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2nd time watching Folsom and I continue to say this over and over. They are missing Richardson drastically. Not a lot of mixing things up. Doherty fell in love with the pass for 3 qtrs. Please dont tell me Ngata was out ( Cj Hutton is one of the best skill players in NorCal) Folsom doesn’t miss much of a step with him in the backfield. Bulldogs can run the ball on just about anyone but DLS. Doherty still hasn’t figured that out yet. Unless he saw what Ngata did at the end of the 3rd. (Basically took over Folsom’s offense single handily). He refused to run the ball. 8 run plays through 2 1/3 quarters.

I have also noticed this group is not very disciplined. Personal fouls at bad times, special teams mistakes. This team is probably the most talented in Nor-Cal, but they will not make a state game. You can tell a team that’s bought in, and I just don’t see the kids have done that yet. Hope they can pull it together, but I see the start to an end of a dynasty.

Great team, Great community, but Folsom is in trouble. Quote me on that.
 
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2nd time watching Folsom and I continue to say this over and over. They are missing Richardson drastically. Not a lot of mixing things up. Doherty fell in love with the pass for 3 qtrs. Please dont tell me Ngata was out ( Cj Hutton is one of the best skill players in NorCal) Folsom doesn’t miss much of a step with him in the backfield. Bulldogs can run the ball on just about anyone but DLS. Doherty still hasn’t figured that out yet. Unless he saw what Ngata did at the end of the 3rd. (Basically took over Folsom’s offense single handily). He refused to run the ball. 8 run plays through 2 1/3 quarters.

I have also noticed this group is not very disciplined. Personal fouls at bad times, special teams mistakes. This team is probably the most talented in Nor-Cal, but they will not make a state game. You can tell a team that’s bought in, and I just don’t see the kids have done that yet. Hope they can pull it together, but I see the start to an end of a dynasty.

Great team, Great community, but Folsom is in trouble. Quote me on that.
He’s a first year coach following an extremely tough act to follow. Gotta give him a little time.And from what I can tell, Badger may be the best HS player in NorCal, but I don’t know that Folsom’s roster is the most individually talented.
 
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I also watch Folsom a lot and was at the game. Overall they don’t have the same swag as prior years and there doesn’t seem to have that cohesiveness as prior years. In other words there wasn’t s doubt those OR kids thought they would beat Folsom. Folsom is making mistakes but that is HS football also. Richardson is not replaceable. He was a college coach running a HS team to near perfection. Drop off with Dougherty. Agree.

I keep saying this and I think people are starting to realize Oak Ridge is the real deal and Lamson is the best QB in the area. This is a case where Oak Ridge has narrowed the gap.

I love CJ Hutton. Great player. I could see him being a real solid UCD type. But you can’t discount NGATA. He came back in and things changed. Kids like that come around 1x a lifetime for most programs.

Lastly, Badger is my early season MVP. His go ahead TD catch was a grown man play.
 
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He’s a first year coach following an extremely tough act to follow. Gotta give him a little time.And from what I can tell, Badger may be the best HS player in NorCal, but I don’t know that Folsom’s roster is the most individually talented.
Who has a more talented team then Folsom ? 3 major D1s with 2 or 3 more mid majors
 
I also watch Folsom a lot and was at the game. Overall they don’t have the same swag as prior years and there doesn’t seem to have that cohesiveness as prior years. In other words there wasn’t s doubt those OR kids thought they would beat Folsom. Folsom is making mistakes but that is HS football also. Richardson is not replaceable. He was a college coach running a HS team to near perfection. Drop off with Dougherty. Agree.

I keep saying this and I think people are starting to realize Oak Ridge is the real deal and Lamson is the best QB in the area. This is a case where Oak Ridge has narrowed the gap.

I love CJ Hutton. Great player. I could see him being a real solid UCD type. But you can’t discount NGATA. He came back in and things changed. Kids like that come around 1x a lifetime for most programs.

Lastly, Badger is my early season MVP. His go ahead TD catch was a grown man play.
Agree for most part, the only thing is Folsom has to OWN the area or they won’t get the local transfers. Personally I don’t think the kids buy in to Dougherty or that he’s good enough to own the area.
 
