Legislator wants Bishop Gorman banned from football playoffs
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Those are the exact same issues many people have with DLS, but no legislators wanting to ban them.
At least to our knowledge, they haven't done anything wrong other than become a successful program that people want to play for. They have far more resources than the average high school (including privates such as DLS and the WCAL schools) combined with a coach who has clearly stated he wants to play the best programs he can find which leads to more exposure for the players, which in turn goes back to the original point that people will want to play for that program. Until there is something illegal going on that is exposed, just like we often challenge those who level the same charges against DLS, than in no way can you say that are out of control.
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.................stones and glass houses. Always hard to to get a conviction on conjecture.....
I wonder if Harvey Munford is next door neighbor with Henry Reid. Certainly they have similar goals - the need to remove the distinction between fellow Americans - I mean fellow Teams.
But on a slightly different angle on the BG issue, I heard from my LV friend that BG showed extreme unsportsmanlike behavior in the state final game by refusing to shake the hands of Reed players. That IS a problem if true.
But on a slightly different angle on the BG issue, I heard from my LV friend that BG showed extreme unsportsmanlike behavior in the state final game by refusing to shake the hands of Reed players. That IS a problem if true.
Hey Mumford its called De La Salle...The NCS in Norcal has had to deal with it for years. You might want to go see the movie. Folsom Just won DI Ca State Championship...Guess what....Public School...Fricken politicians..
Good point Bodyguard. The DLS concept of build a team not a star has allowed them to sustain success for many years. Looking at very recent history, they don't need transfers who come in with an inflated sense of self and don't understand the very backbone of the program.
Everybody's so lilly white. Please. Every school has their "questionable" transfers including a few into my kids'.
Typically smoothed by boosters in Football, and club coaches in hoops and BSB. You don't need pedigree like the recent Sparty NFL prodigy. But they did bring in two sophs for JV just a few years ago and those two starting RBs accounted for the majority of rushing O by senior year.
Typically smoothed by boosters in Football, and club coaches in hoops and BSB. You don't need pedigree like the recent Sparty NFL prodigy. But they did bring in two sophs for JV just a few years ago and those two starting RBs accounted for the majority of rushing O by senior year.
You cannot put a lid on any team or program and not allow them to excel. That is politicians using tactics to get votes. If you ban them, you are teaching people to complain and protest if they cannot keep up with someone else. In addition you are killing the spirit of competition in striving to be the best you can be. Got to do things the right way, it is much healthier for everyone and grows strength in the long run.
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Originally posted by observer22:
Those are the exact same issues many people have with DLS, but no legislators wanting to ban them.
There is a huge difference between DLS and most of these programs in that DLS rarely gets high profile transfers while these other programs depend on them.
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Bodyguard, I did not see anything in that article that mentioned transfers. It mentioned "Munford contends that Gorman has the ability to grant scholarships and recruit athletes from across the Las Vegas Valley while the schools they compete against are usually confined to athletes who live within that school's district boundaries.The current system gives Gorman unfair advantages, Munford said."
Those are the exact same issues many people have with DLS. Obviously there are a lot of differences between the 2 programs, but what DLS booster hasn't heard these same allegations ad nauseam every year?
Originally posted by observer22:
Those are the exact same issues many people have with DLS, but no legislators wanting to ban them.
There is a huge difference between DLS and most of these programs in that DLS rarely gets high profile transfers while these other programs depend on them.
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Bodyguard, I did not see anything in that article that mentioned transfers. It mentioned "Munford contends that Gorman has the ability to grant scholarships and recruit athletes from across the Las Vegas Valley while the schools they compete against are usually confined to athletes who live within that school's district boundaries.The current system gives Gorman unfair advantages, Munford said."
Those are the exact same issues many people have with DLS. Obviously there are a lot of differences between the 2 programs, but what DLS booster hasn't heard these same allegations ad nauseam every year?
This is the unfortunate part about the public versus private debate. Why were private schools created? Because of safety issues, education level, size. We will always see this until privates have their own championship and public has their own. You look at the Mckenzie and Davidson situations. If Davidson transferred in to DLS, would there have been any issue with his eligibility? No, because residency would not be a question. If Mckenzie transferred to O'Dowd?
