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larry legend33

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You may very well prove to be right Larry but I also think with these times, reality today could be much different reality a month from now and so on.
 
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You may very well prove to be right Larry but I also think with these times, reality today could be much different reality a month from now and so on.
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I hope I’m wrong. Nobody wants to see kids get a chance to play and well.... be kids more than me.
 
Very sad, but it is looking like time is running out on 20-21 academic and athletic year. There is FINALLY a reasonably accurate and inexpensive home test (97%, $5) that will become widely available late September. They will be making 50 million a month, but even that is woefully inadequate for the weekly testing (minimum) it would take to get kids back in school before Winter hits. Even with the testing cranked up ten fold, there HAS to be a coordinated national plan to really get back to a semblance of normal before the Summer of 2021. It IS possible, though. It's pretty simple, really. It's just not easy.
 
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Last night I watched two great high school games on ESPN. One was in Alabama and the other in Utah. Both games had sizable crowds of spectators. I heard 39 of 50 States are playing HS Football. Playing HS sports is an issue of State and Local Governance and resistant Teachers' Unions. It can be done in CA too. People need to speak up to their local leaders if they want it to happen.
 
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CoachRandal said:
Last night I watched two great high school games on ESPN. One was in Alabama and the other in Utah. Both games had sizable crowds of spectators. I heard 39 of 50 States are playing HS Football. Playing HS sports is an issue of State and Local Governance and resistant Teachers' Unions. It can be done in CA too. People need to speak up to their local leaders if they want it to happen.
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a couple of blue chip offensive linemen playing in the Utah game
 
Streak One said:
You may very well prove to be right Larry but I also think with these times, reality today could be much different reality a month from now and so on.
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Section 6 of the Reopening of schools guidelines once you have been in Tier 2 for no less than 3 weeks. " Outdoor and indoor sporting events, assemblies, dances, rallies, field trips, and other activities that require close contact or that would promote congregating are not permitted at this time. For example, tournaments, events, or competitions, regardless of whether teams are from the same school or from different schools, counties, or states are not permitted at this time. "

Every scientific sign points to it being safer outside than inside, but we are going to open up classes before we let outdoor sports happen. This is following neither the science nor the data.
 
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MTsince2004 said:
Very sad, but it is looking like time is running out on 20-21 academic and athletic year. There is FINALLY a reasonably accurate and inexpensive home test (97%, $5) that will become widely available late September. They will be making 50 million a month, but even that is woefully inadequate for the weekly testing (minimum) it would take to get kids back in school before Winter hits. Even with the testing cranked up ten fold, there HAS to be a coordinated national plan to really get back to a semblance of normal before the Summer of 2021. It IS possible, though. It's pretty simple, really. It's just not easy.
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Would that national plan be to move the goalposts like California is repeatedly doing? States have joined California as the national leader of positive cases and then dropped off, but here in California we are consistently amongst this country's leading producer of positive cases. It would make most manufacturing facilities jealous. We have no idea what we are doing and we are holding the class of 2021 responsible for the deaths that have happened as well as the legion of future deaths to the elderly that we are sure will happen if they play football outdoors.
 
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Section 6 of the Reopening of schools guidelines once you have been in Tier 2 for no less than 3 weeks. " Outdoor and indoor sporting events, assemblies, dances, rallies, field trips, and other activities that require close contact or that would promote congregating are not permitted at this time. For example, tournaments, events, or competitions, regardless of whether teams are from the same school or from different schools, counties, or states are not permitted at this time. "

Every scientific sign points to it being safer outside than inside, but we are going to open up classes before we let outdoor sports happen. This is following neither the science nor the data.
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I think we are in agreement on this. I’m looking at states that have been playing, there doesn’t seem to be an issue (though I haven’t looked fully at the data).

If state playing, how many are back in the classroom too? Or is it you need to have in person classes to have football?
 
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I think we are in agreement on this. I’m looking at states that have been playing, there doesn’t seem to be an issue (though I haven’t looked fully at the data).

If state playing, how many are back in the classroom too? Or is it you need to have in person classes to have football?
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Moreover, how much or little are political leaders actually tracking this? I can be wrong but I don’t see it as a top priority For the States not playing. I would also be interested to find out the comparison among states not playing and playing that have multigenerational households. My guess is the states not playing have far more than the states that are playing.
 
CDC released 6% of Co-Vid deaths are strictly from Covid. There are 0 yes 0 cases worldwide of a Student transmitting the disease to a Teacher. The states playing Football have not had increased cases.

California is about 27-30 out of all 50 states in cases per million. Northbay, please state facts. We are actually doing quite well here. Numbers would suggest a steep decline in cases.
 
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CDC released 6% of Co-Vid deaths are strictly from Covid. There are 0 yes 0 cases worldwide of a Student transmitting the disease to a Teacher. The states playing Football have not had increased cases.