OR will always be good. Huge HS and better coaching staff today than Folsom. Agree that the best days are behind Folsom. OR class of JR/SOPH/Frosh football players are solid. They have some real good years ahead. Lamson is only a Jr. And OR will attract kids. Gap will continue to shrink.
 
If Folsom doesn’t pull in top kids from outside Folsom you’ll see Folsom struggle to win sfl games.
 
If Folsom doesn’t pull in top kids from outside Folsom you’ll see Folsom struggle to win sfl games.

Whoa... let’s not get carried away. They may not be elite but they are a huge HS with a great jr program in a very good city with tons of young families. They will always be relevant as long as coaching is sound. Grant will struggle to win SFL games. That I believe.
 
Whoa... let’s not get carried away. They may not be elite but they are a huge HS with a great jr program in a very good city with tons of young families. They will always be relevant as long as coaching is sound. Grant will struggle to win SFL games. That I believe.
Larry, you have to understand most of Folsom’s d1 talent has come from another city in the past 8 years. That is not my topic of discussion. These days it doesn’t matter where a kid comes from that only matters to the teams playing against Folsom. Folsom will always be good, but they will soon be a regular SFL team. Not a team that has won league 5 years straight or whatever it is.
 
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Whoa... let’s not get carried away. They may not be elite but they are a huge HS with a great jr program in a very good city with tons of young families. They will always be relevant as long as coaching is sound. Grant will struggle to win SFL games. That I believe.

To compete in Sacramento Folsom had to work as a private school those are the facts. Check their history before they starting brining in talent from outside of Folsom. Folsom’s jr program is nowhere near grants Jr program. If Folsom doesn’t have badger ( Sheldon jr huskies) or Ngata (Reno) they lose to oak ridge by a couple tds. If Folsom doesn’t challenge themselves by playing other elite programs then why bring in kids? To compete in the sfl is why. Before that they had a hard time even beating the Elk Grove teams
 
All I’m saying is they will be good. Will they have guys going to the pros like they have now. Probably not. But it’s a very good school in a nice community that will attract always attract families.


Bad example using Ek Grove. Elk Grove a decade+ ago was elite. The amount of schools in EG has diluted talent. Elk Grove was on top of SJS in the old days.
 
This is why it’s hard to talk about a Folsom post because it always reverts back to transfers. I was simply saying I don’t see the Folsom domination that they have had the past few years. Coaching has played a huge part, but I don’t think the kids buy into him. Numerous times vs Oakridge the defense look defeated, very tall task with not a lot of room for error with that fan base (parents). The Talent is absolutely there. What happens when you lose Ngata, Badger, Lynch, and a top tier coaching staff (Richardson) in 2 seasons? Time will tell....
 
This is why it’s hard to talk about a Folsom post because it always reverts back to transfers. I was simply saying I don’t see the Folsom domination that they have had the past few years. Coaching has played a huge part, but I don’t think the kids buy into him. Numerous times vs Oakridge the defense look defeated, very tall task with not a lot of room for error with that fan base (parents). The Talent is absolutely there. What happens when you lose Ngata, Badger, Lynch, and a top tier coaching staff (Richardson) in 2 seasons? Time will tell....

Yea, and other people were “simply saying” that they will obviously not be as good as they have been, but will probably still be a good SFL program moving forward for a variety of reasons.
 
Yea, and other people were “simply saying” that they will obviously not be as good as they have been, but will probably still be a good SFL program moving forward for a variety of reasons.
I know it hurts you to become a “regular” and the fact Folsom can’t run up the score on SFL teams just eats you alive inside. But relax it’s kids playing football.
 
This isn't hard to understand with Folsom:

Graduated a really good class (won second division state titles past two years)

Lost its HC and three assistants including QB coach and DC

Who is surprised there is a step back?

Paul Doherty is in a tough spot because he doesn't want to change too much with returners like Ngata and Badger, but I'm sure he has his own stamps he wants to put on the program.

I think the dominant run of Folsom is done, but they will remain one of the tier one programs in the SJS.

Talent remains in the area and the area will continue to grow. Doherty is a good coach who has earned a reputation as a program builder.
 
