If they don't lose to SMB in NSC D4 finals)
8) SMB, SI, BOD
 
I think you got is almost right. You might have to put SHC #3 after they beat Pinewood and win OPEN CCS. No way they can be placed a 5th seed wining the open CCS and not taking the divisional route as well as Looking at their body of work and having already beat Brookside Christian. Carondelet hasn't played anyone and doesn't deserve the #3 spot. MM will lose to BOD but BOD still won't get in. They don't have the body of work. SHC and SMS should be in the finals. They are the most athletic teams with all the height, speed and strength of schedule. It'll all come down to the match ups and where the gamesa re played at the end of the day

I have

SMS
MM
SHC
Brookside
Carodelet
Pinewood
SI
Salesian
 
Good point Cityboy, but I think if BOD beats MM they're in for sure. They don't have the traditional body of work "this year" but they will have beaten MM which is probably top 2 in norcal behind SMS...again, if BOD beats MM.
 
Or does ESCP get in having beat SI, BOD, Mitty and Cardinal Newman. When I think about it who has BOD really beat besides MM (if they win)? They split with SHC but who else have they played?
 
The winner of the CCS Open will get a high seed -- CCS always gets higher seeds than it seems to deserve, especially WCAL schools.

The winner of Miramonte and O'Dowd is Open for sure, I think. The question will be if O'Dowd wins a very close game whether Miramonte will stay in the Open or not.

It will be hard to ignore Carondelet, given the tradition, the record and the presumed pasting of Dublin in the NCS D2 final.

Should be quite an interesting meeting, especially since several of the commissioners involved have no clue about girls' basketball in general and these teams in particular.
 
CityBoy, your research is a bit weak when you say Carondelet hasn't beaten anyone. They won the Elite Diamond Division of the WCJ convincingly beating Berkeley, Sac and Bishop Monague, and beating Mitty isn't bad either. On the other hand, you rank Brookside Christian higher than C-let and they truly have but one good win (Salesian). Their weak schedule probably keeps BC out of the Open. We need to get CityBoy to take a trip to the East Bay and check out some talent in C-let, MM, and BOD. I expect to see all three in the Open, along with the winner of Salesian/SMB.
 
So if SHC wins tonite...who is out?
If BOD wins tomorrow...they are in??? who is out?

This is great ....all this chaos....what I live for!!!!
 
1. SMS
2. Pinewood (they beat SHC)
3. Carondelet
4. Miramonte
5. Vanden
6. SMB
7. Brookside Christian
8. BOD (they beat MM)

If SHC beats Pinewood, then they bump BC. It's the only way a 10 loss team gets in.
Brookside played a very week schedule, I cant seem to find Linden and Livingstone, where are these schools???
 
I don't why people like to say Brookside does belong because if I believe when coach Pico Wilburn ask to play anyone out no body want to play Brookside. I think Brookside is a big threat in the open that's why some teams hoping they don't make it. But will we see on Sunday who will be in the Open.
 
Ol Brick Layer, (In response to Cityboy's comment)

Those are very good points! I think most people know who the top 10-15 teams are in Northern California.

And any of the top 10 or so teams can play with any of the other top 10 or so teams.

Sure who can argue that some teams have played a harder or easier schedule? The bottom line is "either you can ball or you can't ball".


Paytc

This post was edited on 3/6 9:40 AM by Paytc
 
why do you have an open section if you can get to the finals...lose...and NOT get put in the open? and potentially someone who lost in the earlier rounds gets pulled up anyways.

what's the point then?

isn't that the point, you get your 8 best and play yourself into the open section?......top 2 go?

Im not A CCS guy...Im confused....

can someone explain exactly how the open is supposed to work?
 
Northbay


I think the open so they can decide which team they want to be in the Open Norcal. If these teams was to stay in there own section there would be no Tanking at all. these teams wont want to be second fiddle to no one in their section.
 
I think SHC is in either way. How can you only take 2 teams from the CCS open when the NCS teams play weaker teams in their division. I think 3 teams go from CCS open, Pinewood, ESCP, AND SHC. SHC has the toughest strength of schedule in Nor Cal and beat Brookside Christian, SI, and BOD as well as played in the toughest league in California. Not to discredit any of the teams on your list but they haven't played anybody and their leagues are garbage.
 
My research is on point. Berkeley, Sac, Mitty and Bishop Monague aren't in anybodies conversations right now. None of these teams are Elite teams. There all lower division teams not open. a win over Salesian is a better win than wins over any of the teams C-let has beat. Salesian is still in the conversation! How can you brag about a win over Berkeley High? I've seen every team play this year so it sounds like you need to take a trip OUT of the East Bay! MM hasn't played anyone either. With all the good teams in the East Bay C-Let and MM should be playing EVERYONE! They should be traveling to Stockton and playing BC and SMS. They should be playing BOD, SMB, Salesian. They should be playing SI, SHC and Mitty on the REGULAR basis. They definitely don't deserve to be rewarded with a high seed for beating those teams you noted as being tough teams lol. Wake up and stop drinking that C-let cool-aid
 
CityBoy415,

You didn't even need to do any research at all because I don't think anyone will argue that SHC,Pinewood,ESCP are all worthy Open division selections. But the point is…. I think it's fair to say Carondelet and MM are both good enough teams to be considered as well. And sure with a tougher schedule/league they may indeed have suffered a few more loss's? But that would not necessarily cause them to be out of the open discussion.

