Hey CIF Commissioners: Great job picking Grant over SHP!
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Perhaps you would just like to go back to the system where you play for your section title and Stop!?
So much whining. Yes I don't have to read the posts or threads... but heck I did and will and will respond.
SHP is in the CA top 15 ..... great year. Let the kids move on.
So much whining. Yes I don't have to read the posts or threads... but heck I did and will and will respond.
SHP is in the CA top 15 ..... great year. Let the kids move on.
This is a lazy argument that comes up every year. Selections are made on who has the best resume, not on who would give the best game and there is no argument that SHP would have fared better than Grant. Folsom is a very special team. Could be the best ever in the SJS. Only one that comes close to me is the 98 Elk Grove team (might be off on the year) with Briggs.
Greek - you are way off base. I was the first one to make a case (with postings, that is) for SHP to be picked over Grant. But several events had to take place in order to give SHP a chance and one of the critical points failed to materialize with the CCS DI final Salinas loss to Hollister. Even with a Salinas win factor included, I doubt SHP would have won the bid over Grant. After all, you have a perennial DI bidder slated against recently strong DIII team winning at DI levels for the first time in school history. Even though past seasons' success is not an acceptable criteria for CIF bid selection, I'm sure it still influences CIF Committee voters' view of bidding teams.
Fact of the matter is they look dumb cuz Grant got handled, and all you genius can only say SHP would have suffered same fate...but do you KNOW that, no you don't. SHP surprised everyone with shutout over Bellarmine, who knows what would have happened.
Yes, I would've loved seeing SHP in the D-3 regional game. I don't know why they had to be left in the D-1 regional discussion. Even though they played against D-1 or D-2 teams, because of their school enrollment, should've been allowed in the D-3 game.
Hsfan82,
No doubt SHP deserves major props for what they did last year and also this year. But 1.) this was not one of Bellermines best teams but I still give props to SHP they won 2) The CCS system is stupid but IMO they got it right by choosing Grant..The outcome of Folsom vs. Grant was bad but Folsom made them look bad would've done the same to prep 3) What if SHP did get the bid,and Folsom blew them out it would've been been a no win for Folsom cause they were expected to beat a D3 team. And it would've only been interesting to SHP fans.Folsom and De La are another level programs who will make a lot of teams look bad.....I don't think SHP would even beat Grant let alone Folsom......I would have been intrigued by SHP vs Campolindo in D3 but that's about it........But if they think they can hang with the big boys schedule them in preseason next year see how iyou stack up .The best teams schedule up.
No doubt SHP deserves major props for what they did last year and also this year. But 1.) this was not one of Bellermines best teams but I still give props to SHP they won 2) The CCS system is stupid but IMO they got it right by choosing Grant..The outcome of Folsom vs. Grant was bad but Folsom made them look bad would've done the same to prep 3) What if SHP did get the bid,and Folsom blew them out it would've been been a no win for Folsom cause they were expected to beat a D3 team. And it would've only been interesting to SHP fans.Folsom and De La are another level programs who will make a lot of teams look bad.....I don't think SHP would even beat Grant let alone Folsom......I would have been intrigued by SHP vs Campolindo in D3 but that's about it........But if they think they can hang with the big boys schedule them in preseason next year see how iyou stack up .The best teams schedule up.
Very good win for SHP vs. Bellarmine. Los Gatos shut out Serra. I think all that means is that the WCAL offenses were not that good this year, combined with good defense by SHP and LG.
I'm not saying that SHP might have faired better or worse then Grant, only that based on the season of work, Grant deserved the nominationion. Offensively, SHP might have faired better vs. Grant because SHP had a more balanced offense, but defensively, I think that Folsom would have destroyed SHP's defense, despite the shutout of a basically one dimensional offense of Bellarmine.
I'm not saying that SHP might have faired better or worse then Grant, only that based on the season of work, Grant deserved the nominationion. Offensively, SHP might have faired better vs. Grant because SHP had a more balanced offense, but defensively, I think that Folsom would have destroyed SHP's defense, despite the shutout of a basically one dimensional offense of Bellarmine.