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First of all Folsom is not a dynasty. Maybe to us that live in the bubble of the SJS, not northern cal, and definitely not the state. Even with Richardson they have never played the best to win their titles, not being critical of them, but the so called “Folsom Rule” is what it is. Of course Folsom will fall off a bit, they have lost half the staff to college ball, and after this year 3 -4 of the best skill players in the country in a 2 year span. As long as they have Badger and Nagata they are never out of a game. There is no one like these guys in the Folsom pipeline, so losses are eminent in the future. That doesn’t mean the program is falling apart. To be the best you have to beat the best. I’m sure Sheldon is tired of playing Sierra Canyon and Mater Dei, when they make the finals.
 
This might be a rhetorical yes, but thoughts on Folsom getting out of SFL play undefeated? Any chance another team will test Folsom the way the Trojans did?

Can it be the tide is turning in the SFL and we are seeing cracks in the armor and sooner then later the SFL gains parity at the top.

Two things I'm sure of;
  1. Folsom is the most talented team in the Sac area for the right now.
  2. Folsom is a top 4 in Norcal.
This post isn't intended to slight Folsom, they are a great team but maybe the rest of the SFL is turning a corner.
 
If Folsom doesn’t pull in top kids from outside Folsom you’ll see Folsom struggle to win sfl games.
Would Mater Dei struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Santa Ana?

Would De La Salle struggle if they didn't get kids from outside of Concord?

Would SJB struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Bellflower?

Why the obsession with where every Folsom kid comes from or was born? Not a peep from anyone about where all these private school kids are coming from? Folsom is being asked to schedule all of these teams and "step it up" yet get criticized for getting talent from "outside the Folsom City Limits." People are quick to call out 1 family from Reno or 1 kid from Elk Grove, while the teams they are being asked to play have 20 plus transfers from all over the region they play in. Kind of a ridiculous obsession if you ask me. People use tat argument to slight the program to make it sound like they aren't that great and are only good because of transfers. The same people will turn around and talk about how great these private school programs are with only maybe a handful of kids that even live within 20 miles of the school. The ultimate bizarre debate. It's like telling one of your daughters they can't date, yet encourage your other daughter to date all they want! Makes zero sense.

The argument gets particularly comical when the subject from the same posters always comes back to where Folsom players come from. In the end, the Ngata's and Badgers of the world are a handful of players.....a FAR cry from what is going on around Folsom and in Southern California.

It is all about perspective.

And to set the record straight- all the wins, league titles, section titles, and state titles.......is a dynasty.
 
First of all Folsom is not a dynasty. Maybe to us that live in the bubble of the SJS, not northern cal, and definitely not the state. Even with Richardson they have never played the best to win their titles, not being critical of them, but the so called “Folsom Rule” is what it is. Of course Folsom will fall off a bit, they have lost half the staff to college ball, and after this year 3 -4 of the best skill players in the country in a 2 year span. As long as they have Badger and Nagata they are never out of a game. There is no one like these guys in the Folsom pipeline, so losses are eminent in the future. That doesn’t mean the program is falling apart. To be the best you have to beat the best. I’m sure Sheldon is tired of playing Sierra Canyon and Mater Dei, when they make the finals.

Are you talking about at the state level? Because in the Sac area Folsom of the past decade seems like a dynasty to me. But then again, I don’t base everything on how teams do in State bowl games. I’m from the Monterey area, for example, and Palma was certainly a dynasty to me for a long stretch. In the CCS various WCAL teams had stretches where they could have been considered dynasties. Seems like you’re ridiculously narrow “definition” of what a dynasty is has been crafted specifically so Folsom doesn’t qualify.
 
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The most talented team over the last decade.

Top 2 in NorCal. Currently #7 in the state.

Yes, over the last decade Folsom is king. I have a different opinion on top 4, as I believe Serra and VC are interchangeably ahead of Folsom based on the season to date.
 
Just a point to consider re: Folsom allegedly "falling off"...

The Folsom JV gave DLS's otherwise-undefeated JV's a 35-7 spanking.

It's not like the cupboard is bare...
 
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Just a point to consider re: Folsom allegedly "falling off"...

