Riordan got screwed. Open champ and have to go to DLS. Tough
Anyone know why games starting at 6p instead of traditional 7p?
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Riordan got screwed. Open champ and have to go to DLS. Tough
Anyone know why games starting at 6p instead of traditional 7p?
University got royally screwed. Just won D4....Beat the hell out of Marin Catholic....their reward!
A 10 seed in D2
Meanwhile my Hall got a beautiful Bracket where they are the 3-seed, and I think wed be able to beat Cloverdale and/or Head-Royce....not to take away anything from those two teams!
A 10 seed in D2
Meanwhile my Hall got a beautiful Bracket where they are the 3-seed, and I think wed be able to beat Cloverdale and/or Head-Royce....not to take away anything from those two teams!
THESE PEOPLE ARE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS BEHIND COMPUTERS MAKING BRACKETS. Zero education on how to create a bracket based on SOS and simple logic.
Riordan a section open champ and isn’t top 4?!? It is what it is, I guess. This is a very different Crusader team that placed 2nd to Campo at the Gridley in December.
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Seeding is like being a game ref. No matter what ya do, huge numbers think you f'd up.
I wasn't happy when Campo got the 10 seed in D1 a couple years ago, but didn't make a lot of noise about it. Ya just go out and play whomever they stick out there for ya, wherever they put ya... And keep doing that til ya lose or ya run out of guys to beat. And that's what the Cougs did... So, there's that.
Interesting with the 6pm times; if traffic were fully up to what it was pre-Covid, that would make things pretty difficult for some teams with long commutes... But then, those same long-commute teams get home an hour earlier also. Maybe... Mt. Shasta is one heck of a drive from SF...
My only quibble re: the Open bracket is that I think Sacred Heart probably could have been the #8 to fill out that bracket instead of top-seed in D1.
Otherwise, be happy your team's in the playoffs and root 'em on!
I wasn't happy when Campo got the 10 seed in D1 a couple years ago, but didn't make a lot of noise about it. Ya just go out and play whomever they stick out there for ya, wherever they put ya... And keep doing that til ya lose or ya run out of guys to beat. And that's what the Cougs did... So, there's that.
Interesting with the 6pm times; if traffic were fully up to what it was pre-Covid, that would make things pretty difficult for some teams with long commutes... But then, those same long-commute teams get home an hour earlier also. Maybe... Mt. Shasta is one heck of a drive from SF...
My only quibble re: the Open bracket is that I think Sacred Heart probably could have been the #8 to fill out that bracket instead of top-seed in D1.
Otherwise, be happy your team's in the playoffs and root 'em on!
Here are my predictions for how the Norcal side of CIF will play out:
Open - CLOVIS WEST. Have a Final of Riordan vs. Clovis West with Clovis West Winning a close one. Campo gets the bye but a very tough draw in terms of potential opponents. On the Socal Side of the Open I like Sierra Canyon.
D1 - MIRAMONTE. Have a Final of Inderkum vs. Miramonte. Dougherty Valley maybe the most dangerous No. 16 seed in history, and I have them upsetting SHP in Rd 1.
D2 - UNIVERSITY. Have a Final of University vs. Bishop O'Dowd. Thats right a 10 vs. 13 Matchup in the Finals with Uni taking the Championship at Kezar. How Bellarmine(12-14) got seeded ahead of Bishop O'Dowd(17-10) is beyond me.....maybe the worst seeding i've ever seen.
D3 - PLEASANT VALLEY. Have a final of Pleasant Valley vs. Whitney. I am hoping both Oakland and Lincoln make some noise, but I have a feeling those other teams will have the height advantage. Pleasant Valley is a very good team having only 3 losses.
D4 - JUSTIN-SIENA. I have a final of Justin-Siena vs. Urban. I've seen both these teams play this year. Enterprise and University Prep got the byes, but I just think Siena and Urban are better teams. Urban will give Justin-Siena all they can handle, but I think in the end Justin-Siena will prevail.
D5 - Abstaining due to bias. But I think everyone knows who I think is winning this one.
Open - CLOVIS WEST. Have a Final of Riordan vs. Clovis West with Clovis West Winning a close one. Campo gets the bye but a very tough draw in terms of potential opponents. On the Socal Side of the Open I like Sierra Canyon.
D1 - MIRAMONTE. Have a Final of Inderkum vs. Miramonte. Dougherty Valley maybe the most dangerous No. 16 seed in history, and I have them upsetting SHP in Rd 1.
D2 - UNIVERSITY. Have a Final of University vs. Bishop O'Dowd. Thats right a 10 vs. 13 Matchup in the Finals with Uni taking the Championship at Kezar. How Bellarmine(12-14) got seeded ahead of Bishop O'Dowd(17-10) is beyond me.....maybe the worst seeding i've ever seen.
D3 - PLEASANT VALLEY. Have a final of Pleasant Valley vs. Whitney. I am hoping both Oakland and Lincoln make some noise, but I have a feeling those other teams will have the height advantage. Pleasant Valley is a very good team having only 3 losses.