SHP couldn't have played the man-to-man bump and run coverage Grant did. They probably limit the Bulldogs rush attack, but get bombarded through the air like everyone else.
Truth is, had Grant played a close game the SHP supporters would be claiming they could have done the same or better. Had SHP got their shot instead, Pacers supporters would have had the same arguments.
Grant was originally slated to be in SJS D1, but some team was credited with a forfeit victory (Stagg, I believe), which made them eligble for the playoffs (6 victories & 2 league W's), and pushed Grant into D2 due to enrollment. They would've lost to Folsom in Section Finals, then either SHP or maybe SJS D2 Champion would've been considered.
There is sometimes a 15 student disparity between D1 & D2 in SJS
There is sometimes a 15 student disparity between D1 & D2 in SJS
Greek The Jimmy....SHP got screwed by the CCS, get over it...SHP would have been destroyed just like Grant by Folsom. They would have been a nice DIII selection, but again the CCS format hosed them!
Indeed, Stagg from SJAA was the team in the last week of regular season play with a league victory over Chavez that launched themselves into the SJS D1 playoffs and bumped Grant down to SJS D2 playoffs. Yes, Stagg achieved one of their wins by forfeit over Fairfield. But, Stagg did not have 6 victories. Nope! Stagg finished with only 4 wins, and it could have been a 3-7 record team getting into the playoffs instead of a 4-6 team if not for the credited forfeit win. The reason why Stagg was awarded a playoff birth was not because of their overall W-L record, but because they finished 2nd in what was arguably the weakest SJS league, behind the league winner they beat, Chavez, and gained an automatic bid per SJS playoff guidelines. This is a perfect example why the SJS needs to limit the playoff brackets to 8 teams (instead of 16 teams) for divisions 1 thru 3. Not only will the SJS playoff be more competitive from the start, but this will also allow for an additional week for an extra round of CIF regional/state playoffs.
The stupid thing is that even if SHP wasn't in Open they still might not have been picked because if you get rid of the Open teams they played, everyone would have said "They have not played anybody..look at their SOS." It would have been almost impossible to pick SHP over Sutter or Campo and they would not have picked SHP for the D3 game, so SHP would have been screwed anyways. We would have been talking about how SHP should have been picked instead of Sutter now instead of not being picked over Grant. I think they should keep the Open or make it optional (if you want to go you can, but you don't have to or maybe just the top 4 teams in the CCS not sure but a change is needed), but no matter if you lose or win the Open you should be able to be picked for NorCal bowl games in your respective division, so even if SHP loses the game they should be able to go D3 not D1 unless they are selected for D1. They should be able to go to Open and then go to D3 and not forced to go D1.
I agree - Everyone is looking through the rear view mirror to say SHP would have been the perfect choice for DIII. Of course they would have been the very best choice to come up against El Capitan in Socal. But had SHP been left in CCS DIV, they probably would not have been chosen for RBG DIII. No one would have known they had the potential to win Open and possibly even be better than the SJS-vaunted Grant.
So we just have a bunch of smoke being blown by people who claim CCS screwed SHP. Truth is no system works to perfection. If anything, it was the CIF system that screwed SHP. This year CCS' system took a huge public image hit because the once lowly CCS DIV SHP won CCS Open.
Greek,SHP would of got hammered even worse. I think Folsom would of put 50+ against SHP. Grant had all the talent there but some real bad offensive schemes. Let the kids move on! They can't when your constantly bringing up irrelevant news.
SHP got screwed but not for not playing Folsom. Yes they "should have" gotten a chance to play in a regional bowl game but not at the D1 level. SHP vs. Clayton Valley would've been interesting...
Ya know... I've seen you make this comment a few times, so I went back and watched the game. We must have watched two different games because in the one I saw, Los Gatos certainly did not march all over the field against SHP. The Gators did bend a little, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Well I did watch the game, but only once. According to Max Preps, LG had 375 total yards, 20 first downs and only 1 punt. I didn't think that they had too much trouble moving the ball.
SHP had 287 total yards of offense, but won the game fair and square
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