D5 Lowell vs. Sierra Pacific
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Sierra Pacific leads 8-0 with 350 left Q1. Sophomores Alana Roberts and Celeste Lewis have all eight points.
Sierra Pacific leads Lowell 12-5 end Q1. Sierra Pacific shot 54 percent, but had 7 turnovers. Lowell went 1-for-12.
Sierra Pacific leads 18-5 with 347 left in the first half. There are two noteworthy players in this game and they are both for the Golden Bears. Roberts is a physical 5-foot-9 post while Lewis is a sleek 5-foot-9 guard with a decent handle
Sierra Pacific leads Lowell 22-12 at halftime. Lowell was 1-for-22 before making its last two shots of the half. Sierra Pacific up to 12 turnovers. They are outrebounding Lowell 27-9
32-16 Sierra Pacific lead with 242 left in Q3. Outside of Roberts and Lewis, Sierra Pacific has shot 3-for-17.
Lowell has no business playing for a "state championship".
This is ridiculous.
Competitive equity is a joke.
As I predicted earlier in the season the North is getting their ass kicked.
This is ridiculous.
Competitive equity is a joke.
As I predicted earlier in the season the North is getting their ass kicked.
Lowell makes a three in the final seconds to get the game back into single digits at 32-23 heading into Q4
Lowell was down 36-26 but Sierra Pacific has held them scoreless for more than four minutes and gone a 10-0 run to seal the win
Sierra Pacific doubles up Lowell 52-26. Golden Bears ended the game on a 16-0 run.
The 26 points is the lowest ever in a Division V state final
The 26 points is the lowest ever in a Division V state final
OK - well, based on what I saw of the team's Lowell played to get to the final, the other teams may not have done much better.
OTOH, if you don't have competitive equity (including no Open Division), then you have the Pinewoods (and other teams) that would roll through D5.
So, congrats to Sierra Pacific and Lowell for making it this far.
In 30 years, when players on both teams are well into mid life, they won't remember that they playing in a competitive equity environment. Sierra Pacific will remember the win and Lowell will remember making it to the title game.
I will remember the worst state championship game I have ever seen. Use competitive equity to bump teams up a division. This is a mess and led to poor championship games, especially D5.
This should be the system. Keep enrollments and make moves based on outliers (Pinewood for example).
if you "invent" a system that allows a D1 enrollment school (2700 students) into a D5 state championship game and they play the worst state championship game in Calif history then you obviously have a problem. AND quite frankly get what you deserve....
Streak One is correct the old system was better and only needed to be tweaked based on outliers like PW and ESP.
The NCS moves successful teams up divisions, the other sections could obviously do the same. Would anyone have complained if ESP was moved up to D4 or D3? I don't even think ESP would have minded after 3 straight state runs. They would have understood.
I called this months ago about how bad of an idea Comp Equity was up in the north....
How bad it would be for the North in the lower divisions...
WE JUST DONT HAVE THE DEPTH OF QUALITY TEAMS to fill out the lower brackets like the south does.
Look at D2...REDONDO was a D2 team in the south....they would have been a TOP 3 SEED in the NORTH in D1 !!!!
The North won the D3 girls because of a glaring misseed.....otherwise the girls get swept.
In the old sytem....this is how I see it playing out...
OPEN: PW.....loss
D1: ? ......loss
D2: MM..... underdog but with a def shot to win the game... 60/40 Redondo...so will say loss for arguments sake..... loss
D3: SHC, PV.....win
D4: ST. Joes, West Campus.... win
D5: Woodside Priory... win
So we win lower divisions and lose higher..... 3-3 and this type of a breakdown is about how it usually went in the state championship games in the past. And a pretty even split between public and privates in the north!!
SO LET ME CONGRATULATE ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT MADE IT TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES IN THE NORTH
CONGRATS TO:
OPEN: PINEWOOD....FOR being the TRUE NORCAL CHAMP
D1: SHC... for being the best of all the ABOVE AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D2: PL Valley..congrats on being the best of all the SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D3: West Campus... congrats on being the best of all the AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D4:Woodside Priory..congrats on being the best of all the BELOW AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D5:LOWELL.. congrats on being the best team of all the rest...THE LEFTOVERS THAT SOMEHOW QUALIFIED AND SQUEEKED INTO THE STATE PLAYOFFS.
