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MITTY WBB ...... NATIONAL CHAMPS??? HUH?

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On her twitter feed dated 5/2/18 7:46am

Sue Phillips posting pics of her team wearing their NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP gear.
Huh???

YIKES!!! Seriously Mitty??? Sue Phillips???

Do I even need to get into why this is ridiculous?... I would hope not.

Quite frankly this is embarrassing for the school, kids, coaches.

NATIONAL CHAMPIONS????:rolleyes: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


*****CAN SOMEONE POST THE LINK TO THE TWEET???
 
Im sorry but I just find this tweet incredible.

You are seriously going to post that?

If I was a parent or player I would be incredulous about this.

Im actually having a hard time putting into words my feelings of disgust for this.
 
They had a great year. NorCal Open runner up is nothing to sneeze at, but to try to claim you are national champs is a huge stretch. They should have just accepted the publication’s mythical championship award without any fanfare and put it in the trophy case.
 
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Why wouldn't your celebrate the achievements of your program and your players?

This is private school hate -- or Mitty hate -- elevated to new levels.

You can argue about whether Mitty deserved to be national champs, but two of the four major services chose them, so it wasn't a fluke.

I don't get the rage ...
 
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ClayK said:
Why wouldn't your celebrate the achievements of your program and your players?

This is private school hate -- or Mitty hate -- elevated to new levels.

You can argue about whether Mitty deserved to be national champs, but two of the four major services chose them, so it wasn't a fluke.

I don't get the rage ...
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MITTY DIDNT WIN ANYTHING!!!!!!! Are you frign klidding me?

They lost in the SEMI FINALS of the STATE playoffs....didn't even make it to the state championship game? How can ANYONE argue they are NATIONAL CHAMPS???????
 
ClayK said:
Why wouldn't your celebrate the achievements of your program and your players?

This is private school hate -- or Mitty hate -- elevated to new levels.

You can argue about whether Mitty deserved to be national champs, but two of the four major services chose them, so it wasn't a fluke.

I don't get the rage ...
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I couldn't care less about Mitty..theres no hate here....Im just making the point they didn't win anything.

3rd place in state of Calif? and the team they lost to didnt even win the state title...National Champ?
 
They "won" the top ranking in the nation from two nationally recognized services. That achievement is very, very impressive ...

Sure, you can disagree, but your disagreement doesn't invalidate the two awards by groups that have no ties to Mitty, or California, for that matter.
 
Coach campbell might be able to clarify this, but I am pretty positive that Nike sponsored schools get that stuff sent to them by Nike. Can't exactly take it and stuff it in the closet when your sponsor sends you something for free... I'm sure everyone in that pic would trade those jackets for a banner (state championship banner)
 
And why be incredulous about it?? it doesn't affect your school, your team, your child, your coach, or yourself..
 
Maybe Sue could get the girls some socks that say "northbayguru doesn't agree with what's written on our shirts."

P.S. They did play the toughest schedule in the country and lost one game. Pretty good season.
 
I never said MITTY didn't have an amazing season.....because they clearly did.

BUT.....

In my entire life of being involved in sports...watching, playing, coaching...
when has a team won a national championship that didn't win their last game?

YOU MUST WIN YOUR LAST GAME TO CLAIM A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

If Mitty had in fact lost a game or 2 along the way in the regular season and gone on to win the OPEN state title I would have been 100% OK if they were named by some publication as National Champ.
And I would have celebrated it as I'm a Calif. WBB homer...

WHY? because the earned the right to be considered by winning the state title.

This National Title claim is nothing more than COMPETITVE EQUITY on a NATIONAL level.


WINDWARD has a better claim to the National Title.

All T-shirts, sweats and banners should be forwarded there.
 
Then contact espnW and the USA today and state your case. They defended their choices pretty vehemently (although begrudgingly too I'm sure) in their last rankings as to why they thought such. No one here on this board crowned them national champs so you're preaching to the choir or to deaf ears. The final rankings came out a month ago and you are only now raising your concern because they got some swag??
 
northbaybbguru said:
YOU MUST WIN YOUR LAST GAME TO CLAIM A NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!!
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You are confusing National Champions that win an end-of-season national tournament with "National Champions" that are named by someone in a poll. There's a big difference. And to be clear, the Mitty girls did not "claim" to be National Champions, they were "named" National Champions. By two prominent polls. (Still waiting to see who PayTC names as his nationnal champion -- did I miss that post?)
 
