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larry legend33

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Long overdue... Santa Clara fired Kerry Keating after another dismal season. Let's hope the Broncos pursue coach Greg Clink from Chico State. His resume continues to build at Chico. CCAA coach of the year and has cats in top 20 virtually every year. Local kid as well.

Let's not screw this up Santa Clara.
 
larry legend33 said:
Long overdue... Santa Clara fired Kerry Keating after another dismal season. Let's hope the Broncos pursue coach Greg Clink from Chico State. His resume continues to build at Chico. CCAA coach of the year and has cats in top 20 virtually every year. Local kid as well.

Let's not screw this up Santa Clara.
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He should have been fired three seasons ago.
 
I know... How he lasted that long is beyond me. I mean this is a great job people. Tremendous institution. Very good facilities. I wouldn't doubt it the pay is in the $350-400k range. There is no reason why Santa Clara shouldn't be able to compete like St marys.
 
Kerry,

Is a great guy, graduated 100% of his players while there, and won a CIBT Championship. But finishing in the bottom half of the WCC for most of your 9 year run at a school will get you fired.

The reason they waited so long is that he did everything you want a college coach to do except win.

The new AD was a clear sign that his tenure was over. She is from the east coast so expect search to include every assistant that is at a mid major Jesuit/Catholic school. (Villanova, Creghton, Xaiver ect)

Santa Clara is a good job. Im curious to see which direction the Broncos go in!
 
When you put on your big boy pants and take home big time pay you have to win games. Its D1 ball. How many local kids played for him? How do you not have any local players on your roster this year? I know a # of people who think otherwise of Coach Keating. Also Santa Clara recruits great students first. They always have. This goes back to Carrol Williams, Dick Davey, etc. Kids graduate here regardless of who the coach is. I'm glad to hear Keating continued this.

Hopefully they get somebody who can recruit locally. Clink is the perfect guy.
 
The players on his roster are all lower level D2 players who are not local kids.
 
I think Rex has another year. He is over .500 cumulative over the last 3 years. They went 15-15 this year.

But honestly the best job is Santa Clara. They have big time money and great facilities. Santa Clara school and gym is beautiful! They should let be this bad.
 
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Interesting times in the WCC. Conference is developing more depth and the pressure to stay in the top half of the standings is increasing.
 
larry legend33 said:
I think Rex has another year. He is over .500 cumulative over the last 3 years. They went 15-15 this year.

But honestly the best job is Santa Clara. They have big time money and great facilities. Santa Clara school and gym is beautiful! They should let be this bad.
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Another year for what? The likelihood of them making the tourney next year is really small. Rex had his time. I think Allocco was hired to replace him, AD should make the move now.
 
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I wasn't implying that Kerry should not have went..... I thought he should have been fired last year. But he is at best a decent recruiter and assistant coach at a high D-1 level.

I know kids graduate from SC.... but I still will say on his way out that he graduated his players, there was no academic scandal or recruiting violations....

He just didnt win.



larry legend33 said:
When you put on your big boy pants and take home big time pay you have to win games. Its D1 ball. How many local kids played for him? How do you not have any local players on your roster this year? I know a # of people who think otherwise of Coach Keating. Also Santa Clara recruits great students first. They always have. This goes back to Carrol Williams, Dick Davey, etc. Kids graduate here regardless of who the coach is. I'm glad to hear Keating continued this.

Hopefully they get somebody who can recruit locally. Clink is the perfect guy.
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When is the last time any coach won at Santa Clara? to my recollection, not even the great Steve Nash made it to the NCAA Trny in his 4 years.Keating had a good plan, could not get enough players. To his credit, he did recruit Brownridge who was Frosh of the Year and has been 1st Team All-WCC for the past 3. Harder to recruit to SC than you think, and by the way, the facilities are not that great, below average at best.
 
Santa clara made the tourney with Nash.

How is winning at Santa Clara defined? Conference title? The NCAA tournament?


Most non-major programs are non-major for a reason.
 
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As for Rex Walters I'm not suggesting he should still be employed. I just think he probably has another year. Alloco would be a great choice.

Are you crazy NS Basketball? The leavy center is absolutely gorgeous for a mid major program. If you told me St Mary's and USF had belo average facilities I would say heck yes. But no way in any shape or form does Santa Clara have below average. They have been regular host of the WCC tourney. Any kid would love to play in a place like that. The school is absolutely pristine too.
 