California is about 27-30 out of all 50 states in cases per million. Northbay, please state facts. We are actually doing quite well here. Numbers would suggest a steep decline in cases.
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Fact there are exactly 31 states with better case per million numbers than California.
 
larry legend33 said:
Very frustrating.Many reasons to leave the state that was often considered one of the premier place to live both in the US and world.
More and more data pointing to a fear driven pandemic with overly inflated death stats.
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bye felicia. we need less traffic on the 580
 
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According to the CDC, there are somewhere between 180,000 to 250,000 excess deaths above expectations since February 1st of this year. These are ACTUAL deaths for any and all reasons. Covid related deaths are reported at 180,000+ (the 6% number has been shown by impartial statisticians to be a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts). Considering that the number of vehicle and work-related deaths are way down due to less travel and fewer people at work, there is no reasonable way to conclude that there is any significant inflation of Covid deaths. Certainly, not all of these deaths are Covid related, but there is more evidence to suggest there may be thousands of UNREPORTED Covid deaths than there is suggest there are thousands over reported.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

Click on "number of excess deaths" at the top left then click "update dashboard."

The pandemic is real. Denying it just makes it last longer. Focus on real solutions. They are out there.
 
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According to the CDC, there are somewhere between 180,000 to 250,000 excess deaths above expectations since February 1st of this year. These are ACTUAL deaths for any and all reasons. Covid related deaths are reported at 180,000+ (the 6% number has been shown by impartial statisticians to be a deliberate misrepresentation of the facts). Considering that the number of vehicle and work-related deaths are way down due to less travel and fewer people at work, there is no reasonable way to conclude that there is any significant inflation of Covid deaths. Certainly, not all of these deaths are Covid related, but there is more evidence to suggest there may be thousands of UNREPORTED Covid deaths than there is suggest there are thousands over reported.

Excess Deaths Associated with COVID-19

Figures present excess deaths associated with COVID-19 at the national and state levels.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

Click on "number of excess deaths" at the top left then click "update dashboard."

The pandemic is real. Denying it just makes it last longer. Focus on real solutions. They are out there.
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Sooo the argument here is to reference the same CDC in a different report but the CDC that is reporting the 6% that has been proven to be intentionally misleading?!?! Do they list on their website the reports that are real and those that are intentionally wrong?

How about the real solution that had Arizona pass California as a hot mess and is now reporting less than 25 new cases per million a day. Meanwhile California continues churns out on average 125-150 new cases per million a day.
 
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Sooo the argument here is to reference the same CDC in a different report but the CDC that is reporting the 6% that has been proven to be intentionally misleading?!?! Do they list on their website the reports that are real and those that are intentionally wrong?

How about the real solution that had Arizona pass California as a hot mess and is now reporting less than 25 new cases per million a day. Meanwhile California continues churns out on average 125-150 new cases per million a day.
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The misrepresentation of the statistic was not from the CDC. It was the misuse of the CDC information that was flagged. People misrepresent the import of legitimate statistics all the time. In this case, it was just cherry picking a clerical distinction. Some jurisdictions report deaths as "Covid" while others list the specific symptom that caused death. It's like one city might list "Motorcycle accident" as a cause of death while others would report the specific cause, like "head trauma."

As for Arizona vs California, I'm guessing Arizonans got really scared and started following social distancing guidelines. California on the other hand, is filled with people who love to march to the beat of their own drums. They come in all shapes and sizes out here and every political persuasion.
 
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The misrepresentation of the statistic was not from the CDC. It was the misuse of the CDC information that was flagged. People misrepresent the import of legitimate statistics all the time. In this case, it was just cherry picking a clerical distinction. Some jurisdictions report deaths as "Covid" while others list the specific symptom that caused death. It's like one city might list "Motorcycle accident" as a cause of death while others would report the specific cause, like "head trauma."

As for Arizona vs California, I'm guessing Arizonans got really scared and started following social distancing guidelines. California on the other hand, is filled with people who love to march to the beat of their own drums. They come in all shapes and sizes out here and every political persuasion.
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My at risk, mask wearing mom just returned from Arizona this weekend where she was shocked that roughly 50% of the people were not wearing masks. So it doesn't appear they took it any more seriously. From NorCal to LA we are largely a mask wearing group which would make sense since we are a dominantly Dem State. The problem is that our solutions aren't adding up, and there is an immediate negative reaction to anything that doesn't follow some sort of medical science protocol vs unexplained success in naturally occurring processes.
 