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OK. Great. If Mitty is a "national champion," what does that make Pinewood which defeated both SMS and Mitty within days of each other as the season drew to a close? "National Runner-up?" "Northern California Champion but National Champion Also-Ran?" "Thanks for Participating National Asterisk?" Just wondering. But you're right. Who really cares? Any poll is subjective. Let Mitty celebrate in peace. It's cold comfort anyway. Thanks for sharing.
 
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It is a "mythical" national championship for a reason. No one really knows who is the top team in the country without playing it out in March.

I'm sure Mitty couldn't just shelve the gear and not promote it, but my guess is they would take the on court Open Division state title over a national title
 
We named Central Valley out of Washington as our national champ, and some people disagreed with that pretty strongly. Riverdale of Tennessee had a strong case, but Mitty beat them on a neutral court -- same with St. John's of DC.

There was no clearcut national champ, and it depends how much you value the body of work as opposed to losing a game in the state playoffs.

I'd be pretty ecstatic if a team I was associated with earned any spot in the national rankings. There are about 15,000 high schools, so any mention is worth celebrating ...
 
What is worse:

1. Receiving the national championship gear or posting it?

2. Claiming national champs with 3rd/4th place state finish or claiming a CA D2 and below state championship as a real state championship?

3. Being selected as "All State" when it is clear Cal Hi Sports is completely moronic when it comes to their selections and rankings?
 
straightline50 said:
What is worse:

1. Receiving the national championship gear or posting it?

2. Claiming national champs with 3rd/4th place state finish or claiming a CA D2 and below state championship as a real state championship?

3. Being selected as "All State" when it is clear Cal Hi Sports is completely moronic when it comes to their selections and rankings?
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I think you’re hating because any of those things are pretty impressive feats! I would have thought that the Bay Area would welcome national recognition. Or maybe I’m dillusional...Grats monarchs!
 
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I think you’re hating because any of those things are pretty impressive feats! I would have thought that the Bay Area would welcome national recognition. Or maybe I’m dillusional...Grats monarchs!
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I’m pretty sure most would have welcomed and embraced it had they won the NorCal and state championships first. It just seems a little hollow to come up short locally. The national champion should logically come from the pool of state champions, not just a section champ. Not saying they don’t belong in the top 10, but I totally understand where NBGuru is coming from.
 
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I understand where NBGuru is coming from too, which is why Mitty wasn't No. 1 for MaxPreps, but the anger, exclamation points and vituperation level seemed to be a lot higher than it needed to be. It wasn't like Mitty or Sue did anything wrong, or influenced the decision -- they played their season, did the best they could, and were rewarded by two national organizations.

So why the hate?

And if you do get gear celebrating your national championship -- that you earned on the court by beating the three top teams in the country (at that time) on three consecutive days on a neutral court -- why not post it? Why the hate and anger? Maybe a congratulations followed by a caveat?
 
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our society is soft.. we can't accept anything that isn't our own narrative.. instead of just accepting what is, we have to complain and yell to anyone who will listen despite it having no affect on the result or outcome... #notmynationalchamp :rolleyes:
 
straightline50 said:
What is worse:

1. Receiving the national championship gear or posting it?

2. Claiming national champs with 3rd/4th place state finish or claiming a CA D2 and below state championship as a real state championship?

3. Being selected as "All State" when it is clear Cal Hi Sports is completely moronic when it comes to their selections and rankings?
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You are mistaken on a few items:

Mitty isn't "claiming" anything. Two different polls showed them as the top ranked team, based on an entire season's body of work. If they tried to proclaim themselves as the Calif. State champions you'd have an argument. They finished ranked number one - Nike recognized that "fact" and the team proudly showed off their gear. I'm confident that the other teams ranked number one by different services also proudly celebrated that honor.

Teams that won their respective state championship tournaments, regardless of division, are in fact state champions. Again, no one is "claiming" anything. Those were the rules put forth before the season began and everyone was playing by those same rules. You could certainly argue the winner of D5 isn't as good of a team as the winner or even runner up of D1, but then you get into those pesky rankings again that you hate so much.

Finally, I doubt that any of the players, their coaches or their families really care that you think the All State selections are "moronic". I would bet that each and every player is proud to be recognized for their talent and hard work. Perhaps instead of putting baseless statements out there you might want to suggest a better process. (I'm assuming that you have actually seen every player in the state multiple times and you've complied detailed scouting reports so you could support your own "non moronic" selections. ) Perhaps you can enlighten us on where all the errors were made.
 
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Anyone who doesn't see how getting 3rd place in California receiving national championship accolades is kinda crazy is in denial. You don't have to agree with the original poster but cmon now.
 