I think a case could be made for any of the top 10-15 Northern California teams.

I have been quoted as saying "any good team can beat any other good team".

And, I agree both Carondelet and MM could have been challenged a bit harder. But each coach has to consider what schedule they need to arrange for their team based on the players/talent they have. (age, maturity,skill, experience,size,depth, among other things have to be considered.)

I think there are times when a team graduates a few key players and are searching for their identity and floor leadership.
So it makes more sense to not over challenge a team in search of its identity. It takes time to rebuild team chemistry.

It really boils down to confidence. If you challenge your team enough so that they remain confident, and peak at the right time, you increase the chances of winning your final game of the season.

MM actually beat Pinewood and SMB who beat ESCP. And MIramonte played Mater Dei the #1 team in the nation although they loss.


Paytc

This post was edited on 3/6 12:38 PM by Paytc
 
C-let's win over Mission Hills (who is in San Diego's Open Championship game) is another quality win. It's really absurd to question strength of schedule after the fact. In the preseason most pundits on this site all had Berkeley, Sac and Mitty in their top 20. C-let's schedule looked very challenging when it was set. If Vanden and/or SMB win at WCJ then they play C-let. Only so much one can control.
 
Ol' Brick Layer,

I agree !

Like I alway say "Either you can ball or you can not ball".


All the teams in the discussion can ball. So there is really not any need to knock another team, just to feel better about your own team.




Paytc
 
I'm not saying C-let doesn't deserve to be in i'm saying they don't deserve a higher seed than SHC if SHC beats Pinewood based on body of work. C-let had a "rebuilding" year so they say so I can understand the schedule being a big soft but at the same time an ELITE program is just that ELITE! No matter what the talent is we already know C-let will get players and we know what MM already has. MM has the "All American", USA team all world player so they should be playing the top teams period. once again not saying they don't deserve to be in but when it comes to seeding, what have you done for me lately. SMS is SMS and always plays a tough schedule. SHC played a tough schedule and although they lost a lot of games to tough teams early they are seeing and BEATING those teams right now not to mention playing in the toughest league in California year after year. So to put SHC in the lower bracket taking into consideration the teams that they are playing RIGHT NOW to even get to the Nor Cal open division is a slap in the face. The solution is having an OPEN NCS playoff the same as CCS instead of teams playing in their division.
 
Ok that's fair let's not look at the pre-season schedule. What tough teams have they played the last month and right now to get to the Nor Cal Open?......I'll wait.....
 
I think SHC will be in the Open with a win or a Lose CCS open Championship. But I think they are going to beat Pinewood.
Yes Carondelet is in a rebuilding stage but still good enough to be in the open. But a lot these team that suppose to be good play in a small circle of teams. Who's to say the outside team are just as good or better then this inner circle teams. The CCS suppose to be the super teams but they seem never to get out the first round of the Open why is that ????????????
Can tell my way CCS teams cant make to the second round in the Norcal Open CityBoy415 ???????
 
Personally,

I like SHC ! They do truly have some true ballers.
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Pinewood and ESCP do also!

I'd guess the selection committee who is in charge of the seeding will determine it the way they see fit. It is hard to seed anyone before they even get selected into the open. So we will all have to wait and see how it all plays out. Hopefully everyone plays well in the games ahead. I think it's close enough that the next games may determine the seeding.

I'm a fan of good ball coming from my team or anyone else's. I like the great, good, bad, and the worse.




Paytc
 
A part of it is seeding. Last year SHC's best player went down before the open ccs championsip two years in a row so they prolly shouldn't have been there to begin with but none the less had to go on the road. SI shouldn't have been there last year. Really the only 2 teams that were high quality were Salesian and C-let. Other than that no one had the talent. This years fiield is a lot more evenly matched and anyone can win. We will see who makes it to the seccond round this year and revisit the discussion. The way SHC is playing right now they can beat just about anyone
 
The only 2 high quality teams last year were CLET and Salesian? I'm confused.
 
The CCS is the only Open Division which includes the top eight teams in the section. It happens in football and basketball that the top seeded teams often get upset. St Ignatius was supposed to be the top seed but they finished 4th. They were beaten by Sacred Heart Cathedral & Eastside College Prep. Eastside College Prep upset Archbishop Mitty and lost by 2 points in overtime to Pinewood. Pinewood suffered an injury to their frosh post & high scorer in the OT...This could open the door to Sacred Heart Cathedral who have two good players over 6-1. Of course, Pinewood can beat anyone of a given night if they knock down 10 three pointers.

My final rankings of CCS:
#1-Pinewood
#2-St Ignatius
#3-Eastside College Prep
#4-Sacred Heart Cathedral
#5-Archbishop Mitty

If NCS had an Open Division, they would see how many top teams get upset...
BearTerritory
 
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