Folsom v. Woodcreek Feb 10 at Folsom
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Folsom will most likely be 12-0 at the end of league. The only 2 teams to play them close have been Granite Bay-lost to them by 7 in overtime at home and Nevada Union lost to them by 5 at Folsom after being down by 2 with 20 seconds left. Woodcreek should finish 2nd in league unless they lose to Nevada Union again. Granite Bay should finish 3rd unless they lose to Nevada Union again. If NU wins their last 3 games they will finish 2nd.
My information about Granite Bay vs. Folsom was incorrect. Granite bay lost 74-68 (6 points) and the Game did not go into overtime. The game that went into overtime last week was Woodcreek vs. Oakridge at Oakridge. Woodcreek won in overtime 71-68.
The Games Wednesday the 10th are
Woodcreek @ Folsom
Rocklin @ Nevada Union
Del Oro @ Granite Bay
League records are
Folsom 9-0
Woodcreek 7-2
Nevada Union 5-4
Granite Bay 4-4
Del Oro 3-6
Oak Ridge 3-7
Rocklin 1-9
predicted finish
Folsom 12-0
Woodcreek 9-3 or 8-4
Granite Bay 7-5 or 6-6
Nevada Union 7-5 or 6-6 (8-4 if they beat Granite Bay and Woodcreek again)
Del Oro 3-9 or 4-8
Oakridge 3-9 or 4-8
Rocklin 1-11
The Games Wednesday the 10th are
Woodcreek @ Folsom
Rocklin @ Nevada Union
Del Oro @ Granite Bay
League records are
Folsom 9-0
Woodcreek 7-2
Nevada Union 5-4
Granite Bay 4-4
Del Oro 3-6
Oak Ridge 3-7
Rocklin 1-9
predicted finish
Folsom 12-0
Woodcreek 9-3 or 8-4
Granite Bay 7-5 or 6-6
Nevada Union 7-5 or 6-6 (8-4 if they beat Granite Bay and Woodcreek again)
Del Oro 3-9 or 4-8
Oakridge 3-9 or 4-8
Rocklin 1-11
The SFL record against everyone else is as follows
North Coast Section-12-8
WCAL-1-2 (all against St. Francis)
San Joaquin Section-40-15
North Section-2-0
Southern Cal-4-1
Out of State-6-4
The record against everyone else for the projected top 4-Folsom(13-2), Woodcreek(10-5), Granite Bay(13-2) and Nevada Union(11-4) is a combined 47-13.
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Nevada Union lost to Granite Bay 62-56 @ Granite Bay tonight. That puts NU in 4th and G. Bay in 3rd.
Woodcreek has a kid who will play professionally some day. Stuff happens when you have a superstar on your team.
Before you get too excited, reports are that 3 of Folsom's starters did not play, do not know which ones. Folsom is real good this year but they are not real deep. On another note Nevada Union managed to lose a home game to Rocklin last night so now the best they can finish is 6-6 and that is not likely since they play Woodcreek at Woodcreek. Del Oro or Oakridge could end up tied with NU if one of them wins their last 2 games but NU would win the head-to-head since they beat both of them the 2nd time they played them.
I knew something was missing (regarding Folsom)... I need to start taking notes. When you see as many games as I do, they all sort of run together.
Anyway, I know one guy was on crutches, a senior who (allegedly, according to the Senior Night announcer) got injured trying to dunk over Jordan Ford in practice. No idea if any of that was true, but he was indeed on crutches. Can't remember his name, either.
Also, with a minute to go in regulation, Jared Wall had his bell rung bigtime and he was laid out on the floor for several minutes before going straight to the locker room. He was still in the locker room when the game ended... Hope he's okay.
Anyway, I know one guy was on crutches, a senior who (allegedly, according to the Senior Night announcer) got injured trying to dunk over Jordan Ford in practice. No idea if any of that was true, but he was indeed on crutches. Can't remember his name, either.
Also, with a minute to go in regulation, Jared Wall had his bell rung bigtime and he was laid out on the floor for several minutes before going straight to the locker room. He was still in the locker room when the game ended... Hope he's okay.
Thanks for providing some of that feedback. Folsom is not deep and overall they are small. But they all can flat out play and 3 of them if not 4 will play at the D1 or D2 level after HS. (Ford, Wall, Finch, Mason) If you have kids that will play in college and are well coached good things happen.
I agree completely with you. I think Alec Andrews has the ability to play at the next level as well. One thing that they all have in common is the ability to play lock down defense and they play great team defense as well. Last time we played Folsom the score was in single digits most of the first qtr. They were not scoring much but they were not letting us score much either.
lmao. Folsom had everyone last night. The senior on crutches probably averages 1.8 minutes/game and he got hurt before practice and i highly doubt he can even touch the rim let alone try to dunk on anyone. Jordan Brown got the superstar treatment at Folsom but the difference was that WC guards stepped up. At WC their guards were non-factors so Brown getting superstar treatment didnt matter much cuz Folsom was up by 15-20 most of the game, but last night two of their guards played big and Folsom had a couple key players checked out the whole game. Big win for WC but honestly Brown did was he was supposed to do but the guards were the difference.