Streak One is correct the old system was better and only needed to be tweaked based on outliers like PW and ESP.
The NCS moves successful teams up divisions, the other sections could obviously do the same. Would anyone have complained if ESP was moved up to D4 or D3? I don't even think ESP would have minded after 3 straight state runs. They would have understood.
I called this months ago about how bad of an idea Comp Equity was up in the north....
How bad it would be for the North in the lower divisions...
WE JUST DONT HAVE THE DEPTH OF QUALITY TEAMS to fill out the lower brackets like the south does.
Look at D2...REDONDO was a D2 team in the south....they would have been a TOP 3 SEED in the NORTH in D1 !!!!
The North won the D3 girls because of a glaring misseed.....otherwise the girls get swept.
In the old sytem....this is how I see it playing out...
OPEN: PW.....loss
D1: ? ......loss
D2: MM..... underdog but with a def shot to win the game... 60/40 Redondo...so will say loss for arguments sake..... loss
D3: SHC, PV.....win
D4: ST. Joes, West Campus.... win
D5: Woodside Priory... win
So we win lower divisions and lose higher..... 3-3 and this type of a breakdown is about how it usually went in the state championship games in the past. And a pretty even split between public and privates in the north!!
SO LET ME CONGRATULATE ALL THE SCHOOLS THAT MADE IT TO THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES IN THE NORTH
CONGRATS TO:
OPEN: PINEWOOD....FOR being the TRUE NORCAL CHAMP
D1: SHC... for being the best of all the ABOVE AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D2: PL Valley..congrats on being the best of all the SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D3: West Campus... congrats on being the best of all the AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D4:Woodside Priory..congrats on being the best of all the BELOW AVERAGE teams in the NORTH
D5:LOWELL.. congrats on being the best team of all the rest...THE LEFTOVERS THAT SOMEHOW QUALIFIED AND SQUEEKED INTO THE STATE PLAYOFFS.
come on clay.. high school sports are about us, the fans/parents/admin/coaches/trainers, not the kids..you know that!
Unfortunately, the Lowell disaster was predictable. It was a natural fallout caused by the politically-correct decisions to allow the AAA to have not one but two teams in the NorCal tourney and to permit each of them direct entry into the playoffs without a play-in game. Lowell wasn't even a AAA champion. Lincoln was. The AAA really isn't a CIF section at all. It's a single league _ and a quite weak one overall at that. It's much the same scenario surrounding the OAL and the alleged Oakland section. One league equals a section? Ridiculous. But, due to history and political pressure, don't expect the situation on either side of the bay to change anytime soon. It's not in the cards.
Damn, sour grapes? Why can't you just say congrats to all the teams that qualified for state this year? Northbayguru sounds like a Northbayhater! Not cool
Agree except for SHC. They did not face the any of the five other "ABOVE AVERAGE" teams that were pulled into the open. North should have 4 open teams, 12 D1 teams, 12 d2 teams and 16 in the remaining brackets. Allows 4 better teams to be in d1 and better teams in d2 and so on and so on.
Cardinal Newman lost in the first round of the Open to a nationally ranked team. Fifteen teams in the NorCal Division I playoffs lost as well.
Of course Newman shouldn't have been in the Open, and that's the biggest mistake I think the committee made. But by the same token, being in Division I was no guarantee of any greater success, though I guess playing a few more games, and practicing a few more times, has some value.
In the end, only seven playoff teams in the state wind up winning their last game, and only six win NorCal championships. Did Newman get hosed by the committee? Yes. Does that invalidate their season and their success? I don't think so. Did Lowell benefit from the new system? Yes. Did that invalidate their season and their success? No.