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larry legend33 said:
Very frustrating.Many reasons to leave the state that was often considered one of the premier place to live both in the US and world.
More and more data pointing to a fear driven pandemic with overly inflated death stats.
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I have two colleagues that I work with in my group (we're based in palo Alto) and in last three months they have moved to no state tax Austin TX - one $500k 2600 square foot new house on a lake and another $750k 3500+ sf house, and because much work can be done on video conferencing (we stopped travel since outbreak and company is saving money), a person can live anywhere. We have 100,000+ employees working remote. There are going to be many trends accelerated due to this virus and CA may be on the short end of it. In any event, the toll will be very big on the kids missing months of their junior years and if they don't get back to school and more normal. Some kids that are sophs are missing out on two years disrupted school experience and distance learning will not be sufficient for many and may kids are falling further and further behind. Hoping things open up soon, but the goal posts are moving it seems.
 
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I hear that there are a fair number of college students getting Covid. Some schools are closing while others are all in. I say that we protect the ones that are a high risk and let the younger ones go all in. Easier said than done because the news each nigh is scarring parents. For reasons unknown.
 
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MTsince2004 said:
The misrepresentation of the statistic was not from the CDC. It was the misuse of the CDC information that was flagged. People misrepresent the import of legitimate statistics all the time. In this case, it was just cherry picking a clerical distinction. Some jurisdictions report deaths as "Covid" while others list the specific symptom that caused death. It's like one city might list "Motorcycle accident" as a cause of death while others would report the specific cause, like "head trauma."

As for Arizona vs California, I'm guessing Arizonans got really scared and started following social distancing guidelines. California on the other hand, is filled with people who love to march to the beat of their own drums. They come in all shapes and sizes out here and every political persuasion.
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Sort of on the right track, but not fully. Yes the stats are not through the CDC, but he rather generated through the County (not City) by either a Cornoner-Sheriff, Coroner or medical examiners office (SF, LA, SD, Ventura and Santa Clara counties.).

You can’t list “Motorcycle Death” as a cause of death? Accident would be the manner, but not the cause of death. There are only 5 manners of death. On line 107 of a death certificate it would be similar to your “head trauma” example, most likely “blunt force injuries of the head”.

The DC still would need to get through vital stats and has to be accepted thorough EDRS. Doctors will often screw up DC’s, generally with regards to a natural death vs. a accidental death. Problem is when Covid hit there were many instances of Covid being just used a catch all and listed as the COD when in actuality there were underlying medical issues which caused the death. Now Doctors didn’t initially get a lot
of guidance on how to handle them, so hard to just place blame on them. Now Covid would and could expedite that death , but the reality is 95% percent of the people are not just dying of COVID-19 and have underlying medical conditions which cause their death. But when a guy in New York who was a passenger of a car which got T boned by a DUI driver and died in the accident due to blunt force injures, but then it’s listed as a “Covid Death” on the death certificate because the guy had been Covid positive is really disengenuise and that’s where you get inflated and none factual numbers, which most definitely has happened.
 
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@bella123 , I appreciate the subtle clarifications. I was paraphrasing information that I read quickly and my "motorcycle accident" was just an analogy. However, the underlying fact remains the same: there have been 180,000 to 250,000 excess deaths above expectations since February 1st. The likelihood of Covid NOT being the overwhelming reason is incredulous. There is a pandemic. Denying or minimizing it will just make it last longer. There are also ways to mitigate and eventually suppress the spread of the virus enough to get back to work, to school, and on to the playing fields. That's where the focus needs to be.
 
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As I understand things, The Cares Act supplies Federal funds if Covid19 is listed on the DC. I know at my job anything that has anything to do with Covid19 gets special coding and we are reimbursed and no I am not in the medical field.
 
Things I think I know. Not a doctor either so don't cancel me on here. Most people who are dying from COVID have Pre Existing conditions. We can identify those people and make plans to make sure they are safe. COVID-19 dies in immediate contact with sunlight. It would make sense to me that our athletic youth are the most non effected by this and will thrive in sunlight. So we should put our athletic kids in an environment where we know with out a doubt...they will thrive!
 
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Things I think I know. Not a doctor either so don't cancel me on here. Most people who are dying from COVID have Pre Existing conditions. We can identify those people and make plans to make sure they are safe. COVID-19 dies in immediate contact with sunlight. It would make sense to me that our athletic youth are the most non effected by this and will thrive in sunlight. So we should put our athletic kids in an environment where we know with out a doubt...they will thrive!
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From the Blueprint from a safer economy....”So why change? We learned a lot over the first several months of the pandemic about COVID-19 and how it spreads. For example, we know how much safer outdoor activities are than indoor ones and that it’s critical everyone wears a mask to limit the spread of the disease. This blueprint incorporates what we’ve learned.”
 
45% of the U.S. population has an underlying condition that puts them at increased risk for Covid. Many of those are children (asthma being #1). A vaccine may be many more months or even years away. The answers is, like so many of you have said, to put the REAL information we have learned into action. Part of the problem is that there are fifty different plans and ridiculous disagreements over the actual information. This pandemic is manageable with the tools and resources we have now, and even more so as new strategies and tools are developed. It just all makes me sad.

I think I'm done with this thread. I am officially a broken record (again). Good luck and stay safe, everyone.
 
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