The Folsom JV gave DLS's otherwise-undefeated JV's a 35-7 spanking.

It's not like the cupboard is bare...
Very true, Folsom JV got the big W...but, just to keep things in perspective, DLS Varsity team has 8 sophomores up there. Had they played down in that JV game, the outcome would have surely been different.
 
Just a point to consider re: Folsom allegedly "falling off"...

The Folsom JV gave DLS's otherwise-undefeated JV's a 35-7 spanking.

It's not like the cupboard is bare...

Good point, the cupboard is filled and Kings remain on the throne until deposed. Is that happening now is the question that intrigues me the most.

Rocklin, Granite Bay, Grant and D.O. All look to have solid JV’ers in the wings. I think it’s plausible the SFL has been made better by the dominance of Folsom.

As we talk dynasty here, Folsom is locked in, no debate from me but looking ahead Folsom might lose a game this year and perhaps several next season to SFL competition. I tend to think of it as SFL getting better as opposed to a fall from grace for Folsom. Without snark, it worth analyzing the SFL as a whole to which Folsom belongs. Perhaps I’m reaching but the Trojans certainly planted some seeds of doubt for me about this season.
 
Would Mater Dei struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Santa Ana?

Would De La Salle struggle if they didn't get kids from outside of Concord?

Would SJB struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Bellflower?

Why the obsession with where every Folsom kid comes from or was born? Not a peep from anyone about where all these private school kids are coming from? Folsom is being asked to schedule all of these teams and "step it up" yet get criticized for getting talent from "outside the Folsom City Limits." People are quick to call out 1 family from Reno or 1 kid from Elk Grove, while the teams they are being asked to play have 20 plus transfers from all over the region they play in. Kind of a ridiculous obsession if you ask me. People use tat argument to slight the program to make it sound like they aren't that great and are only good because of transfers. The same people will turn around and talk about how great these private school programs are with only maybe a handful of kids that even live within 20 miles of the school. The ultimate bizarre debate. It's like telling one of your daughters they can't date, yet encourage your other daughter to date all they want! Makes zero sense.

The argument gets particularly comical when the subject from the same posters always comes back to where Folsom players come from. In the end, the Ngata's and Badgers of the world are a handful of players.....a FAR cry from what is going on around Folsom and in Southern California.

It is all about perspective.

And to set the record straight- all the wins, league titles, section titles, and state titles.......is a dynasty.

Yes those PRIVATE schools would struggle. We are talking about a public school that really doesn’t challenge themselves s hedule wise. If your gonna bring in top athletes from every where atleast play top teams that’s the problem. It’s not hard to schedule mater dei or bosco or any top team from so cal. Other teams in the area are doing. You can’t compare what’s going on in so cal to what Folsom is doing the teams in so cal that are getting transfers they actually play against other top 25 teams that’s doing the same thing no dodging is taking place. When Folsom does it its to beat oak ridge and del oro that’s the difference. It’s not just 1 kid from Elk Grove or 1 family from Reno. It’s more like a handful of kids from Elk Grove a whole family from Reno with 2 other players from Reno and now a kid from Washington add in a st Mary’s transfer too. Don’t bring up public school limitations when Folsom doesn’t have any so why not play some of these teams st Mary’s is playing. Our best program in the area for the last 10 years shouldn’t be having a weaker schedule than most of the top teams in the area that’s the PROBLEM
 
Yes those PRIVATE schools would struggle
Agreed. Most would be irrelevant. Makes what Folsom is doing with less even more special.

We are talking about a public school that really doesn’t challenge themselves s hedule wise
DLS wasn't a challenge? Maybe bring in Alabama for a scrimmage?
If your gonna bring in top athletes from every where atleast play top teams that’s the problem.
Nobody has "brought in" anyone. Kids are attracted to winning programs. This is the case at every relevant school in America.

ou can’t compare what’s going on in so cal to what Folsom is doing the teams in so cal that are getting transfers
You are right. You can't. A few kids here and there don't compare to the 20 plus transfer kids that you could fill a train called the "SoCal express" with.