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Anyone who doesn't see how getting 3rd place in California receiving national championship accolades is kinda crazy is in denial. You don't have to agree with the original poster but cmon now.
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The State championship is one of several tournament splayed during the season - the TOC is another. While you may place more importance on the state tournament, as far as national rankings, obviously the other ranking services don't agree. My question would be, which tournament is actually harder to win - CA state or TOC, where Mitty in a span of 3 days defeated the #1, 2 and 3rd ranked team? Mitty had one loss, to a team that was currently ranked #2 in the state, a team it had soundly beaten earlier. No denial here, but certainly

If you don't agree with their final ranking, who, based on their entire season of work, should be ranked ahead?

But...my post wasn't defending the final ranking - it was the assertion that Mitty had every right to celebrate their final ranking, awarded from a completely independent source.
 
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Anyone who doesn't see how getting 3rd place in California receiving national championship accolades is kinda crazy is in denial. You don't have to agree with the original poster but cmon now.
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You're definitely not wrong. And I'm not saying they should have been named national champs. But again, look at those last rankings.. I'm too lazy to look it up now, but basically even espn/usa today said "look, we get this is crazy, we get they didn't win their state title, but we really feel we can't move anyone else above them". It's certainly strange for it to happen, and of course it is kind of hollow without an open banner, as observer stated, but at the end of the day it happened.

And again, this happened a month ago, and was tweeted about a month ago. So all I am saying is: if you have a problem with the rankings, then you're late to the party. If you have a problem with them receiving and posting about the provided swag, then I feel like you really aren't being realistic. If it were your team or your daughter you probably wouldn't think the same.
 
Basketball is a funny game. Any team can get hot and do well in a short period of time. Conversely a team can also get cold. Timing and matchups are important. While Pinewood had a good series in the later stages of the Nor Cal playoffs I would not even have rated them as the best team in norcal. They were very fortunate to beat SMS. They shot lights out while SMS had one of their worst shooting games in memory and it was not because of Pinewoods defense either. That is an effect of timing. I don't think it is totally out of line to say that Mitty because of their body of work can still be considered is the best team in NorCal , the state or the Nation.

It was actually Winward that was fortunate in that they faced Pinewood in the finals. Pinewood could not match up with Winward. Against either SMS or Mitty their star would not have been able to dominate like she did against Pinewood because they had no one athletic enough to contain her. The best team does not always win a tournament. Luck and the draw plays a big part. Winward is the State Open champion, but are they the best team in the state. In my opinion no!
 
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You are mistaken on a few items:

Mitty isn't "claiming" anything. Two different polls showed them as the top ranked team, based on an entire season's body of work. If they tried to proclaim themselves as the Calif. State champions you'd have an argument. They finished ranked number one - Nike recognized that "fact" and the team proudly showed off their gear. I'm confident that the other teams ranked number one by different services also proudly celebrated that honor.

Teams that won their respective state championship tournaments, regardless of division, are in fact state champions. Again, no one is "claiming" anything. Those were the rules put forth before the season began and everyone was playing by those same rules. You could certainly argue the winner of D5 isn't as good of a team as the winner or even runner up of D1, but then you get into those pesky rankings again that you hate so much.

Finally, I doubt that any of the players, their coaches or their families really care that you think the All State selections are "moronic". I would bet that each and every player is proud to be recognized for their talent and hard work. Perhaps instead of putting baseless statements out there you might want to suggest a better process. (I'm assuming that you have actually seen every player in the state multiple times and you've complied detailed scouting reports so you could support your own "non moronic" selections. ) Perhaps you can enlighten us on where all the errors were made.
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You put the sweatshirt on, took a picture and posted it on social media, You claimed it!

I hope the players that received honors do not think the selection of All State is moronic but do you know the two people that choose all state? I would bet my notes are far more detailed than theirs on certain selections. How about the Max Preps state rankings? Is the person that made those selections even aware that Division 5 in California is based on competitive equity?

Back to national champs, even if grandma made me the sweatshirt I am not putting it on and I am darn sure not taking photos and certainly not posting on social media.

This is my opinion and I don't need to be weather man to know when it is raining. Guru is spot on
 
All I can say is...finally the rest of the board.....or should I say everyone is seeing...
what have seen for years....
another weak move by a simply above average coach...
I could say so much...but I have already said it for the last 10 years...
I will not repeat all the things I have said...seems everyone else is now speaking for me....
Mic Drop!!!
 
Why is it a weak move? Two national organizations, including ESPN, named Mitty national champ. What if ESPN named you Trainer of the Year, even though another group named someone else? Would you then not say anything?

