Clayton Valley gets 2yrs probation CIF/NCS

[Turfpellet]

Story was posted today that CVCHS has been given 2yrs probation.
link: http://claycord.com/2014/12/12/ncs-cif-places-clayton-valley-charter-high-school-on-probation-for-two-years/

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Probation sounds lenient to me. Surprised they were chosen for the Bowl play-in based on the infractions. It seems institutional.



"Over the last three years there have been a number of football transfers to Clayton Valley Charter High School, 15 in all. Four have been denied eligibility based on athletic motivation, which is 27%, almost eight times greater than the normal denial rate based on athletic motivation"Regarding date of determination, the date when students are declared eligible and ineligible - "While your school has the right to alter the date the fact that the request came from your football coach, and the date was changed to the Thursday prior to your school's football game with Concord High School, your closest football rival in the DVAL, is very concerning.""According to DVAL Commissioner Craig Lee, as Executive Director, you stated at least three times at a league meeting that the school's enrollment would not go higher than 1,999 so that the school's football program could stay in Division II. It is unclear how a school could make any enrollment decisions based on the athletic program, or a specific sport""conducted junior varsity and varsity football practices from June 2-4, 2014, prior to the allowed start date of June 5, 2014, which was changed from June 9th to June 5th on June 6th due to a miscommunication surrounding the final CIF event. The team also scrimmaged the Delta Warriors and Diablo Valley College during those dates. Clayton Valley Charter High School administration and coaching staff were made aware of the violation on June 4th when they were told the allowed start of practice is June 9th. The football team practiced again on June 5th after being notified."
The list even goes on.

 

[Cal 14]

This is actually an indictment of the NCS as much as anything else. At the vote for the regional games, the NCS commissioner had to have known this report was coming out. Yet, he still allowed CV to get and accept the nomination?

 

[bella123]

Originally posted by Cal 14:
This is actually an indictment of the NCS as much as anything else. At the vote for the regional games, the NCS commissioner had to have known this report was coming out. Yet, he still allowed CV to get and accept the nomination?

Cal usually agree with almost all your post, but kinda confused on this one. All I've seen this past week on the failure of the CCS and their playoff system (ie. alot of finger pointing that the section isn't taking care /supporting their teams). So the NCS puts forward / supports their section champ CVC (per SBC bylaw) and that's an issue? Whether or not this report was coming out or not! Unless the NCS had aspirations of stripping CVC of the title not sure what they were supposed to do! I've looked through the selection criteria for the SBG numerous times. I don't see the NCS (who I rarely support) doing anything, illegal, unethical or against any rules.

 

[Cal 14]

Originally posted by bella123:

Originally posted by Cal 14:
This is actually an indictment of the NCS as much as anything else. At the vote for the regional games, the NCS commissioner had to have known this report was coming out. Yet, he still allowed CV to get and accept the nomination?

Cal usually agree with almost all your post, but kinda confused on this one. All I've seen this past week on the failure of the CCS and their playoff system (ie. alot of finger pointing that the section isn't taking care /supporting their teams). So the NCS puts forward / supports their section champ CVC (per SBC bylaw) and that's an issue? Whether or not this report was coming out or not! Unless the NCS had aspirations of stripping CVC of the title not sure what they were supposed to do! I've looked through the selection criteria for the SBG numerous times. I don't see the NCS (who I rarely support) doing anything, illegal, unethical or against any rules.

Suitability to represent the CIF is theoretically one of the criteria. The NCS commissioner was getting ready to slap the wrists of CVC, but gave them some pie and cake before doing so. Either what they did was wrong, or it wasn't.

If the rest of the voters knew what was about to transpire (or perhaps, the NCS purposefully suspended the announcement until after the vote), I wonder if the rest of the CIF would have been on board with them.

 

[Cal 14]

That document was actually prepared in October and released to the public on December 4th, the Thursday before the NCS finals.

Sets a horrible precedent.

