Gregori 2022 G Kyle Monk has committed to Fresno Pacific
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What a steal. This kid can flat out hoop. He can play both guard spots, is long and athletic, and can shoot. Fresno Pacific is solid. They have wins over a handful of schools like cal st East bay, sf state, Stanislaus , Azusa pacific, etc.
congrats
were d1 spots chasing him? there are 300 d 1 schools. you mean to tell me he couldnt play at any of them?
No real insight on who he was in contact with. Could he play? I'm not sure. Be on the team probably. Should definitely get mins as a frosh at FP. Point being go where your wanted and a priority recruit instead of a roster spot guarantee.
I know most of the high D2’s were looking at him (some offered) from CCAA. Kid has a lot of game but I don’t think many d1 teams (if any) were in real pursuit. Also goes to show you how good you have to be to play at next level. Watch some film and athletically he’s d1. Most likely just not quite size for a big guard at d1 level. Fresno Pacific has a nice program. Very solid.
So, no disrespect to anyone on these message boards because I totally appreciate everyone's opinions and love for basketball! Why else would we be on these boards.
However, as an old, retired and basketball loving fool, there is some perspective on this age old back and forth about D1 vs. D2 vs D3 that I would like to share because it drives me nuts.
Let's look at the facts...
HS players NCAA % of HS % of HS % of HS %of HS
spots to NCAA to D1 to D2 toD3
This means that across all three division in the NCAA only 3.5% of the kids get "accepted" or offered a spot to play at the college level. This is an acceptance/ "success rate" that is more difficult than getting into an Ivy league school (relatively speaking).
So I want to leave you with a few things to consider in regards to D1...D2 or D3
1) just to get a roster spot is a very very difficult undertaking and a huge accomplishment;
2) to get a scholarship to go play at either a D1 or D2 is even more difficult (no athletic scholarships at D3);
and
3) this 2022 class has had to endure 2 years of a pandemic which wreaked havoc on recruiting HS players due to lack of travel, visibility and lost seasons. Add in the fact that existing college players received another year of eligibility and that the transfer portal became a major recruiting avenue for colleges due to transfer rule changes and these roster spots that the bay area kids are being offered are even more rare.
As I have watched many of these kids through their HS playing time all of them could play college ball at a highly competitive level and many more than you think had D1's interested.... but I am sure a lot of their decisions came down to playing time, access to coaching staffs, the overall education and a host of other factors.
So D1 D2 D3 who cares????
Kudos to these kids from the Bay Area as they are truly in rarified air!
Monk - Committed to FP w/ multiple offers
Girish - Committed to Colorado School of Mines w/multiple offers
Murphy - Offers from Pt. Loma and Dominican (not committed)
Heimbrodt - Offers from Sonoma State and Stanislaus State (not committed)
Brachan - Committed USF Dons w/multiple offers
Mahaney - Committed St. Mary's w/multiple offers
Braccia - Committed Belmont w/multiple offers
Emmerson Hardy - Multiple offers (not committed)
Pope - Multiple offers (not committed)
Dargan - Multiple offers (not committed)
Bessire - Committed to Bowdoin
Frye - Committed to Claremont McKenna
I am sure there are a few I missed and I am sorry for missing them....
and I hope this gives context on the whole division stigma -
However, as an old, retired and basketball loving fool, there is some perspective on this age old back and forth about D1 vs. D2 vs D3 that I would like to share because it drives me nuts.
Let's look at the facts...
HS players NCAA % of HS % of HS % of HS %of HS
spots to NCAA to D1 to D2 toD3
| Basketball | 540,769 | 18,816 | 3.5% | 1.0% | 1.0% | 1.4% |
This means that across all three division in the NCAA only 3.5% of the kids get "accepted" or offered a spot to play at the college level. This is an acceptance/ "success rate" that is more difficult than getting into an Ivy league school (relatively speaking).