D4 - JUSTIN-SIENA. I have a final of Justin-Siena vs. Urban. I've seen both these teams play this year. Enterprise and University Prep got the byes, but I just think Siena and Urban are better teams. Urban will give Justin-Siena all they can handle, but I think in the end Justin-Siena will prevail.
D5 - Abstaining due to bias. But I think everyone knows who I think is winning this one.
Ok being I am a WCAL homer, your telling me that Riordan is 5 and Mitty 6. It’s hard as hell to beat someone three times in the WCAL. But with my affiliation many years back with riordan, we had to hit the road to Enterprise, Foothill, then my alum SH in the NorCal finals and we came out on top. However we lost the CCS. The fact that Riordan has to hit the road as the winner and of all places has to play at De La Salle is a flat out joke. Riordan should be hosting.
Campo has been hanging on by a thread! Every single week. They've had a terrific year, but hard to see them going the distance. We'll see.
Every major question I have happens to relate to a WCAL team.
1) Riordan has to go on the road after winning CCS Open? They could have been elevated one seed and hosted De La Salle on Wednesday.
2) SI and Serra were basically inseparable in the regular season. SI finished a game ahead in the standings, Serra won two regular season meetings (one against an SI team missing five of its top seven to COVID and one where Serra was without Keyhani), and SI won in the playoffs. By that and their mutual result with Miramonte (SI beat Miramonte, Serra lost to them), they should have been separated by two or three spots with Miramonte in between them. Instead, there's Miramonte and another 10 teams between SI and Serra.
3) How is Vanden behind Bellarmine? Both teams played great schedules. Vanden is a section champion. Head-to-head, Vanden would win by ~15.
1) Riordan has to go on the road after winning CCS Open? They could have been elevated one seed and hosted De La Salle on Wednesday.
2) SI and Serra were basically inseparable in the regular season. SI finished a game ahead in the standings, Serra won two regular season meetings (one against an SI team missing five of its top seven to COVID and one where Serra was without Keyhani), and SI won in the playoffs. By that and their mutual result with Miramonte (SI beat Miramonte, Serra lost to them), they should have been separated by two or three spots with Miramonte in between them. Instead, there's Miramonte and another 10 teams between SI and Serra.
3) How is Vanden behind Bellarmine? Both teams played great schedules. Vanden is a section champion. Head-to-head, Vanden would win by ~15.
Agreed but I always say great teams find a way to win close games. It’s not by luck. Clovis West is the wildcard for me. Sheldon could go down to Fresno and win but that would be a huge ask given how hostile and crazy that place will be. But given Sheldons schedule it wouldn’t surprise me.
D3 I think is the most clear path with Whitney and PV.
Whitney got a gift getting pushed down.
One of the life dangerous games I see in round 1 is Inderkum vs Serra. Serra as a #15 seed has beaten 2 open teams this year (Mitty and Riordan) plus is battled tested in wcal. Strange things may happen early on if folks don’t come ready.
This tournament seeding continues to emphasize why I am not a fan at all of "competitive equity" Just have an open division for the top 8 teams in Nor Cal or So Cal and keep everyone else in their regular divisions by school size with the allowance of some of the private schools to move up. This is so messy and in my opinion does not improve the system one bit, and makes it worse.
Can’t argue that. Whitney a d3 team is a prime example for norcal.
They play in a mainly d1 league as a d2 team. Huge school that should be playing d2. Makes no sense.
Yea but when you have a school like Elk Grove who didn't even make the section finals get a #1 seed and Granite Bay who did make the finals be a #15 seed. You know someone screwed up.
How about the reward for winning NCS D1
Clayton Valley is a #14 seed and Dougherty Valley a #16 seed
This system has to change.
Clayton Valley is a #14 seed and Dougherty Valley a #16 seed
This system has to change.
A lot of these to pick, but this one stuck out to me. Oakland Tech beat Oakland in the section finals and won two of three meetings this year. For the past couple of weeks, they looked to have very similar resumes.
Come NorCal time, Tech is #8 in DIVISION I and Oakland is #2 in DIVISION III. How do you justify that much separation between two teams from the same bracket?
Come NorCal time, Tech is #8 in DIVISION I and Oakland is #2 in DIVISION III. How do you justify that much separation between two teams from the same bracket?
You make a fair point, but let’s also keep in mind that both of those teams finished in 4th place in their respective leagues…3 teams from each of those leagues were in the NCS Open
What about Sheldon. SJS said they didn’t beat anybody and gave them a 5 seed in sections. So now they win 2 games and are in the open. But team they tied in league is a 1 seed in D2 .