At least you now have moved Sue into the "above average" category ...
 
How can you be a national champ when you didn't win the state championship? That would be like Geno from UCONN putting on a national champ shirt this year even though they got bounced by Notre Dame. 36-1 is a great accomplishment but you aren't national champs. Guru is right. The funny thing is its not even an argument.
 
larry legend33 said:
How can you be a national champ when you didn't win the state championship? That would be like Geno from UCONN putting on a national champ shirt this year even though they got bounced by Notre Dame. 36-1 is a great accomplishment but you aren't national champs. Guru is right. The funny thing is its not even an argument.
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There is one difference: The UConn-ND argument was actually settled on the court during a final, structured tournament that decided the national champion. There is no such creature at the prep level; the ratings are entirely subjective at the close of a campaign. So Mitty's honor, though quite questionable, makes more sense than a UConn quasi-crown. But I do understand your point.
 
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larry legend33 said:
How can you be a national champ when you didn't win the state championship? That would be like Geno from UCONN putting on a national champ shirt this year even though they got bounced by Notre Dame. 36-1 is a great accomplishment but you aren't national champs. Guru is right. The funny thing is its not even an argument.
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I would say the better analogy would be a golfer being ranked number 1 even though they didn't win a major. It is based on an entire season's of work. It is no different than in football before the BCS Championship playoff system where a 2 loss team ends up being named the national champion over a 1 loss team due to a higher strength of schedule and better wins.

Mitty, from what Clay claims, had by far the toughest schedule in the country, played in the toughest league in the country and won the most difficult tournament in the country. Why is the state championship tournament more important than a seasons' body of work as far as rankings go?

Finally, since I don't follow other teams across the country to be able to make the claim that Mitty should have been ranked #1; my argument (and there is an argument) is that a state championship isn't the end all of final rankings.
 
larry legend33 said:
How can you be a national champ when you didn't win the state championship? That would be like Geno from UCONN putting on a national champ shirt this year even though they got bounced by Notre Dame. 36-1 is a great accomplishment but you aren't national champs. Guru is right. The funny thing is its not even an argument.
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I hate to belabor this point, but it wasn't Mitty's decision. ESPN and USA Today both chose Mitty as the national champ -- so apparently there was room for people who do this for a living to make Mitty No. 1.

It's easy to claim that there's no basis for it, but if so, then why did ESPN and USA Today pick Mitty? And thus the beef is with them, and their criteria, not with Sue Phillips.
 
Just curious Clay, but has any team that you ranked #1 in the Xcellent 25 ever decided that they did not deserve the number 1 spot?
 
SouthBayHoopFan said:
Just curious Clay, but has any team that you ranked #1 in the Xcellent 25 ever decided that they did not deserve the number 1 spot?
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Clay, have you ever voted a team #1 who didn’t make it to their state championship game? Just curious.
 
Actually tough call on this. First off Mitty didn’t “ask” for this, it was given to them. So hard to say it’s fully on them. If someone else felt this way, so be it.

But if I wasn’t even the best team in my own area on the court when it counted (NorCal) I’d have a hard time puttting on anything saying I was the best in the nation. I’d just accept what someone else bestowed on me and say, “thank you”. Then throw it in the garbage.
 
This is similar to what happened with the San Ramon Valley boys team in 2015, with one exception. They finished 3rd in both their league (EBAL) and NCS both times behind champion Monte Vista and runner up DLS.

Monte Vista was placed in the Open Division, and SRV got hot and swept the NorCal D1 playoffs before beating SoCal champion Chino Hills and the Ball brothers to win the state championship. The difference is that they won it on the court by running the table in their bracket and not in a poll.
 
As for MaxPreps, if Central Valley had not won the GEICO postseason event, I'm not sure what we would have done. As it was, an unbeaten team with two wins over nationally ranked opponents on a neutral court made it a fairly easy call ... but how could you put Riverdale or St. John's ahead of Mitty when Mitty beat them both on a neutral court?

Yes, Riverdale won its state title, but Tennessee was down a bit this year, and Riverdale faced no one at the level of Pinewood -- or even Salesian -- on its way to the championship.

St. John's won the WCAC, a very tough league, but it's only a few teams so the postseason wasn't anything like Mitty's grind. (For St. John's, it's as if the season ended after the WCAL playoffs ...)

And there were no other candidates that had a resume remotely close to any of those mentioned above.

Archbishop Mitty had a great basketball team that had a great season, and two respected national organizations declared them national champs. That's worth celebrating in my book ...
 
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