 

[renegades10]

I love the comment section and how quickly it turned to how does DLS get away with recruiting/why no investigation into DLS, etc... And the fact that Coach Murphy chimed in as well.

 

[NCSF]

10- Does that surprise you. Says everything about that program when the coach chimes in.

 

[renegades10]

I don't know, tough for a coach to sit and watch his name dragged through the mud by anonymous people. I thought he was cordial and extended an offer for people to come talk to him about it all.

 

[Golfpilot]

Clayton Valley needs to take their medicine and move on. Using the myth that another team does it is lame. I'm really not into the "I'm a victim" mentality that has been spreading around lately. 2 years of probation is light, Its the don't be stupid punishment. As long as they play by the rules, they shouldn't have any issues.

If you look at all the docs, there was also a pretty disturbing handout in their, giving free admission to middle schoolers and mentions on there that they are undefeated and #2 ranked team in DII. I understand if you are a public school sending to your mandatory feeder schools, maybe. But to be a charter school, uncalled for.

It is also disturbing that the school's authorities were quoted multiple times saying they would not allow the enrollment to go over 1999 so that they could remain DII... That doesn't sound like something in the best interest of academics.
This post was edited on 12/12 11:08 PM by Golfpilot

 

[paul_johnson884]

What CVC did is childs play vs what is happening in so cal.

Time to remove any restrictions on transfers. There is almost zero uniformity from section to section. Besides, who is Gil Lemmon or anyone else to tell parents where their kid should go to school. Unamerican.

 

[Golfpilot]

Originally posted by paul_johnson884:
What CVC did is childs play vs what is happening in so cal.

Time to remove any restrictions on transfers. There is almost zero uniformity from section to section. Besides, who is Gil Lemmon or anyone else to tell parents where their kid should go to school. Unamerican.

So-Cal is the Devil's office. Las Vegas is where he plays on the weekend.

Uniformity from section to section is needed, but I really don't want Nor-Cal to follow So-Cal in any manner.

 

[BayReporter]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-prep-sports-transfers-20140803-story.html#page=1

 

[bella123]

Originally posted by paul_johnson884:
What CVC did is childs play vs what is happening in so cal.

Time to remove any restrictions on transfers. There is almost zero uniformity from section to section. Besides, who is Gil Lemmon or anyone else to tell parents where their kid should go to school. Unamerican.

PJ,

Standing O, nailed it!

 

[Turfpellet]

CV should have been made ineligible for any post season play. Schools that that have a flipped attitude to rules and guidelines need to feel some pain. CV has much deeper problems besides the Athletic Dept. when you read the story.
The CIF and NCS socal and norcal are not in sync which adds to the general confusion as to following the rules. The attitude is also the kids should not pay for administrators misguided judgement.....Lots of Arrogant Buffoonery and Shenanigans within a school, But at some point a firm punishment is needed so that a attitude and cultural adjustment actually takes affect and that the school and athletic programs move forward in a positive direction.

 

[Paloma]

Agree with you here! Also hypocritical of NCS considering De La Salle has been doing this since the early 90's. NCS is pathetic.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Paloma - DLS does not do this. CVC activity is institutional as per the facts of the probation. They other thing DLS isn't or hasn't been put on probation. Get your facts straight.

 

[GloryDays98]

Gades- DLS got dragged into that conversation by the 10th post, that's impressive even by the cesspool standards of Claycord. I thought Murph (assuming it was really him) did a very good job inviting people to talk to him. Unfortunately Claycord is 95% anonymous troll posters, so really all he did was incite them further.

Paul- I agree 100%. The new transfer rules set by the CIF were supposed to make things more uniform. That is not working out in the slightest bit. In the absence of any undue influence by the football programs then transfers should be let through every time.

 

[GloryDays98]

Originally posted by Paloma:
Agree with you here! Also hypocritical of NCS considering De La Salle has been doing this since the early 90's. NCS is pathetic.

What's DLS been up to since the 90's?

Other than fielding fabricated recruiting accusations from folks like you?

