The better team should play in the premier PAL division. May the best team win. I think Carlmont’s discipline and coaching will be key but a couple explosive plays will be the difference here. Scots win!
If Carlmont beats Burlingame should they play in the Bay division next year?
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Not sure how many seniors they have, but they have several key players returning. Their QB is a physical sophomore, and their most explosive player is only a junior RB, Jonaven Kuhn 1,000+ yds. Also their JV went 8-2, 5-0 in league, including a win over Terra Nova.
They have done a good job (Carlmont) in a short time getting that program on track, but this is jumping the gun. If they play competitively with Burlingame that will be a big step for them. Burlingame is a seasoned, physical team that doesn’t back down from anyone and Philipopoulos and his staff get the most out of their players. And in any case the league movement is compete. Carlmont has SHP, TN and Aragon on their non league schedule as well as possibly TKA. So they are essentially playing an A/B schedule which is appropriate given the quick growth of the program.
Most underestimated team, Carlmont. You can’t key on one! Ball control all day . Boom clocks over
Burlingame hasn’t seen a defense this physical. Julian Morin and Jayden Kuhn are both beasts at linebacker.
Geez, one hopes Burlingame even bothers to show up for a total beat-down on Saturday in Redwood City. Sounds like Carlmont is suddenly the reincarnation of Mike Ditka's Chicago Bears. Apparently, this contest is a done deal with a C league unit dominating utterly. Wow. Who knew? Bring on DLS.
Burlingame is a Bay team that made the playoffs last year and pleaded to move down. They got ther wish and dominated the Ocean. Now they play a Lake team and it is supposed to be close? Not a chance. Burlingame has a great staff and are playing they’re best football right now.Carlmont beat Sequoia 14-7, Mountain View 21-20. Burlingame beat those same teams 49-7 and 45-7. Burlingame will win The title and move back to the Bay were they belong.
This debate is so confusing it's time to pour another vat of cheap vodka and go beddy-bye.
It’s not much of a debate. Burlingame should win handily. Just because one guy comes on here and sings their praises is not a referendum on the Carlmont fans and certainly not the team or coaches. But I’ll say this-if Carlmont keeps it close or pulls the upset you’ll have people deleting posts around here. Bank on that.
Carlmont's offense will destroy an undisciplined defense that bites on the eye candy. A bunch of motions and fakes by the QB that lead you nowhere.
They run the ball 95% of the time so they will chew up clock like nobody's business. With as much as they run the football it is hard to put up a large number against them unless they get down and in a situation where they need to throw. Carlmont's achillies heal is the passing game. If they get down, they lose.
Their offense worked wonders in the PAL Lake and would work well versus the lower half of the Ocean but would destroyed in the Bay Division (See Terra Nova and Sacred Heart Prep).
That said, Burlingame is a Bay Division program. Philippopulous is a Bay Division Coach and Von Almen is a Bay Division Defensive Coordinator. I see that someone said Burlingame pleaded to move down. As true as that is, Philippopulous never argued that Burlingame couldn't hang in the Bay but rather that he was tired of running into teams with much more depth. They have 24 Juniors and Seniors on their team and an additional 13 Freshmen and Sophomores that are running with the Varsity. How many times has Burlingame been knocked out by the WCAL since 2010? The gripe is somewhat legit.
One might say Carlmont held TN and Prep to 21 a piece but that is a spread offense (Terra Nova) and a team that opens it up a fair amount (SHP). Burlingame is going to play smash mouth football with tons of misdirection.
So really Burlingame shouldn’t even be in D4 for the playoffs. So you’re saying they’re a scared team. Nice!
Burlingame is in the position as a number of other programs. Due to demographics and other factors they generally have a roster of 25-30 players with few if any players above 225 lbs and usually are playing 6-8 players as two way starters.
Other programs in the same boat these days are Aragon, Half Moon Bay, Menlo School, Carmel, Kings Academy, Monterey, Monte Vista Christian and a few others. These teams tend to bounce back in forth between the bottom of their respective A leagues and being top B league teams.
They have good coaching a good set of athletes and solid program and in any given game can give a good A league team (outside of the Sections top 5 teams in a given year) a run for their money. However, if you put them in an A league in a good year, they struggle playing 5-6 consecutive weeks against teams that have bigger lines and more depth with fewer two way players. Just one or two key injuries given the lack of depth can ruin a whole season.
Burlingame would have been competitive in the Bay division this season. They lost to SHP by 2 and beat HMB (who was winless in the Bay this year) by 1, but most likely they would have struggled with injuries and depth and been an early DIII exit this year.