Others in Open
1 Campo #1 NCS
2 Clovis West #1 Central
3 Modesto # 3 SJS
4 DE La Salle #2 NCS
5 Riordan #3
6 Mitty #1 CCS
7 Sheldon #5 SJS
Others in Open
1 Campo #1 NCS
2 Clovis West #1 Central
3 Modesto # 3 SJS
4 DE La Salle #2 NCS
5 Riordan #3
6 Mitty #1 CCS
7 Sheldon #5 SJS
And wasn't VC only added to the open because Santa Cruz petitioned not to be in the Open....so a losing team, that spend the better part of the year trading the 7th and bottom spot in the WCAL, plays in the open ...and then gets a ride to the state tourney. I guess this is a one time anomaly in the way the scheduling worked out.
That said pulling for SPSV in the first round and hoping they can continue to use their good coaching, speed and athleticism to beat a large line up from VC.
Cannot please everyone. Always will be some sort of backlash with how seeding was determined. Quit the complaining and just play the freakin game. Let your team's play speak for itself. Theres no other way.
VC is not very good. and they don't play well on the road. SPSV should win easily
Riordan should be a 4
SI- Should not be a 3. More like a 6/7
Bellarmine should not be a 4 in D2.
There should be no bye's in Norcals.
But you have to play the game and anything can happen.
Riordan should be a 4
SI- Should not be a 3. More like a 6/7
Bellarmine should not be a 4 in D2.
There should be no bye's in Norcals.
But you have to play the game and anything can happen.
in D1 - I could easily see SI #3 lose to CVC #14 and Northgate #6 lose to Lincoln (Stockton) #11. I would have thought Lincoln would have been seeded higher.
How is Pleasant Valley in D3? You telling me they are the 40th best team in NorCals? Personally, I am all for putting them in D3 so at least the NorCal has a chance in the state finals but it seems more than a little off.
How is Pleasant Valley in D3? You telling me they are the 40th best team in NorCals? Personally, I am all for putting them in D3 so at least the NorCal has a chance in the state finals but it seems more than a little off.
Making the Crusaders travel to Concord is payback for 2020 when Riordan canceled their NorCal Regional game vs DLS at the Forum at the last minute due to Covid concerns ;-)
Open division in sectional play is usually an automatic bid to NorCal. This was done a couple years ago to entice teams to play in the Open Division
I guarantee if Grant had lost to Elk Grove Grant would not have been a number one seed in D2. some teams just get taken care of in the strangest ways
Are you saying Grant going to DI or Elk Grove getting the #1 seed. I think Grant was treated wrong. So by winning the DII section they are rewarded with a 7th seed in DI. Why not give them a shot at winning a state title at DII?
Because that's how this stupid system works now. Every year section winners and runner ups get bumped to higher divisions as middle to low seeds. The teams that loose in the semi's of sections end up with top seeds in their own division and end up with state titles. It happens all the way up and down the divisions. Stupidest sh*t I've ever seen...
Pull the top teams up to Open and let everyone else stay in original division. If you want to opt up a division before a season starts then allow so or have a model where winning so much bumps you up over time. This competitive equity model is terrible. I feel for schools like Grant! Win a section title and get punished!
The only NCS team (and I mean only) that got a favorable seed was Campo, and they were the total overall best team in the section. The crazy part is they may have to face a rival and a team that just lost to them by 1 point a week ago in the 2nd round. De La played Campo will and gave them all they had and their reward is to play a 1st round game and if they win, play the same team they lost to in the NCS Open finals.
There were NCS teams that got to the championship of their respective divisions and earned 14, 16 and 12 seeds. Imagine getting to the championship game of your division and after you won you find out you are a 14 seed.
There were teams in some sections that actually lost in the 1st round of their divisional playoffs, who got in with at large bids and got seeded higher than teams in other sections that WON section championships.
It's just plain stupidity
Sheldon was a 5 Seed in D1 (SJS) how the hell are they in the Open a week later? Either the SJS seeding committee is terrible or the CIF seeding committee is terrible. (or possibly both)
There were NCS teams that got to the championship of their respective divisions and earned 14, 16 and 12 seeds. Imagine getting to the championship game of your division and after you won you find out you are a 14 seed.
There were teams in some sections that actually lost in the 1st round of their divisional playoffs, who got in with at large bids and got seeded higher than teams in other sections that WON section championships.
It's just plain stupidity
Sheldon was a 5 Seed in D1 (SJS) how the hell are they in the Open a week later? Either the SJS seeding committee is terrible or the CIF seeding committee is terrible. (or possibly both)
Happened like that a couple of years back on the girls side. They both ended up winning state titles that year.
One of my favorites was from 2020. I'm good friends with the guy who was the head coach of Clear Lake, a public school of about 390 kids who lose to Stuart Hall in the NCS D5 final and gets a 10 seed in D4 for state and gets to travel 6 hours to Fresno! They beat a school with 2000 kids and then get one day off and then have to travel another 3 hours to San Francisco to play Lincoln, a school with 2200 and the Aquino brothers. While at the same time, the team they beat in the semi's, San Domenico, is going on and winning a D5 NorCal title...
