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Dublin vs. Windsor

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Great game. Dublin won in OT. Highlights here: http://www.ysn365.com/video/video-windsor-shootout-dublin-vs-windsor-12-30-15/

I saw this game and while I agree those who have posted here that this is a down year overall for the NBL, Windsor may be the most highly skilled team the league has seen for a few years. Lots of kids who can score. They should do well in NCS if playing weak league teams for the next month doesn't make them complacent.
 
Windsor is going to be a tough out. Too much Timmy Falls in this one.

Quaffer wasn't Newman undefeated in league last year? Not taking anything away but if rubattino and Wallace were playing this would be a great battle.
 
I think they lost one game to Monty, another to Casa Grade, and maybe one to Windsor. There were 4 good teams. Newman will likely find a way to be #2 at the end but I don't think anybody can run with Windsor. Monty has some young talent but it's a rebuilding year for them. Ditto Casa. Rosa will be pretty good. They might give Newman a run for second place.
 
You are right. 11-2 in league lost to Windsor and Monty. They were 30-4 so I thought maybe they ran table.

Nice to see the parity in league. That would have been a real good Win for Windsor because Dublin is pretty strong.
 
Respectfully, I don't think Santa Rosa will be pretty good and I don't think they will give Newman a run for 2nd place

Windsor
Ukiah
Newman without Rubattino
Casa
Monty
Santa Rosa
Carrillo
Rancho
 
Ukiah? When is the last time they have been good.

I see Windsor, Newman, and everybody else.
 
Branson: Ukiah! That would be a surprise. They're pretty big and physical from what I hear, but they did lose to Analy, who lost to Rosa. But I guess it would be a nice change to see them be competitive in league in a major sport.

I have not seen Santa Rosa play. Just know and like a few players from years past. If you swapped SR and UK, then moved CN up a slot, we'd be in complete agreement. We'll see.
 
Analy is the second-best team in Sonoma County behind Windsor. I wasn't at the Santa Rosa game, but it's a great win for them. I would be interested to hear what happened in that game.

I watched Ukiah play Drake tough. It is more me not believing that Newman can put the ball in the bucket every night. I don't know who can pick up the slack when Baker is not on, or when teams take him out of the game and make someone else score.
 
welp, i nailed Ukiah

And i don't get Analy struggling with Sonoma and losing to Healdsburg - I must have caught them on a great night vs Miramonte

or i am just not good at this
 
Sounds like Windsor handled Newman pretty easy. (58-45) last night. I would say by year end this will be a better game as Rubbattino heals. Windsor is going to make some noise this year.
 
Gotta disagree, Larry. Windsor has too many weapons. Nobody in league gives them a game this year, including Newman.
 
Windsor may not lose a game in league. and most likely get a 1 or 2 seed in NCS D2. it depends on how El Cerritos
 
quaffer- I get Windsor is the top dog but its not like Newman lost by 30. I mean empire player of the year is back for his second game and is still getting into shape. I wouldn't be surprised if Newman played them very close by league end. I don't see anybody else coming close though. NBL is pretty bad this year. Fitchie picked the perfect year to jump ship.
 
I'll come back to this thread and snack on some crow in a few weeks if I'm wrong.

But it's not going to happen. Knight is at least as good offensively as Rubatino, and CN doesn't have anybody to match the combo of scoring ability and athleticism of Canady. Tucker is good for double digits most games too. And Johnson, who took a year off, is just getting comfortable and can score a ton as well. Unless 3 out of 4 of those guys have an off night I don't see them losing in league.
 
Branson, maybe you were onto something with Ukiah after all. Do you know if Rubatino played last night?
 
That was a bad loss for Newman. You almost wonder if its just better for a kid like Rubattino to just sit it out. Get better. Maybe go Juco and then low D1 or high D2. I thought for awhile he might be a D1 guy but he hasn't grown at all. If he was 6"4 it would be a different story but I'm pretty sure he's only 6"2. Newman is just a pretty average team without wallace and rubattino.