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NSBasketball said:
When is the last time any coach won at Santa Clara? to my recollection, not even the great Steve Nash made it to the NCAA Trny in his 4 years.Keating had a good plan, could not get enough players. To his credit, he did recruit Brownridge who was Frosh of the Year and has been 1st Team All-WCC for the past 3. Harder to recruit to SC than you think, and by the way, the facilities are not that great, below average at best.
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Made it three out of four years with Nash... First year beat 2 seed Arizona, his junior year made it lost first round senior year made it and beat Maryland first round. And won either WCC regular season or tourney 3 times while Nash was there. Probably above average for a mid major but I think success at that school has to be competing for conference title every couple years or so. Got to make some tourney appearances though...
 
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Interesting the local WCC team with the smallest, not necessarily the worst facility is St. Mary's. But they have been the best WCC team in the Bay Area and have been consistently in the WCC title chase over the past decade by bringing a mix of Aussie and local players.
 
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It seems as thought the new AD is willing to spend some money to bring in a "name" coach. She is already ripping the floors up and putting new designs down. They signed a new Nike deal with the hoops team, the facility is already good to go.

Santa Clara is a sleeping giant in the right hands!
 
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Santa Clara's entrance requirements are much tougher than USF or St. Mary's. The SCU waiting list is much longer too. Notice how few academically marginal kids play any sport at SCU. Also few JC transfers. The SCU academic reputation and resume are significantly more impressive than, say, Gonzaga or Portland too.
 
colhenrylives: Total BS. Please don't spread crap like that on this board. The entrance requirements of all WCC schools are nearly identical.
 
I'm going off personal experience but I also believe SCU is the best of all WCC schools academically as well. There engineering and business school carry a lot of weight. It was easier to get into USF or ST Mary's when I applied way back when.

All of these schools are really solid. Not suggesting otherwise. But SCU doesn't turn there head like CAL. Then again it's a total different level. UC Davis is another school that has challenges because there requirements are so tough.
 
Santa Clara has the toughest admissions for athletes in all of the WCC, not close. Trust me, it is a a factor when recruiting. Zero chance of a JC kid. The last 5 years Santa Clara has tried to model themselves after Stanford and have increased their academic entrance requirements to make it challenging.

You have to think outside the box there at Santa Clara in regards to recruiting for Men's Basketball

You need to hit the international scene hard, and recruit CA extremely hard, as well as the rest of the West Coast. Recruiting is so important to a college staff. You have to bring in players but first you must go and find them.

Some of these WCC schools have below average basketball talent. Santa Clara, Portland, USF, LMU, and USD do not have a lot of talent. The basketball level is a tad down, and St. Mary's despite horrendous facilities and scholarship restrictions, are still on the cusp of getting into the NCAA's.

Randy Bennett might be one of the most underrated D1 coaches in the country. Took a 2-27 team 15 years ago and has turned St. Mary's into a mid major power. Incredible job done by him.
 
Hoops124- Excellent post. Couldn't agree more. I know a person who went to SCU undergrad and then Stanford Grad. He actually thought SCU was every bit as hard and prepared him very well. My brother is an SCU engineering grad and its amazing how much weight that school has with the employment community.

In other news.... Poor St Marys. 27-5 and lose to the Zags in WCC title game. Does WCC get 2? Yikes. Personally I feel they deserve it but they've been snubbed before.
 
Then why do we ask Johnny Dawkins to win games? Sorry but SC is not Harvard. Small Jesuit Univ on the West Coast with sub-par basketball facilities, plain and simple. The Levy center was re-modeled but still doesn't compare to Gonzaga. No practice gym, no athletic housing ect.. I know for a fact that if you attend a local Jesuit school, maintain a 2.85-3.0gpa, your parents can drop the $50k a year, then your in.
 
CSN Bay Area is reporting that USF has let go of Walters this morning. If true where do they do for new coach?? Allocco or national search
 
I would guess Allocco and CCSF's Justin Labagh should be the starting point. It's important to get someone with good local ties.
 