So I want to leave you with a few things to consider in regards to D1...D2 or D3
1) just to get a roster spot is a very very difficult undertaking and a huge accomplishment;
2) to get a scholarship to go play at either a D1 or D2 is even more difficult (no athletic scholarships at D3);
and
3) this 2022 class has had to endure 2 years of a pandemic which wreaked havoc on recruiting HS players due to lack of travel, visibility and lost seasons. Add in the fact that existing college players received another year of eligibility and that the transfer portal became a major recruiting avenue for colleges due to transfer rule changes and these roster spots that the bay area kids are being offered are even more rare.
As I have watched many of these kids through their HS playing time all of them could play college ball at a highly competitive level and many more than you think had D1's interested.... but I am sure a lot of their decisions came down to playing time, access to coaching staffs, the overall education and a host of other factors.
So D1 D2 D3 who cares????
Kudos to these kids from the Bay Area as they are truly in rarified air!
Monk - Committed to FP w/ multiple offers
Girish - Committed to Colorado School of Mines w/multiple offers
Murphy - Offers from Pt. Loma and Dominican (not committed)
Heimbrodt - Offers from Sonoma State and Stanislaus State (not committed)
Brachan - Committed USF Dons w/multiple offers
Mahaney - Committed St. Mary's w/multiple offers
Braccia - Committed Belmont w/multiple offers
Emmerson Hardy - Multiple offers (not committed)
Pope - Multiple offers (not committed)
Dargan - Multiple offers (not committed)
Bessire - Committed to Bowdoin
Frye - Committed to Claremont McKenna
I am sure there are a few I missed and I am sorry for missing them....
and I hope this gives context on the whole division stigma -
Been preaching this for years. Go to a Chico State, Pomona, San Marcos, etc game and you will quickly realize there are few d2 kids around yet alone d1.
The biggest under the radar kid in norcal right now is Aaron Bliss for Ponderosa. He’s legit 6”10 and can run the floor, block shots, and defend 3 positions. Go watch him play. He has elite size and is still young. But you can’t teach 6”10.
I know WCC is very interested and will be only time. But goes to show you how good one needs to be.
Hi Legend, I think you missed the whole point of my post as you continue to make a distinction between D1 and D2.
My point is that the difference is infinitesimal. And somewhat negligible unless you are talking about the top 25 players in the country. And we don't have any of those here ....prolific excluded because these aren't what I consider local kids.
And yes, Agreed! You can't teach height. Anyone with decent skills over 6'6" get looks.
Honestly there are a number of guys that got looked at early and found spots on D1 rosters, yet others on the list may have better all around games. As I said it's a lot about timing, relationships and what was available in these crazy times. You have high quality JUCO Guys that are 22 yr old men with college experience that are having a hard time finding roster spots at 4 yr universities.
Also, remember they should be going to school for the education. Not just ball.
At some point the "ball stops bouncing" and the school for many is just as big of a consideration. I wouldn't want to be a D1 player at marginal educational institution just for the sake of D1. That's just dumb.
Hope I can get a chance to see the Pondo kid. Happy playoff watching soon!
My point is that the difference is infinitesimal. And somewhat negligible unless you are talking about the top 25 players in the country. And we don't have any of those here ....prolific excluded because these aren't what I consider local kids.
And yes, Agreed! You can't teach height. Anyone with decent skills over 6'6" get looks.
Honestly there are a number of guys that got looked at early and found spots on D1 rosters, yet others on the list may have better all around games. As I said it's a lot about timing, relationships and what was available in these crazy times. You have high quality JUCO Guys that are 22 yr old men with college experience that are having a hard time finding roster spots at 4 yr universities.
Also, remember they should be going to school for the education. Not just ball.
At some point the "ball stops bouncing" and the school for many is just as big of a consideration. I wouldn't want to be a D1 player at marginal educational institution just for the sake of D1. That's just dumb.
Hope I can get a chance to see the Pondo kid. Happy playoff watching soon!
is cal state east bay a marginal educational institution? the kids mentioned probably dont have the grades to go to the 'good' educational schools so you go where you are comfortable. is fresno st marginal?
agree with your points! Thank you for clarifying! Pondo kid on front page of sac bee FYI. Last remaining unbeaten in calif at 23-0. 4.2 gpa would love to see Stanford or st marys get him
Kinda late for Standford to grab. They already have all their offers out and not sure they are going to extend for a 2022. if I am not mistaken they are already offering 2023 and 2024. Plus you have a few guys on that list I provided that are well over 4.0 gpa and we're talking with ivys.
