Miramonte JV looking for games
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I totally understand and respect the ability to have as many girls play as possible.
But as far as rules go, ccs must be different. It is my understanding that the frosh team has a max number of games, the jv team has a max, and the varisty team has a max. So a player could not play, say on the varsity team during the preseason (where those extra games would presumably be scheduled) and then move down to the jv for the regular season without sitting out the difference in games on the schedule. In other words, said player cannot play in 26 games, if the jv team was only allowed a max of 23 games.
I guess the rules are different (and simpler) in the ncs
But as far as rules go, ccs must be different. It is my understanding that the frosh team has a max number of games, the jv team has a max, and the varisty team has a max. So a player could not play, say on the varsity team during the preseason (where those extra games would presumably be scheduled) and then move down to the jv for the regular season without sitting out the difference in games on the schedule. In other words, said player cannot play in 26 games, if the jv team was only allowed a max of 23 games.
I guess the rules are different (and simpler) in the ncs
Yea must be because to my understanding SJS is Frosh (9th grade) JV ( 9th and 10th Grade) and Varsity (9th-12th). I would love to be able to have some 11th graders on JV for a extra year to develop vs me cutting them or keeping them on the team and them never getting any playing time.
I'm not sure, but that was how I understood it. I could very possibly be wrong, but I know at least a couple schools that seemed to abide by how I explained it. But the post season does not apply to that. Just the regular season scheduled games.
Each player is allowed to play 26 games PER team...If you have a Frosh, Frosh/Soph, JV and Varsity team, that is possible. But you can't just say, on we're JV this weekend or we're Frosh this weekend. That's totally bending the rules to the point of breaking....
Thats kind of what I was unclear about from the start... he was implying they were separate teams, but the same team?? I'm still confused...
Again, things may be done different up your way, but I'm almost positive that down here, once league starts, a JV play can be moved up but not back down again.
You have to understand I started this all by saying i get what/why you are doing this. And I support the intent. I am not trying to be negative at all, but I am questioning the legality based on rules I have personally seen/ read. So you say "whats the problem with this?"... well your league or the NCS may have a problem with it. Not me.
In the PAL, a player can move up to Varsity and back down to JV without limits. They may not play for both teams in the same day and they must abide by the total number of game limits. We had a school move down a varsity player for one game only to play against us (it was for the Championship) then move back up. Yeah, we still beat them.
I don't know how many other NCS (or girls) teams do this, but DLS has 2 boys frosh teams, and each have their own schedule and I'm assuming play up to 26 games. They are most likely not shuffling the kids up to JV or varsity much during the year, but it's certainly within the rules to have more teams.
Yea. All the schools in the WCAL also have 2 boys frosh teams. And each has its separate league, A's and B's.
On the girls side, most of the schools in the WCAL have a frosh team, at least enough to have their own league. I would assume if you made a frosh or frosh/soph team but your league didnt have enough other teams, then you could just schedule games with whoever, like DLS does for football as an "independent"?
On the girls side, most of the schools in the WCAL have a frosh team, at least enough to have their own league. I would assume if you made a frosh or frosh/soph team but your league didnt have enough other teams, then you could just schedule games with whoever, like DLS does for football as an "independent"?
My JV girls are young but look like they should be OK. Varsity (I'm an assistant) returns a strong soph in Lydia Manu and some good size. They had a productive summer and gained some great experience.
If you don't have enough kids for two non-varsity teams, then do what everyone else does and have only two. a JV and varsity. Cuts suck, and I completely hear you about the experience. But what about the experience of the kids at miramonte that could be on varsity but aren't because the program is allowing/recruiting kids from other areas: Martinez, Walnut Creek, Moraga? I mean those kids should be going to different schools and by "legally" coming to Miramonte, they're technically taking spots from kids who normally would have been in those teams. I remember Daryl getting fired for that yet Kelly probably hasn't even been questioned.
Like I said, this seems to be bending the rules as far as they can before the stick breaks. If you've talked to NCS and they're okay with it, then great and more power to you!
Come on now Clay K. Norcal is spot on. CN is a private school. You have several girls who reside in Orinda who are being put on JV as second and third year JV players who dominated JV last season. In their place are 4 freshmen. None who live in Orinda. Last season the same thing took place.
I'm not calling you out for breaking rules. But call a spade a spade man. Your JV has too many players because most of the Orinda girls were put on it because of all the out of the area girls.
I have no idea about the location makeup of your roster, or really how that works with miramonte... but yes, private schools do play by different rules in regards to attendance (compared to public schools), and that doesn't just apply to sports, thats how its always been so your "well they can do it, so why cant we?" whiny comment looks really sour, and petty to me. Do you want to compete for a "public school" title now? And what does playing since 5th grade have to do with location?