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NSBasketball said:
Then why do we ask Johnny Dawkins to win games? Sorry but SC is not Harvard. Small Jesuit Univ on the West Coast with sub-par basketball facilities, plain and simple. The Levy center was re-modeled but still doesn't compare to Gonzaga. No practice gym, no athletic housing ect.. I know for a fact that if you attend a local Jesuit school, maintain a 2.85-3.0gpa, your parents can drop the $50k a year, then your in.
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Are you nuts. Times have changed. You can't get into a Cal State school with under a 3.0 these days and in most cases you need a 3.2-3.4 (minimum) A non athlete needs 3.8-4.0 to get into Santa Clara along with strong SAT. That is a fact. The Jesuit HS will take your $ even if you aren't Catholic or have great grades at that level but the college level is an entirely different ball game. Try going to UC Davis these days. You need a 4.0+ with good SAT scores. You aren't competing against the neighborhood kids anymore. These schools are open up the world.

You ever been to Spokane, WA? Sorry but its a dump. If Mark Few can recruit kids their somebody certainly should be able to recruit kids in the #1 job market in the country. Walk around Santa Clara's campus some day. Its like a mission style museum that is kept up like a country club.
 
Larry you make a fantastic point to adults.. unfortunately, most stud high school basketball players do not think about that sort of thing... they look for the basketball situation in terms of winning, developing pros, big crowds for home games, status on campus as a basketball star, etc...

of course there are some kids who will see the point you are making but for the most part kids aren't going to give appropriate weight to the SCU being one of the top universities in the country and right in the heart of Silicon Valley... that' why those things aren't necessarily factors in easily building a winning program here... Now if the program were to start winning regularly on the level of a St. Mary's (always competitive in he top half of the league at least, occasionally bumping Gonzaga off for the league crown), then the academic factors become gravy for the recruiting pitch.
 
Twitter- You got that right. Although I did read a great article about Jaylen Brown in the SF Chronicle today. Talk about a kid who has his head on straight. Really nice to see that such a fine basketball player has interest that extend beyond the round ball. Impressive young man to say the least.

Lets just hope SCU and USF can attract coaches that bring back hoops to the bay area. As a kid I have great memories of going up on the hill and watching the Dons play. A lot of tradition at both of these schools.
 
Fentons Cream said:
It seems as thought the new AD is willing to spend some money to bring in a "name" coach. She is already ripping the floors up and putting new designs down. They signed a new Nike deal with the hoops team, the facility is already good to go.

Santa Clara is a sleeping giant in the right hands!
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If she is willing to spend some money here are two names to consider: Steve Nash and Kurt Rambis. As a SCU class of 85 graduate I can guarantee you will get a tremendous amount of alumni support with either of these two!
 
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My understanding is that Santa Clara and USF will only spend about 300k to get a coach. Those guys will command 750k to 1million a year easily. In the WCC only Few and Bennet make more. If they spend the money they can get a big name. Or settle on someone's Asst. Coach waiting to be a head coach.
 
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My understanding is that Santa Clara and USF will only spend about 300k to get a coach. Those guys will command 750k to 1million a year easily. In the WCC only Few and Bennet make more. If they spend the money they can get a big name. Or settle on someone's Asst. Coach waiting to be a head coach.
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Sports09,

I heard that KK made 420k last year and RW wasnt far behind. I know its not 750k..... but I think the location of both university's to the possible candidates makes it at least a conversation to discuss terms.
 
If KK was making $420k he was over paid! Location does not mean nothing unless you live here full time. It's all about the money. These guys will command starting 750k. KK did not start at 420k, he probably started at the 300k range.
 
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As an alumni, I was against KK from the beginning. I think overall they would have done better with keeping Davies. Davies was a great coach for the talent level and always had overachieving teams (Nash years was an exception). KK was not a good fit for what the school wanted to achieve and the way they let Davies go gave me a bad taste. Not a good reflection of the institution.
 
Norcalsportsfan- Well said. I was a big Davies fan.

I would not doubt for a second KK was making 4bills for that Job and they will pay that much or more for the next person. I doubt they will go north of $500k however. Sadly $400k isn't as much money as you think it is when the average price of a very basic home is $1.2M around SJ/Santa Clara.
 
You are right...my aunt married a Davies...I know it is Davey....the brain does crazy things at times. :)

KK's FY 2014 salary was $380,062. He is Santa Clara University's second highest paid employee.
 
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