Pondo kid seems late to the process but again remember Ja M was discovered practicing in an auxiliary gym during a late
Pondo kid seems late to the process but again remember Ja M was discovered practicing in an auxiliary gym during a late
Read my post.
Ankleassasin, seems like your confused or didn't read my post correctly or maybe I could of been more direct. Did I ever say cal eb or Fresno st were marginal? Not at all!!! The point being made that was missed is that I would rather see a kid take a D2 offer like cal state e bay, like cal state MB or Sonoma ... versus hunting for a D1 spot at some marginal school somewhere in the country just because it was D1. Or to make the roster on a D1 and never sniff a minute of playing time. I am not sure how much college basketball you watch at all levels, but there are a number of D2 and D3 out there and NAIA for that matter that can get after it and can give D1 a run for their money. There are many D1 schools out there whose education and cost have marginal value or return. Take a look at some of the private smaller D1s and I think you will agree. And btw the cal state system for all its knocks is a very good system and reasonable compared to other universities. My kids and grandkids went to call state and UC. Cool your jets! And read more accurately.
And for the record many of those kids on that list I provided are honors students and 2-4 are over 4.0 gpas.
yeah late bloomer. Somebody will get a steal and some team will make room. Transfer season is coming
your words- D1 player at marginal educational institution so that statement there does not indicate what is marginal, the education or the athletic program. That is the reason I asked. So maybe you are not a clear in your message as you assume. I still dont get what you are saying. Any d1 school is better than a D2 school. now better is relative but still, they are D1. I did not knock state schools, i asked the question. And yes, a D2 or 3 can give a school a run for the money on a night, however they wont be able to compete for a complete 30 game schedule.
Ankleassasin,
Not here to argue, and I was pretty clear. And you seem pretty angry, hope that's not the case.
Btw, D2 can play up to 25 regular season and then up to 3-5 additional games before league tournament and NCAA championship play. For example Northwestern Missouri state last year's D2 champion is currently 22 games into their season with 8 games left before their divisional playoffs. By comparison Cal is 23 games in with 8 left before the PAC 12 tourney, so maybe 1-4 games less when comparing various D1 v D2 schedules...not sure what's your point with the 30 game schedule. Also, you seemed to miss the whole point about why I commented in the first place. It was to give congratulations and kudos to the kids on the list that are continuing on in college because it is an extremely rare feat, no matter what division!...you get that right? Given that most people that didn't play competitively get so hung up on the division thing I wanted to share some perspective.
So, enjoy the upcoming high school playoffs and college march madness.
Happy basketball watching
Not here to argue, and I was pretty clear. And you seem pretty angry, hope that's not the case.
Btw, D2 can play up to 25 regular season and then up to 3-5 additional games before league tournament and NCAA championship play. For example Northwestern Missouri state last year's D2 champion is currently 22 games into their season with 8 games left before their divisional playoffs. By comparison Cal is 23 games in with 8 left before the PAC 12 tourney, so maybe 1-4 games less when comparing various D1 v D2 schedules...not sure what's your point with the 30 game schedule. Also, you seemed to miss the whole point about why I commented in the first place. It was to give congratulations and kudos to the kids on the list that are continuing on in college because it is an extremely rare feat, no matter what division!...you get that right? Given that most people that didn't play competitively get so hung up on the division thing I wanted to share some perspective.
So, enjoy the upcoming high school playoffs and college march madness.
Happy basketball watching
who is arguing? it is a computer. you argue with a machine? and who is angry???? what on earth would make me angry about boys high school basketball??? wtf??? BUT YOU STILL DIDNT ANSWER THE QUESTION. What is a marginal educational institution? The degree or the basketball? I do get how rare it is, however it isnt all that hard especially now a days with the internet and social media. Recruits can reach coaches in Maine with a simple twitter account. Us 90s kids did not have it so lucky.