KPCARTER looks like you talk to the wrong people. All 5 starters played. A simple check of the box score would tell you that.
KIDDMAN i don't know what was going on up there but i hear some drama unfolded. Woodcreek was up 10 in last couple minutes. Folsom hits a 3, Wall comes up like he's gonna faint, Woodcreek coach gets a T for talking to his team at midcourt and Folsom hits both FT's takes it out and hits a 3. Essentially an 8 point play. Anyone care to share........
Larry Legend wall committed to Menlo NAIA so you can cross him off the list.
KIDDMAN i don't know what was going on up there but i hear some drama unfolded. Woodcreek was up 10 in last couple minutes. Folsom hits a 3, Wall comes up like he's gonna faint, Woodcreek coach gets a T for talking to his team at midcourt and Folsom hits both FT's takes it out and hits a 3. Essentially an 8 point play. Anyone care to share........
Larry Legend wall committed to Menlo NAIA so you can cross him off the list.
It was the worst T in the history of sports. 10 point game, Wall hits 3, WC coach gets T, Folsom hits both FT's and gets the ball back and hits another 3, then next play the game is tied. All within a minute. Game winning shot by #2 on WC was the most obvious travel I've seen but Ive seen worse calls this year. Cant let the refs decide.
Yeah I guess our coach told me the wrong info and I did not check the box score. My bad. Heat, do you still think Nevada Union will finish 6 or 7 in league.
KP, everyone makes a mistake. Do not let it happen again.
I thought Folsom's guard play would be the difference. Good to hear other WC players stepped up. Agree with you Legend, Brown will be an NBA player.
However, I do not think Folsom's lost takes them out of the Open Division. What it does demonstrate is high school basketball in Northern California this year has many good teams but no real clear cut heavy weight.
I thought Folsom's guard play would be the difference. Good to hear other WC players stepped up. Agree with you Legend, Brown will be an NBA player.
However, I do not think Folsom's lost takes them out of the Open Division. What it does demonstrate is high school basketball in Northern California this year has many good teams but no real clear cut heavy weight.
Agreed. Definitely not like last year or the years before with ODOWD and MITTY. Will make it very interesting come playoff time. Somebody gets hot at the right time and you never know.
I'm actually surprised Folsom is this good after losing their 2 big kids from last year. One was 6"5 240 lb football kid but was physical/athletic and the other was 6"9 and ended up at Portland. Size helps.
I'm actually surprised Folsom is this good after losing their 2 big kids from last year. One was 6"5 240 lb football kid but was physical/athletic and the other was 6"9 and ended up at Portland. Size helps.
Big win for Woodcreek!! Tough loss for Folsom. I think Folsom will be just fine though. Folsom did beat Sheldon twice since last season with some different pieces this season on the team but still got it done against Sheldon, who by the way handled Woodcreek in playoffs last season. Just my humble input.
Losing to Woodcreek is not a surprise. They have a very good team that will have 4 out of 5 starters back next year and will be one of top teams in state. It's just not their time this year. The earlier poster was correct guard play. Folsom guards had a off night, it happens. Here is my take on that, folsom has to find a way to get more touches/ shots for finch, bottom line. There are a couple of teams out there that are going to make life hard for Ford and he is not walking out the gym in a playoff situation against those teams with 30 plus points. Wall shot attempts have doubled this year but finch is still the same as last year. He and Ford should both average 20pts a game. Forbes is going to be a great player, yeah he played good against Robinson from MC. But asking him to stop a Brown, Frayer, or Young is too much. Folsom goes as far as Ford and Finch take them. I like Wall but his Antics which a lot of you call grit and hustle won't work against a team with good guards. Ex. (Redondo Union) . Tough loss, but good chin check for Folsom. They will regroup in what stands to be a hellacious sjs D1 playoff. BTW Roberts hit a huge shot , but that James Brown slide was even better! (Travel). Lol! D1 sjs is a toss up.
Passfirst I agree with you!!! In my opinion, Folsom will go as far as Ford and Finch can take them. With that being said, Folsom BETTER find a way to help Finch get more involved offensively. Let's not forget about the team concept here, but come on now, I've seen Finch handle himself against some of the most elite guards in the country.
Finch is one of these under recruited guys. Not sure why?? Maybe not a true 1 but I agree with you. He's very good. Wall is a kid who plays on the edge. If he loses it look out. He can get T up and tossed. If he's on the spark is what ignites them. But ultimately they don't have the size in the front court. I think that will catch up to them.