People should be talking about there girls team. That is a squad.
 
i just watched some bad preseason newman games - they have some big bodies, some quick guys, just not guys who can score. I thought Ukiah played a tough preseason and would turn it around in league.

i'm not in agreement that Rubbatino could play at a low D1. Maybe walk on to a squad and sit on the bench - and i dont think he would be a major contributor at D2 level. For sure i could see him at a D3 like Kenny Love. No disrespect, and i'm wrong more than half the time, just don't see D1, I see a volume shooter on Newman teams that didn't have many scoring threats.
 
Like I said, I thought he would have grown but he's not 6"4. At 6"2 he's a Sonoma State type guy. He can play in that conference. I'm not saying he will be a star but can have a role on a team. I actually liked Love a lot more. He took better shots and played within the game. He was also on better teams. Currently, He's the best player on a D3 team ranked #1 in the country. (whitworth) He's having a great college career. Perfect example of a kid who found the right home.

I watched that Newman vs Windsor game on Ysn. Rubattino is laboring big time. Like I said why even play at this point.... Get healthy and you still have a lot of hoops ahead of you.
 
Does anyone know if the calpreps freeman ratings are available anymore? I know maxpreps is now featuring some rankings and they seem a little bit all over the map. I see Windsor is now listed as the 1 seed in NCS division 2, but they are rated behind El Cerrito in the national rankings ,california rankings and NCS rankings?

It looks like Windsor "should" run the table, they will still have to beat Newman two more times including the league tournament and dodge a scrappy Monty team that seems to play well at their home gym despite their record. I don't think the rest of the league poses a threat.

I'm just trying to figure out if they have a shot at the 1 seed if they run the table? It seems that every year the section puts a lot of stock in the rankings and like I said they seem to be a little contradictory. I'm not sold on the jags but they are dangerous, anyone have any thoughts?
 
I've seen EC play a few times. I have a hard time believing Windsor could hold them in check. They are super athletic and have good size and feature one of the better players in NorCal (Sayeed Pridgett). EC record is very misleading.
 
EC has gone 5 -7 against top 100 talent non league. Very challenging schedule. They beat Compton, Woodcreek, Torrey Pines and now Albany NY. Their losses against top 100 teams are for an average of 2 buckets. I can't fathom why these rankings have them over 100. They really are a nice team.
 
I am willing to concede that El Cerrito is more than likely the best NCS division 2 team this year but I wonder how the seedings are going to shake out. It will be interesting how the ncs committee ranks the top 3 schools ( windsor, Newark and El Cerrito). This I how I see it ...

1 Windsor
2 Newark
3 El Cerrito

Although I don't believe Windsor is the best team and might actually be the worst of the bunch Windsor will have the following going for it. They will have the most wins out of the three teams (possibly 25-3 if they run the table). They will be undefeated against division 2 opponents. They will more than likely be the only league champ, granted in a watered down league (nbl is down this year).

Couple this with the fact that Newark defeated El Cerrito, I find it hard to believe that El Cerrito gets ahead of Newark with a head to head loss ( which in my opinion the committee should give the most consideration). That leaves Newark and Windsor for 1 and 2 consideration since there is no head to head you go to common opponents there is only.one concord, which Windsor has a win and Newark a bad loss. Couple this with the above I believe Windsor has a legitimate claim.

Let me also say that I have the upmost respect for what El Cerrito has done this year as far a scheduling goes. They have definitely played a top tier schedule and it should serve them well when it comes time to actually decide the games on the court. That said it is difficult for a committee to reward a team for a difficult schedule if they don't win those games. Close losses are still losses. There schedule may hurt them when it comes to ncs selection sunday. Any thoughts?
 
sonomaguy, you probably are correct about how the committee views things. Human beings sometimes do better than computers (maxpreps). Concord is another team with an average record but a fairly tough schedule. I have respoect for those teams that put preparation ahead of fluffing a win/loss record. I haven't seen Windsor play, but I've seen the other three and they all can win on any given day.
 
Windsor is no push over. El cerrito will have to play a good game to beat them. Let me say that. If Pridgett plays well and is clicking things go well. But I've seen the wheels come off the bus like the Jesuit game in the first half and if they play that way Windsor can beat them. I really like there off guard grey as well. Looks like a jr high kid but can flat out score.
 
