Competitive Equity Questions

[Fentons Cream]

Going into tomorrows NorCal & SoCal seedings I was wondering;

1- Will they (committee) select the amount of teams that would go in said bracket 1st, then seed them after narrowing down to 16?
This is a big question for D-1 bubble teams. (DLS, Amador Valley, James Logan). 4 Auto Bids for NCS, SJS, CCS, Possible 1 Oakland Section Champ, will mean there will be a possible 3 to 4 spots that need to be filled to make a 16 team bracket. Will they give the 3 spots to the highest available at large teams from the sections regardless of division? Or will they stay with D1's only? Once you get the 16 teams you going with do you then seed them based on how they finished this season?


2-What will be considered a too high jump in competitive equity? Can a University team be put in D2? What about the winner of St. Joe's & SPSV? D2 or D3? Could Campo be in D1?


3- It would seem as though the margin is very slim between a #1 Seed in D3 and the #16 seed in D2. That would be a travesty knowing you were 1 team from being the best team in one division and the worse team in another division. Since Nor-Cal Finals are now played at higher seeds gyms this is tremendous.

4-Mission (SF) what will the CIF committee do with them? Defending D3 State Champs. Put them back in D3? High seed? Or do they move them to D2 with a middle of the pack seed?

What do you think?

 

[observer22]

Going into tomorrows NorCal & SoCal seedings I was wondering;

1- Will they (committee) select the amount of teams that would go in said bracket 1st, then seed them after narrowing down to 16?
This is a big question for D-1 bubble teams. (DLS, Amador Valley, James Logan). 4 Auto Bids for NCS, SJS, CCS, Possible 1 Oakland Section Champ, will mean there will be a possible 3 to 4 spots that need to be filled to make a 16 team bracket. Will they give the 3 spots to the highest available at large teams from the sections regardless of division? Or will they stay with D1's only? Once you get the 16 teams you going with do you then seed them based on how they finished this season?


2-What will be considered a too high jump in competitive equity? Can a University team be put in D2? What about the winner of St. Joe's & SPSV? D2 or D3? Could Campo be in D1?


3- It would seem as though the margin is very slim between a #1 Seed in D3 and the #16 seed in D2. That would be a travesty knowing you were 1 team from being the best team in one division and the worse team in another division. Since Nor-Cal Finals are now played at higher seeds gyms this is tremendous.

4-Mission (SF) what will the CIF committee do with them? Defending D3 State Champs. Put them back in D3? High seed? Or do they move them to D2 with a middle of the pack seed?

What do you think?

Darn good questions FC. We won't know most of this until tomorrow night.

I would hope that once all the auto bids are put in, and the committee finds they still need to add say 8 more teams, they would add the best teams available regardless of section. It remains to be seen if they will be adding the best teams available regardless of their divisions in their own section, or if they will take try to balance out the divisions by maybe taking some D5, D4 or D3 teams to try to even out the brackets. I would think most D1 teams that get in would remain in D1 or at lowest D2, and any D2 teams added late would either be D2 or D3, so it would seem the lower levels would be in need of more teams.

If they just decide to add the best teams available regardless of division, you would think that most of the teams added late would be D1 teams as the top lower level teams would have already qualified. But I suppose there could be some really good D3 or D4 team that is better than most D1 teams and somehow didn't qualify in their section. Time will tell.

 

[mlrei]

I do believe they are going to take all 88 qualified teams in the north and 88 teams in the south and rank them 1 thru 88, irrespective of what section, division, school enrollment, private or public, etc. The question is how are they going to assign a ranking to each of the 88 teams. I'm not certain if they are placing the Central Section teams into the north or south; they may split them as they do in football. However, since the socal teams are deeper than norcal teams, in general, my guess is they will likely place the Central Section teams in the north.

Open: #1 to #8
D1: #9 to #24
D2: #25 to #40
D3: #41 to #56
D4: #57 to #72
D5: #73 to #88

If they go by the Maxpreps rankings, for example, it appears as if Campolindo is ranked #19 in norcal, including the Central Section Teams which would put them in the lower side of the D1 bracket. I'm sure they are hoping for #25 to be the top seed in D2.

 

[observer22]

I do believe they are going to take all 88 qualified teams in the north and 88 teams in the south and rank them 1 thru 88, irrespective of what section, division, school enrollment, private or public, etc. The question is how are they going to assign a ranking to each of the 88 teams. I'm not certain if they are placing the Central Section teams into the north or south; they may split them as they do in football. However, since the socal teams are deeper than norcal teams, in general, my guess is they will likely place the Central Section teams in the north.

Open: #1 to #8
D1: #9 to #24
D2: #25 to #40
D3: #41 to #56
D4: #57 to #72
D5: #73 to #88

If they go by the Maxpreps rankings, for example, it appears as if Campolindo is ranked #19 in norcal, including the Central Section Teams which would put them in the lower side of the D1 bracket. I'm sure they are hoping for #25 to be the top seed in D2.

I think that is correct mlrei. What I was talking about was how they would round out the field once all the automatic bids are done, if there aren't the full complement of 88 teams.