 

[Paloma]

So De La Salle has been clean as a whistle and never did anything as blatant as CV has? My apologies! Where could I ever get such fabricated ideas from. Darn it to heck! Now that you say that, shame on you Tim Murphy and Clayton Valley!

 

[NCSF]

Paloma- Name the names or shut up and move on. Your incessant, whiny little B attitude has become tired. Here's one for you- just have your team you follow play better. Start with better coaching. I guarantee you if you flip DLS and Pitt coaching staffs, Pitt would win. Same goes for Folsom and Grant.

 

[GloryDays98]

Originally posted by Paloma:
So De La Salle has been clean as a whistle and never did anything as blatant as CV has? My apologies! Where could I ever get such fabricated ideas from. Darn it to heck! Now that you say that, shame on you Tim Murphy and Clayton Valley!

The same place that most baseless accusations stem from;

A jealous mind.

I played with zero guys at DLS that were recruited.

I played with over ten guys at LMC who claimed DLS recruited them, but they all declined to stay at their public schools like Liberty, Antioch, College Park, etc.

What are the odds?

Maybe that will help you out a little.

 

[sea1]

There needs to be a one uniform transfer policy for ALL ten CIF sections that is ultimately controlled
by the CIF state office. The CIF state office needs to be moved to the very central part of the state.

...if the above situations had happen in the CIFSS, any and all transfers would have been approved, at best
they would have had to sit out the first thirty days of the season,then they would be eligible for the rest
of their sports season EVEN WITHOUT moving/changing residence!

What's the deal with the NCS administration anyway?

(in the CIFSS, at most,CVC MIGHT have received a year probation, that's it!

 

[Trivalley]

Frankly the transfer rule should be simple. You can transfer to any school provided you meet the following:

1) transfer must be prior to the first non league game
2) student must have the minimum overall gpa to play whatever that is.

Say good bye to all the paperwork, extra meeting for hearings and legal fees.

 

[bodyguard]

Originally posted by Paloma:
So De La Salle has been clean as a whistle and never did anything as blatant as CV has? My apologies! Where could I ever get such fabricated ideas from. Darn it to heck! Now that you say that, shame on you Tim Murphy and Clayton Valley!

Well... the facts are most of the problems are from all these transfers and DLS rarely gets them. If DLS was getting a bunch of transfers every year then you'd have a good point. In fact the talent that transfers out of DLS is much more than transfers in.

 

[Paloma]

No need to name former players. You all will deny it any way. I undrstand they do not get many transfers coming in. But they do have players accepted to that school who wouldn't be accepted if they were not football players. Decades worth of players have been admitted to that school with far less academic criteria and had their schooling and other things payed for. I am not the only one that says or knows this either. Just one of the few that says it on here.

Regarding coachng, do you really think De La Salle beats Pittsburg 35-0 this year if Tagaloa and Asiasi were playing for Pittsburg? Are you telling me that Pittsburg defense isn't even more ridiculous with those two? Or Asiaisi at quarterback throwing to #15 and Parker?

 

[NCSF]

What I am telling you is to have a better program and they won't leave. Why wouldn't they go to DLS? Better opportunity to succeed in life, plain and simple.

 

[playsomeball]

Mustang fan here, but I want to give props to the teams in CV's league. Especially Concord who came the closest in league to beat CV....to all teams in that league you should be proud. You didn't have the same advantage as CV because you all have boundries AND you all played by the rules. It's hard to win against a team with no boundries, who can get anyone they want as long as they are D1 status to play for them. As I was watching the game last night I couldn't help to think about Concord and how close this team was in beating CV in league play..1 td..WOW!..must be one heck of a football team!!

This post was edited on 12/14 12:44 PM by playsomeball

 

[Paloma]

De La Salle makes your "LIFE" better? Ok, I have heard it all now.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Originally posted by paul_johnson884:
What CVC did is childs play vs what is happening in so cal.