With regards to the championship game, Carlmont is much more physical than other C league opponents and have some good players, but Burlingame has played other teams this year that are at this level and better. While it was early in the season, Carlmont's offense really struggled against Terra Nova's and SHP's defense and it will be hard for Carlmont to sustain their offense against Burlingame if they are one dimensional. They are going to need some big plays in the passing game to open up things for their running game, or create some points from special teams or from turnovers.
Other programs in the same boat these days are Aragon, Half Moon Bay, Menlo School, Carmel, Kings Academy, Monterey, Monte Vista Christian and a few others. These teams tend to bounce back in forth between the bottom of their respective A leagues and being top B league teams.
They have good coaching a good set of athletes and solid program and in any given game can give a good A league team (outside of the Sections top 5 teams in a given year) a run for their money. However, if you put them in an A league in a good year, they struggle playing 5-6 consecutive weeks against teams that have bigger lines and more depth with fewer two way players. Just one or two key injuries given the lack of depth can ruin a whole season.
Burlingame would have been competitive in the Bay division this season. They lost to SHP by 2 and beat HMB (who was winless in the Bay this year) by 1, but most likely they would have struggled with injuries and depth and been an early DIII exit this year.
With regards to the championship game, Carlmont is much more physical than other C league opponents and have some good players, but Burlingame has played other teams this year that are at this level and better. While it was early in the season, Carlmont's offense really struggled against Terra Nova's and SHP's defense and it will be hard for Carlmont to sustain their offense against Burlingame if they are one dimensional. They are going to need some big plays in the passing game to open up things for their running game, or create some points from special teams or from turnovers.
Kind of off topic, but what do we think BHS would have done against Independence? Also a thumping as most here see happening Saturday? Or different dynamic due to the athletes they have?
Have utterly no clue on that one. But one thing is quite clear today: The BVAL overall is bad. Very bad. The league's 2018 CCS total performance was abysmal, regardless of division.
Somewhat revealing that Carlmont did not dominate either Mountain View or San Mateo to a great degree, two units that Burlingame blew out with relative ease. But we'll see. Making blanket predictions is always a dicey proposition.
Honestly the BVAL is a B league, C league and D league. Some of the D league teams would get beat by 11 two peckered billy goats.
They would have gotten bent the **** over. Do you really think Carlmont has better athletes than Burlingame? Indy basically would have fought Julio Cesar Chavez rather than Chavez Jr.
Must assume that those unfortunate goats live quite close to a faulty nuclear power plant.
I just asked the question. I'll leave it to the BVAL people to respond to that.
The MHAL teams got outscored something like 250-12 in the playoffs, not a good sign. Some of the B teams were even beating the A teams. 11-1 IHS barely beat 4-7 PH. IMO Burlingame is going to beat Carlmont pretty sound.
Burlingame 42-14
Burlingame 42-14
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Hard to find 11 willing to suit up anymore! The twin package keeps them quite busy with the ladies I hear!!
Demographics is hurting many high schools as parents refuse to allow their children to play football. When these schools happen to find a stellar athlete, they often opt to go to Serra, St Francis, SHP, etc., etc. No one wants to play for a loser. Good luck competing with that.
Meanwhile, an 'argument ' over Burlingame and Carlmont. That's a first.
Meanwhile, an 'argument ' over Burlingame and Carlmont. That's a first.
Not to mention the game in Redwood City is going to be a huge home field advantage for Carlmont, the neighboring school to Sequoia hs.
Hey, one billy goat could go on a double date with the fabled Doublemint Twins by himself. What a concept.
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Or the people in the pick em who had Indy as section champs. That was the other reason I asked. There were several. Now all of a sudden they stink?
Uh ... correction Von Almen is “COACHING” for his 4th straight CCS title. His playing days are long gone....Congrats though. Good Luck this week.
What happened at live oak with burlingame. They literally had 12 fans there. They gave up in that game and lost. They’re 2-2 on the road. More than a punchers chance for Carlmont?
Sure. Why not? Burlingame is not overwhelming by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, neither is Carlmont. These teams are not in an Open Division.
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I agree guys. I know both coaches they have tremendous respect for each other. They are very similar programs both in style and in terms of the standards they hold their players to. Both programs are fighting the concussion hysteria, demographic issues and the parochial schools and still doing an excellent job. Let them prepare as I'm sure they are and show up Saturday and support your team.
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