Well we'll well KPCarter, since you asked ""do you think we'll finish 6 or 7 you have lost 4 straight
If you go back and read I actually said you would be lucky to finish 6 and I also said you would barely be top 20 in Sac. What I was saying is you would be in a dog fight and no where near that 21 rank nationally. Looks like my prediction was closer than you give credit. I expected del oro to do more. How close were you to your prediction since you were 5-4
I was wrong . I gave you credit saying you would barely be top 20 in Sac. I believe you be outside top 20 next rankings
Since you are now tied with Oak Ridge do you know the tie Breaker for the 4th automatic playoff spot
If you go back and read I actually said you would be lucky to finish 6 and I also said you would barely be top 20 in Sac. What I was saying is you would be in a dog fight and no where near that 21 rank nationally. Looks like my prediction was closer than you give credit. I expected del oro to do more. How close were you to your prediction since you were 5-4
I was wrong . I gave you credit saying you would barely be top 20 in Sac. I believe you be outside top 20 next rankings
Since you are now tied with Oak Ridge do you know the tie Breaker for the 4th automatic playoff spot
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I see some questions as to who was sick. Well it was Ford who battling the flu and missed a game and about a week of basketball. He was definitely not himself…very passive offensively. A valiant effort I thought overall, however Ford had limited energy…a hanging on type of performance. Ford was not playing in an up tempo fashion that he is known for which was my clue something was off. I thought Woodcreek caught a break with Ford’s condition, but we had enough talent to get it done at home and we didn’t. No excuses.
Truth be told, while we are re-hashing old news...Folsom's lost to WC hurt their seeding chance and Sheldon would love to get one more crack at us which is going to sell tickets. Even though Modesto's only loss is to Folsom and Folsom beat better quality teams (MC,Sheldon, St. Francis) as well as MC having a weak schedule, its hard to say we deserve #1. Losses to Freedom, and Woodcreek show our weakness and thats depth. We were not 100% both those games and we lost by 3 points combined. We should have won both games by at least 30 combined.
Either way both semifinals and finals for D1 SJS will be off the chain and whoever gets #1 seed better watch out because the winner of the #2/#3 game will be well-prepared and battle-tested.
Either way both semifinals and finals for D1 SJS will be off the chain and whoever gets #1 seed better watch out because the winner of the #2/#3 game will be well-prepared and battle-tested.
We will finish 4th because we won the 2nd game with Oak Ridge. My predictions would have been very accurate if we had not lost to Rocklin. That was a game we should not have lost. It was senior night and every senior decided to play hero ball instead of our usual pretty decent team ball and Rocklin took advantage and took it to us. If you look at Rocklin's record (or most anybody in the SFL) there were a lot of games that could have gone either way. Last night Oak Ridge beat Granite Bay. I believe Del Oro suffered because their football players came to the team very late and then in the middle of the season Trey missed 2 games to attend an all-star football game so they never really had the chance to jell as a team. I do agree that we were no where near that #21 ranking and if you read my posts you will see that I made fun of it as well. I do think that the SFL was tough from top to bottom this year and NU went from 1-11 last year to 5-7 this year and beat everyone once except for Folsom and we were only down 2 points with 20 seconds at their place and had a chance to win but blew it.
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I am not sure where you are getting your info from but in the SFL when 2 teams split and have the same record the team that wins the 2nd game is placed ahead for playoff purposes but even if you want to call it a tie we still get in the playoffs because of our division ranking and Oakridge gets in because of their division ranking. First time NU has been in the playoffs in a while. We may or may not win any games but we are glad to be finally heading in the right direction.
So I just found out that the 2nd criteria means our records against the three teams ahead of us. Our's is 2-4 and Oakridge is 1-5 and that is why we are 4th. Thanks coach!
Sounds good. I do not know if you still follow Sheldon but it would sure be nice to see them and Folsom play again. I think that would be quite the game.
Here is the info from the SFL site regarding ties
1) Greatest number of wins within the tie.
2) Greatest number of wins above the tie.
3) Greatest number of wins versus the highest-placed team above the tie.
Greatest number of wins below the tie starting with the next-placed team below the tie and moving downward.
If a tie still exists, then there will be a coin flip conducted by the League President in the presence of representatives from schools involved.
I was referring to the 2nd criteria-greatest number of wins above the tie. The 3rd criteria is only the highest placed team above the tie.
Oakridge is the 5th place team and goes to the play-offs based on their ranking in SJS D1
1) Greatest number of wins within the tie.
2) Greatest number of wins above the tie.
3) Greatest number of wins versus the highest-placed team above the tie.
Greatest number of wins below the tie starting with the next-placed team below the tie and moving downward.
If a tie still exists, then there will be a coin flip conducted by the League President in the presence of representatives from schools involved.
I was referring to the 2nd criteria-greatest number of wins above the tie. The 3rd criteria is only the highest placed team above the tie.
Oakridge is the 5th place team and goes to the play-offs based on their ranking in SJS D1
This should be a dead issue but since you insist on bold facing I'll say still get your facts together. What you wrote is incorrect. Head to head is #1. #2 is number of wins within the tie and LIKE I SAID( see I can bold also.) Number 3 is you bolded #2
You said you don't know where I get my info from so I told you and you still can't get it right. I would have copy and pasted it for you but the website doesn't allow it.
You said you don't know where I get my info from so I told you and you still can't get it right. I would have copy and pasted it for you but the website doesn't allow it.
I wrote exactly what was on the website regarding ties but I see your point about head to head and will agree that if you include it then what I wrote would be wrong. So I will stop now.