Time to remove any restrictions on transfers. There is almost zero uniformity from section to section. Besides, who is Gil Lemmon or anyone else to tell parents where their kid should go to school. Unamerican.

I agree with you regarding SoCal (or NJ or FL or.........)

Doesn't mean that's a good thing

Gil Lemmon has never told anyone where to send their kids to school, but he has told parents that they can't transfer for athletic reasons and play a particular sport -- I'm not a constitutional expert, but I would infer as playing x sport at y school to fall under the "privilege" not "rights" category

 

[bayside101]

Most competitive teams recruit. Anyone that claims their team doesn't recruit is an Ostrich, they aren't lying they just don't know any better. Trust me people don't want me name dropping.(I have blood on my hands, as well)
People are right excuses are for losers we all need to learn how to be better coaches.
Murphy isn't being punished for recruiting, he is being punished for coming back north to push a political agenda. De La Salle is an exceptional program. Bob Ladoucer is the best coach to ever coach high school football, he built something truly great.

De La Salle wether they want to be or not is the NCS's golden goose, they get Phil Lemon his money, and CV has been running around playing with Phil's money, so while they turn a blind eye to most recruiting anyone that directly assaults Sparta gets hand cuffed, just like Concord a few years ago.

At Cal High the pop werner team was practicing during the summer, an NCS official walked by and couldn't tell the difference between high school and pop werner and we got reprimanded for having padded practice. I learned along time ago, the people in charge don't know much outside of politics.

Everyone involved needs to look in the mirror. Coaches are not gods they have to be held acountable and a lot of coaches take these kids personal and punish kids for being kids or just to make a point to the parents.
Parents, have to learn to be honest about their kid, coaches don't bench kids that are better than other players. They bench kids that are around the same, who's parents are a pain. Kids need to learn how to manage their feelings and so do parents, because that is life and letting your kid transfer multiple times, is a reflection on you, not the system. All these random third parties, need to start being held accountable. This is why you see kids being suspended for a year, it is a message to the third party, or invisible person.

We can try to put a lid on transfers all we want, the roof is coming off eventually and there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

Some personalities do not mesh, and some environments are better for kids than others and for that reason, kids should be able to transfer once in four years for sports related purpose's. The problem with allowing one transfer is people will abuse the rule and it will unbalance an already tilted field. So then the next step is that a school can only receive so many transfers in a single sport per season.

 

[BayReporter]

Know your facts, a few years ago Concord had an influx of starters from YV, Mt. Diablo, and Clayton. So before you praise their "clean program" know your facts. Their All-League stud tight end was a transfer, and more impactful than any transfer Clayton Valley had this year. As stated above, all of the competitive high school programs, are talking to the feeder programs, which is a VIOLATION, but the NCS had an agenda against CV along with a very disgruntled AD who was outed. Don't throw rocks, trust me your own high school is not above board.

 

[paul_johnson884]

Originally posted by DLSPop1314:
I agree with you regarding SoCal (or NJ or FL or.........)

Doesn't mean that's a good thing

Gil Lemmon has never told anyone where to send their kids to school, but he has told parents that they can't transfer for athletic reasons and play a particular sport -- I'm not a constitutional expert, but I would infer as playing x sport at y school to fall under the "privilege" not "rights" category

A "good thing" is subjective. I don't believe transferring is a "bad" thing. In fact, I believe there should be unlimited transfers. No restrictions. It is a freedom issue for me. I still can't understand limiting choice. (Where are those pro choice zealots.). The free market works if given time. It would be a great way to improve the public schools too.

Gil Lemmon is weak. He is letting the SS play by grossly different rules. Who cares what happens in Fla. in CA, NCS teams play SS teams for championships and Lemmon lays down. Lemmon also sat idle while other state commissioners lambasted R White form the Oakland section regarding the Davidson situation and to make matters worse, Lemmon aggressively pursued this Davidson situation even tho it wasn't his section. The NCs coaches/AD's need to open their eyes and wake Gil up.