I shouldn't speak about the teams i haven't seen, but you have Mt. Eden getting past what I see as their biggest challenge left - a good Piedmont team, the best Piedmont team I've seen in a while. Even if they drop a couple and still win their league, I could see the committee rewarding them.
 
Branson Fan

Mt Eden will also have a very good win total at the end of the year. I see they lost to a very good division 5 team cloverdale.That being said cloverdale is at best an average team in the grand scope of things. I'm not sure if it was an off night? In my humble opinion based on a small sample size is clearly a step behind Windsor and like I said I feel like Windsor would need a perfect storm to knock off a tough battle tested El Cerrito squad
 
here's a scenario: EC, playing in a tough TCAL and finishing at .500 in league and just over .500 on the year drops to #4 behind Windsor, Mt. Eden, and Newark and faces Windsor, in Windsor, in the semis - but I should not even be talking without seeing EC. I can say that crazy things have happened to talented teams when they come to the north bay at playoff time, but that has nothing to do with these teams this year. Taylor can coach, and he finally has a squad to work with.

I'm not saying if I were on the committee that I would rank EC #4, but there is some metric they use that values certain things over others, which leads to some questionable rankings and grumbling from guys like us.
 
Welp, feeling good about my NBL predictions. Windsor still undefeated in league. Got their only tough game from 7th place Carrillo. Rosa tied with Newman for 2nd place. When Rosa beat Newman supposedly nobody at the school knew when was the last time that happened. Ukiah and Monty likely to go down to the wire for 4th and last playoff spot. The 2nd half games among those 4 should be intense. Yes, it's a down year in the NBL but still pretty interesting.
 
Oh, sorry, now I got you and you're right - SR did not beat Newman. I was thinking of piece in YSN365 about Rosa not beating Monty as far as anyone remembers. So I was wrong about that, but the larger point stands: SR is tied with Newman for 2nd place as of now, and that's the first time I've correctly predicted anything ever. For now, at least.
 
Quaffer- You were right. Windsor pretty much smacking everybody this year in a weak NBL. Newman lost by 20 last night and they are probably the 2nd place team in that league. Would have been interesting if the 2 newman kids didn't get hurt but hats off to Windsor. They are going to surprise some folks. What I've noticed is over the years there are 1-2 very good teams that come out of the NBL or MCAL and they often get no press. Whether its Newman, Analy, Monty, Marin Catholic, and now Windsor. They will make a deep run in the playoffs and open up some eyes on this board.
 
Yup, not even one close game in league so far. Carrillo was within 2 points late in the 4th but that's about it. Their big challenge is going to shifting out of low and into overdrive once the playoffs arrive.
 
A bag of coal! Ha ha... Hey, when is the last time Ukiah swept Newman in league? Gotta think back to the days of the old Ukiah teams will Bill Heath. The league was down a lot this year but that is not taking anything away from a very good and dangerous windsor team.
 
I have only been watching NBL/SCL for the past 6 years

I will thread hijack - the people i talk to say Erickson from Piner is the best coach in Sonoma County. I have not been around for any good Piner teams.
 
Branson, I think we were both right this year in that both Ukiah and Rosa made big strides toward at least respectability which in both cases is a very good start. And I think there's another one on the horizon: I liked what I saw from Rancho this year. The new coach seems to have at least some of the players buying into a system and playing with focus and discipline, unlike what I saw in years past. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that in 2016-2017 they get their first league win in forever.

Looking forward to see how Windsor does in NCS.
 
The NBL is a league with some very good coaches. Erickson would win a lot at a different program. Piner just doest have the personnel. Bonfigli has 700+ career wins and will finish probably in the top 10 in the state when its all said and done. Pretty hard to argue with that. They lose there 2 best players and will still win 20+ games this year. Look for Tiedeman to become an elite coach after taking over a great program that Fitchie built. There isn't a better hoop IQ in sonoma county than that family. Don't know enough about Windsor and Casa but they have done good in recent years.
 
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