I loved playing basketball as a kid (played at every opportunity though I wasn't very good). If it doesn't break the rules (which, even if arbitrary, are still the rules), what's wrong with getting as many girls as possible to play as much basketball as possible? Girls still don't play much playground ball (pickup), so a program is still their main access to the game. When I wasn't good enough to play varsity, I still went to open gyms or the massive gym at Great Lakes Naval Training Center to play pickup (playgrounds snowed in in the winter). I'm guessing that now that girls can play high school ball (they couldn't when I went to school with Abraham Lincoln), some want to play just cause they love playing, not because they'll ever play varsity, let alone get a college scholarship. Sure, I live in Orinda, but I say more basketball for more girls. It has nothing to do with how good MM's varsity will be.
Well, I'll say that I never bashed miramonte. I did ask about the legality of the situation which you stated it was legal, so more power to you, go get those games.
But I will also say, someone called you out for something (and I dont know much about your players or enrollment trends), and you defended the program by trying to bring someone else down.. then it really just looks like you'll do anything to compete in the "same postseason" as you stated.
But I will also say, someone called you out for something (and I dont know much about your players or enrollment trends), and you defended the program by trying to bring someone else down.. then it really just looks like you'll do anything to compete in the "same postseason" as you stated.
since Im being called out by name I figure I will get my 2 cents worth.
Im not sure why CN was singled out in the 1st place since there are plenty of private schools in the east bay/so bay/ sac/stockton areas that could have been used as an example. Im guessing that missing.link comment about no cal stars in CN is prob accurate as to why.
Sants Rosa school district is OPEN ENROLLMENT. If you fill out the paperwork any kid can go to any hs. So this "recruiting anywhere" advantage that privates in other areas have doesnt exist in Santa Rosa . In fact CN doesnt have any kids from outside of sonoma county on their roster...with the furthest player away being 20 mins (Sebastopol).
OPEN ENROLLMENT has been a HUGE advantage to "west side " schools such as Montgomery and Maria carrillo. In fact " eastside" schools such as piner hs and elsie allen hs have been creamed by the mass exodus of students to the west side.
I would suggest to ClayK to use "private schools" in the future instead of singling any school out as I am sure he would prefer not to get into a finger pointing accusation war in regards to how kids get to schools.
I would like to say 1 more thing....
This is sports....
If you have too many kids....
MAKE CUTS!!!
there you go..simple enough...
EVERY person on this board who has played any sport im HS has had to deal with cuts...
Im done....Im going back to my bike riding at the gym now..
I totally agree...Cuts are a part of the game, but from what it seems like, Clay, is that if you cut a junior who resides in Orinda, then you're going to have to start dealing with the struggles that Daryl had to deal with for having outside players on the roster. All I was saying (no disrespect) was that it seemed like you were bending the rules, but if NCS said it was all good..then it's all good!
But to answer your question, yes, private schools CAN and do recruit from out of their boundaries. Public schools are not "supposed" to. If you're telling me that there was NO undue influence in those players coming to miramonte then great. But as I've heard, a majority of them play for Cal Stars...I love watching miramonte play..they're well coached, play hard and do the right things. I do wonder if they'd be the same with ONLY Orinda players?
Cardinal Newman draws ONLY from their surrounding community....
And has only had 1 player in the history of their program come from outside sonoma county (ukiah)
but wait...don't all the girls who come from outside the school attendance boundaries move into the free luxury apartments (cook and house keeper provided) across the street from the school? that would put them in Moraga, though within the school's attendance boundary.
after a career as a bedside nurse, trust me--not being impacted is way better than being impacted. if it allows the school to accept students from within the AUHSD, then from outside the district boundary, that's a minor advantage. however, if it moves the school closer to impaction, it probably isn't a good idea.
after a career as a bedside nurse, trust me--not being impacted is way better than being impacted. if it allows the school to accept students from within the AUHSD, then from outside the district boundary, that's a minor advantage. however, if it moves the school closer to impaction, it probably isn't a good idea.
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I know clay wont confirm this publicly, but is this a thing? That seems like oddly specific information for just throwing that out on a whim
well it seems as though you have deleted even more posts from this thread... I could have sworn someone else also said something hinting towards that. But no, I didnt realize he was joking.
on a side note: just lock the thread or delete the entire thing.. instead of deleting random posts from the conversation... assuming of course they weren't deleted by themselves
on a side note: just lock the thread or delete the entire thing.. instead of deleting random posts from the conversation... assuming of course they weren't deleted by themselves
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