The focus on winning banners and winning titles is, I think, misplaced, though obviously important. What players and coaches remember more than wins and losses is the experience and the camaraderie, and that remains for the seven playoff teams that win their last game, and the 97 that didn't.
Of course Newman shouldn't have been in the Open, and that's the biggest mistake I think the committee made. But by the same token, being in Division I was no guarantee of any greater success, though I guess playing a few more games, and practicing a few more times, has some value.
In the end, only seven playoff teams in the state wind up winning their last game, and only six win NorCal championships. Did Newman get hosed by the committee? Yes. Does that invalidate their season and their success? I don't think so. Did Lowell benefit from the new system? Yes. Did that invalidate their season and their success? No.
The focus on winning banners and winning titles is, I think, misplaced, though obviously important. What players and coaches remember more than wins and losses is the experience and the camaraderie, and that remains for the seven playoff teams that win their last game, and the 97 that didn't.
I think there are two different conversations here:
First, it is the teams fault where they go. They are just playing the games scheduled and all six girls teams that played at Golden 1 this weekend will have tremendous memories. And those memories are what participating in high school sports is about.
Second, the CIF is trying to fix a dam leak with a band-aid. They are a couple of steps behind so with every new system, there are teams that can "game it" to their advantage. My issue is if you keep it enrollment based with a few teams moving up in these extreme circumstances, then I think we still get good brackets and teams have a better understanding of where they are going and who they are playing. It starts at the section level and I don't think the individual sections want to hand over control of their premier winter event.
First, it is the teams fault where they go. They are just playing the games scheduled and all six girls teams that played at Golden 1 this weekend will have tremendous memories. And those memories are what participating in high school sports is about.
Second, the CIF is trying to fix a dam leak with a band-aid. They are a couple of steps behind so with every new system, there are teams that can "game it" to their advantage. My issue is if you keep it enrollment based with a few teams moving up in these extreme circumstances, then I think we still get good brackets and teams have a better understanding of where they are going and who they are playing. It starts at the section level and I don't think the individual sections want to hand over control of their premier winter event.
not obvious. only if looking at this board, which says more about us posters than about importance.
which message would you like your daughter to get?
playing is more important than winning. or...
winning is more important than playing.
of course, it's not either/or, you can play and win, but it's about importance.
players are angelic compared to their "fans" in the stands. of course, the fans can't play, so...
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I think the CN and BOD among others will remember playing in a dysfunctional CIF playoff system. Lowell will remember making the state championship game.
In the last six years there have been three alterations to the playoff system just at the CIF State level. This does not count the countless section level changes. For a group that is trying to get it "right" they sure get it wrong a lot, deny they got it wrong but claim they have it right then change it to get it "right" again. The goal should not be to implement a new system and then tweak it. If it needs tweaked you did not do it right the first time.
to add to this, what about a daughter with goals of playing at the next level, which many have.. winning a title has little impact on that.
Play sports, enjoy it, strive to be your best (team and individually), and LEARN from the experiences, win or lose/ banner or no banner.
Keep in mind, the players that last in the last few weeks are assuredly getting or have gotten over the loss... adults on the other hand won't let it go
>I think the CN and BOD among others will remember playing in a dysfunctional CIF playoff system. Lowell will remember making the state championship game.
I doubt very much the first thing any player or coach will think about any season is CIF. They will remember the friendships, the camarderie, the fun, the commitment and the overall feel of the season. As I've mentioned, I ask coaches all the time what the record of their team was when they played in their junior year of high school. None of them can tell me, but they can all say whether they had a good experience.
I doubt very, very much that the players and coaches for CN and O'Dowd will define their season by what playoff bracket they were placed in. There are so many more important things to remember ...
I doubt very much the first thing any player or coach will think about any season is CIF. They will remember the friendships, the camarderie, the fun, the commitment and the overall feel of the season. As I've mentioned, I ask coaches all the time what the record of their team was when they played in their junior year of high school. None of them can tell me, but they can all say whether they had a good experience.
I doubt very, very much that the players and coaches for CN and O'Dowd will define their season by what playoff bracket they were placed in. There are so many more important things to remember ...