I feel without any outside help, like enrichment programs, school districts would be more equal in terms of test scores. It's the extra income, the income parents are willing to spend to put kids into after school educational programs that drives test scores up in certain school districts.....it's not that district's teachers that are making the difference...though they may be benefitting from the extra parental support indirectly.
Legislature can't prevent Gorman from accepting kids from Reno, because they are not funding the school. Can legislature control the amount of monies the program spends on it's athletic programs? To single out one school is embarrassing for their legislature. Ridiculous......you regulate them from the start, not just one thing.
I feel without any outside help, like enrichment programs, school districts would be more equal in terms of test scores. It's the extra income, the income parents are willing to spend to put kids into after school educational programs that drives test scores up in certain school districts.....it's not that district's teachers that are making the difference...though they may be benefitting from the extra parental support indirectly.
Legislature can't prevent Gorman from accepting kids from Reno, because they are not funding the school. Can legislature control the amount of monies the program spends on it's athletic programs? To single out one school is embarrassing for their legislature. Ridiculous......you regulate them from the start, not just one thing.
If the transfer is athletically motivated, they could not transfer into DLS or O'Dowd. They would be deemed ineligible.
The odd thing about the whole Davidson debacle is that the OAL originally ruled that the transfer wasn't athletically motivated and had approved it. It wasn't until someone below the whistle on his true residency that it was shot down and he was then ruled ineligible, as obvious as the athletic motivation was.
I dont think someone transferring to an NCS school would receive such a wink and a nod from the commish, as evidenced by all the recent transfers shot down by NCS brass in different sports (see CVC).
The thing to do by each high school coach is not to schedule DLS and BG and let them figure who will take them on...How some of the coaches think that they can give these two teams a game is dreaming.....Why take on DLS or BG and get the crap kicked out of you....Does that make the team a better group, some people do.....And when a team goes into a state playoff and gets murdered 70-28, there is some thing wrong with that picture as Reed plays good football as does Jesuit, Del Oro, Serra and on it goes.
Look what happened to Folsom in both games they played against DLS, as good as team as Folsom was, they were no match
and if Folsom faced DLS this season, the same thing would happen again...So either don't schedule DLS or BG or do the next thing and forfeit and not be destroyed.....
As for DLS recruiting, its the alumni that does the promoting, they watch all these young teams and a general conversation with the parents and kids telling them what a great education they can get as well as play on a solid football team...From there its the parents and kids choice, but the seed has been planted....
Look what happened to Folsom in both games they played against DLS, as good as team as Folsom was, they were no match
and if Folsom faced DLS this season, the same thing would happen again...So either don't schedule DLS or BG or do the next thing and forfeit and not be destroyed.....
As for DLS recruiting, its the alumni that does the promoting, they watch all these young teams and a general conversation with the parents and kids telling them what a great education they can get as well as play on a solid football team...From there its the parents and kids choice, but the seed has been planted....
No doubt.
Seemed that the OAL Commish caved to outside pressure. White needs to stick to his guns. He did his research in the summer. From what I have heard, it ended up being a minor paperwork snafu that changed things- sounded to me like a technicality- after White started getting outside pressure. I also heard Lemmon was very aggressive in pressuring White which is goofy. Lemmon has sat back and watched the wild west in the southern section and done nothing towards them then decides to go after the OAL with its 8 teams. Weak move Gil.
Um, if they ban Gorman they have to ban Reed cause Gorman beats Reed for the title every year. This year it was 21-21 at one point and 35-21 at the half. Reed just needs a few more burners. When the Gigafactory opens they might get them. I'm tripping that Gorman beat CC.
BD- there is a plurality of families who choose to keep their sons in their 24/680 public for two reasons: A) Their neighborhood boundary school has equal or better academics- for "free"; and B) Their sons choose to compete against Sparty in FB (the best) and other sports (most are pretty good) instead of bailing on their homies.
Anybody who thinks DLS has a roster fully composed of kids/families who do not seek exposure through whatever streak/SBG resume/coaching legacy that exists probably also believes in the tooth fairy .
Anybody who thinks DLS has a roster fully composed of kids/families who do not seek exposure through whatever streak/SBG resume/coaching legacy that exists probably also believes in the tooth fairy .