It’s more like a handful of kids from Elk Grove a whole family from Reno with 2 other players from Reno
So by your count, that is what? About 9 kids? In 10 years of dominance. That is a pretty good compliment, considering the teams you are "challenging them to play" have 20-30 legit transfers a year. And they are "real transfers." Some of those kids attend for football season only and go back to their home schools for spring semester. Can you imagine if Folsom kids did this? You'd have a cow! lol.

The kids you are referring to had moved to Folsom and had a "valid change of residence." All within the rules and galaxies below what the teams you mention of in SoCal are doing.
 
Very true, Folsom JV got the big W...but, just to keep things in perspective, DLS Varsity team has 8 sophomores up there. Had they played down in that JV game, the outcome would have surely been different.

That explains how a Folsom JV team that lost to Jesuit beat DLS.
 
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This might be a rhetorical yes, but thoughts on Folsom getting out of SFL play undefeated? Any chance another team will test Folsom the way the Trojans did?

Can it be the tide is turning in the SFL and we are seeing cracks in the armor and sooner then later the SFL gains parity at the top.

Two things I'm sure of;
  1. Folsom is the most talented team in the Sac area for the right now.
  2. Folsom is a top 4 in Norcal.
This post isn't intended to slight Folsom, they are a great team but maybe the rest of the SFL is turning a corner.

Last Friday night was a great football game between two neighbors, which was benefited by good officiating! (as you all know, the refs could really screw up a great game). As I walked off the field, I realized that we won the battles in the game, but lost the game...it was a very gut-wrenching feeling. I could give you all the shoulda, woulda, coulda, but the bottom line we lost by 3 points and Folsom gets the W. As I read the comments on several threads about the game, the most mentioned issue is that Ngata missed the first half, came in the second and made the difference. Point taken, however we lost our best two-way player Avant Jacobs for two quarters due to leg cramping, so I feel it was a wash.

Onto my reply regarding Folsom and the rest of the SFL. Folsom gained 6 new transfers who were eligible to play the first week. They gain 9 additional transfers who will be eligible to play this coming week, which is a total of 15 new transfers! Oak Ridge had two transfers this season and they have made a difference for us. I can only imagine what 15 new players would do to a team. What burns me the most is we lost our starting RB this season to Folsom as he transferred a few weeks ago, we gained 2 but lost 1 overall, oh well. This is all verified of course on the CIF-SJS website under "Governance" then "Transfer Decision". So,

1. Folsom is the most talented in Sac right now and will be more so this Friday.
2. Folsom is a top 4 in NorCal...at the very least!
3. The rest of the SFL games just got way more difficult for Folsom opponents!

This post isn't intended to slight Folsom, they are a great team that just got greater but maybe the rest of the SFL is turning a corner.
 
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Last Friday night was a great football game between two neighbors, which was benefited by good officiating! (as you all know, the refs could really screw up a great game). As I walked off the field, I realized that we won the battles in the game, but lost the game...it was a very gut-wrenching feeling. I could give you all the shoulda, woulda, coulda, but the bottom line we lost by 3 points and Folsom gets the W. As I read the comments on several threads about the game, the most mentioned issue is that Ngata missed the first half, came in the second and made the difference. Point taken, however we lost our best two-way player Avant Jacobs for two quarters due to leg cramping, so I feel it was a wash.

Onto my reply regarding Folsom and the rest of the SFL. Folsom gained 6 new transfers who were eligible to play the first week. They gain 9 additional transfers who will be eligible to play this coming week, which is a total of 15 new transfers! Oak Ridge had two transfers this season and they have made a difference for us. I can only imagine what 15 new players would do to a team. What burns me the most is we lost our starting RB this season to Folsom as he transferred a few weeks ago, we gained 2 but lost 1 overall, oh well. This is all verified of course on the CIF-SJS website under "Coaches and Administrators" then "transfer eligibility" then "Transfer Rullings". So,

1. Folsom is the most talented in Sac right now and will be more so this Friday.
2. Folsom is a top 4 in NorCal...at the very least!
3. The rest of the SFL games just got way more difficult for Folsom opponents!

This post isn't intended to slight Folsom, they are a great team that just got greater but maybe the rest of the SFL is turning a corner.

Can that be true? What a joke!

Well, in light of a starting unit worth of transfers it may be a moot point for SFL opponents the rest of the way. Man, that’s unbelievable that a local public high school has 15 transfers alone on a football team. The struggle is real for the SFL.
 
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Last Friday night was a great football game between two neighbors, which was benefited by good officiating! (as you all know, the refs could really screw up a great game). As I walked off the field, I realized that we won the battles in the game, but lost the game...it was a very gut-wrenching feeling. I could give you all the shoulda, woulda, coulda, but the bottom line we lost by 3 points and Folsom gets the W. As I read the comments on several threads about the game, the most mentioned issue is that Ngata missed the first half, came in the second and made the difference. Point taken, however we lost our best two-way player Avant Jacobs for two quarters due to leg cramping, so I feel it was a wash.

Onto my reply regarding Folsom and the rest of the SFL. Folsom gained 6 new transfers who were eligible to play the first week. They gain 9 additional transfers who will be eligible to play this coming week, which is a total of 15 new transfers! Oak Ridge had two transfers this season and they have made a difference for us. I can only imagine what 15 new players would do to a team. What burns me the most is we lost our starting RB this season to Folsom as he transferred a few weeks ago, we gained 2 but lost 1 overall, oh well. This is all verified of course on the CIF-SJS website under "Coaches and Administrators" then "transfer eligibility" then "Transfer Rullings". So,

1. Folsom is the most talented in Sac right now and will be more so this Friday.
2. Folsom is a top 4 in NorCal...at the very least!
3. The rest of the SFL games just got way more difficult for Folsom opponents!

This post isn't intended to slight Folsom, they are a great team that just got greater but maybe the rest of the SFL is turning a corner.

Wow!!!...15 Football transfers for Folsom This Year Alone?.... Looks like Folsom is taking full advantage of the Open Enrollment Advantage they have over all the Other SFL Schools....

This has to Easily be the most Football transfers of any Nor Cal School...

@pastyfastquick3 is this really "A Far Cry From What Is Going On in So Cal"???.... 15 Transfers in one season seems like an Awful lot...
 
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Would Mater Dei struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Santa Ana?

Would De La Salle struggle if they didn't get kids from outside of Concord?

Would SJB struggle if they didn't get kids from outside Bellflower?

Why the obsession with where every Folsom kid comes from or was born? Not a peep from anyone about where all these private school kids are coming from? Folsom is being asked to schedule all of these teams and "step it up" yet get criticized for getting talent from "outside the Folsom City Limits." People are quick to call out 1 family from Reno or 1 kid from Elk Grove, while the teams they are being asked to play have 20 plus transfers from all over the region they play in. Kind of a ridiculous obsession if you ask me. People use tat argument to slight the program to make it sound like they aren't that great and are only good because of transfers. The same people will turn around and talk about how great these private school programs are with only maybe a handful of kids that even live within 20 miles of the school. The ultimate bizarre debate. It's like telling one of your daughters they can't date, yet encourage your other daughter to date all they want! Makes zero sense.

The argument gets particularly comical when the subject from the same posters always comes back to where Folsom players come from. In the end, the Ngata's and Badgers of the world are a handful of players.....a FAR cry from what is going on around Folsom and in Southern California.

It is all about perspective.

And to set the record straight- all the wins, league titles, section titles, and state titles.......is a dynasty.

They’ve got a half dozen out of Reno and many more than that from outside of Folsom. Don’t try and rewrite history on this board. This is the wrong crowd to BS with your BS.
 
It’s comical how people still talk about Folsom like it’s running like a normal public school like I said at this point they are getting transfers to stay relevant not to play top teams like the schools in so cal are doing. And yes they schedule dls because they thought they had the most talented team they’ll have anytime soon I’d bet dls made them agree to a home and home. They should playing more teams like dls than Jesuit
 
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They’ve got a half dozen out of Reno and many more than that from outside of Folsom. Don’t try and rewrite history on this board. This is the wrong crowd to BS with your BS.

Man we put in a lot of time over this subject even got accounts deleted over this subject. I guess once sac bee put it out it became ok to talk about
 
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