NCP Rankings

[larry legend33]

Streak,

I think you got Las Lomas too high. Understand they are 11-0 and have a great trio of guards but they struggled with a solid Newman team and it took OT to beat a very average MT Eden Team. I like them but they have no size and it will catch up. In fact I believe Montgomery and Newman will both play D2 out of NBL and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them end up knocking off LL. (Monty did last year). I would put the WCAL teams of Serra, Bellarmine, and St. Francis ahead. Also a couple teams knocking on the door. Whitney is 11-2 and 4 points away from being 13-0. Oak Ridge hasn't had a great preseason schedule but I've watched them and they have great size and solid coaching and returned just about everyone. 10-2 and should make some noise in the SFL. Big game 1-12 vs Folsom. Also hard to imagine DLS not in top 20. I think they will surprise some folks in a couple weeks.
Its early and league play starts so we get to see how these teams actually are.

 

[MoneyTeam0115]

Who would you put De La Salle in front of? @larry legend33 I’m pretty sure the loss to Fairfield at home is keeping them out of the top 20. But if they can get some key wins in league play I’m sure they can make an appearance.

 

[larry legend33]

DLS, loss to Fairfield really hurts. They lost to Serra Gardena by 1 who is very good and played a good Beverly Hills team close as well. I'm not sure I would put them ahead of anybody but I wouldn't bet against them playing some of those 10-20 type teams. They are good enough to beat Dublin for the league. We shall see. They play a very good Damien team in the MLK. They always play well in the MLK.

 

[youseechief]

I wonder why they always show well in their event? My money is on divine intervention.

 

[Streak One]

In terms of who beats who, it goes back to the sang, "styles make fights." Rankings are never meant to be linear (1 will beat everyone, 2 will beat everyone but 1 and so on). For Las Lomas, size is their issue, but you can't overlook what they have done so far. It should be rewarded until further notice (a loss or others posting more impressive wins). Don't forget, LL hammered St. Ignatius, who is in the running for league title in the WCAL.

De La Salle and Mitty if you want to throw them in too just don't get the benefit of the doubt based on the first month. Would it be surprising if they got on a run? Absolutely not. However, you have to honor what you are seeing.

 

[bones40]

18 and 19 are both to low in my opinion they may be the best two teams in NCS
D1 and Dublin has two losses to salesian and Sheldon so I find it hard to believe
there are 16 teams ahead of them and heritage for some reason never gets
the respect they deserve and I am not just talking about your rankings streak I am
just saying period over the last 2 years they have been a solid program.

 

[Amttbo]

Moreau Catholic is too high
Dublin is way too low!
Oak Ridge is not well coached. They have plenty of size and should be 13-0 with the cupcake Schedule they had. This is a team that should have made a ton of noise this year and upset some of the top teams in the sac area, but they will quietly win 20 games because of their ridiculously easy preseason schedule and be irrelevant because their coach doesn’t quite no what he’s doing. Not sure what Larry is talking about when he says good coaching. I watched them play this year as well and I was down in Palm Springs where they lost 2 games that they should have won by 20 with their size and talent. They also have a couple of obnoxious parents in the stands.

 

[Marcskit]

In terms of who beats who, it goes back to the sang, "styles make fights." Rankings are never meant to be linear (1 will beat everyone, 2 will beat everyone but 1 and so on). For Las Lomas, size is their issue, but you can't overlook what they have done so far. It should be rewarded until further notice (a loss or others posting more impressive wins). Don't forget, LL hammered St. Ignatius, who is in the running for league title in the WCAL.

De La Salle and Mitty if you want to throw them in too just don't get the benefit of the doubt based on the first month. Would it be surprising if they got on a run? Absolutely not. However, you have to honor what you are seeing.

Streak, I think you are being rigid on the Dublin ranking. Go back and look at their record. Then go to your computer and place them higher up in the rankings. Admit you might have made some small miscalculation and correct it already. No big deal in missing something, we all do it

Here's wishing you great hoops

 

[ARHS Stats]

Dublin lost to Berkeley.
Berkeley lost to Riordan.
Riordan lost to University.
University lost to Serra.

To move Dublin up, you also need to move Berkeley, Riordan, and University up.

 

[observer22]

Dublin lost to Berkeley in OT without their big man early in the season. Hard to drop them below a bunch of teams for that one.

 

[Streak One]

While injuries play a part in the rankings, you can't just overlook an on court result. I'm also not a fan of the Daisy chain result watching as the end all when it comes to slotting teams. What hurt Dublin and Heritage from moving up was Heritage's loss to Serra, who subsequently beat University. If Heritage wins that tournament, then the argument holds more weight.

Also, Riordan handling Berkeley is the type of result that really sticks

 

[bones40]

So does beating lesser quality opponents holds more weight then losing to quality
Opponents as far as rankings are considered?

 

[factsmatter8888]

This is a VERY VERY tough job. Fun for all of us. Thank you for taking a stab at it. I think its a great list to start with and overall pretty solid. There are some things I don't fully agree with but overall pretty tough thing to do spot on. Nice work!

 

[factsmatter8888]

Moreau Catholic is too high
Dublin is way too low!
Oak Ridge is not well coached. They have plenty of size and should be 13-0 with the cupcake Schedule they had. This is a team that should have made a ton of noise this year and upset some of the top teams in the sac area, but they will quietly win 20 games because of their ridiculously easy preseason schedule and be irrelevant because their coach doesn’t quite no what he’s doing. Not sure what Larry is talking about when he says good coaching. I watched them play this year as well and I was down in Palm Springs where they lost 2 games that they should have won by 20 with their size and talent. They also have a couple of obnoxious parents in the stands.

Are you one of the parents??? You sure sound like one!

 

[MoneyTeam0115]

@larry legend33 De La Salle just lost to Dougherty Valley!! Do you still think they are a top 20 team??

 

[observer22]

@larry legend33 De La Salle just lost to Dougherty Valley!! Do you still think they are a top 20 team??

Wow! I knew Sparty was down this year, but that’s a shocker. DV has been playing well but I don’t think anyone had them winning this one. Congrats to the Cats.

 

[MoneyTeam0115]

@observer22 has to be the first time De La Salle has lost to Dougherty Valley. But yes congrats to their program. Very well coached

 

[observer22]

@observer22 has to be the first time De La Salle has lost to Dougherty Valley. But yes congrats to their program. Very well coached

Definitely the first time. They haven’t played but a few times ever as DV just joined the EBAL last year.

 

[Marcskit]

Dublin lost to Berkeley.
Berkeley lost to Riordan.
Riordan lost to University.
University lost to Serra.

To move Dublin up, you also need to move Berkeley, Riordan, and University up.

ARHS Stats, I'm surprised you used this logic. This may be the first time in all the years I have known you to make a miscalculation
Here's wishing you great hoops

 

[Marcskit]

While injuries play a part in the rankings, you can't just overlook an on court result. I'm also not a fan of the Daisy chain result watching as the end all when it comes to slotting teams. What hurt Dublin and Heritage from moving up was Heritage's loss to Serra, who subsequently beat University. If Heritage wins that tournament, then the argument holds more weight.

Also, Riordan handling Berkeley is the type of result that really sticks

Streak, clarify the part where Dublin is hurt by Heritage loosing to Serra? I am sure you have a point, I just don't see it in that sentence.
My point was that Dublin's whole body of work puts them higher up, taking into account all the other teams. It's ok to disagree, i just want you to clarify that particular statement, as it is a bit confusing.

Here's wishing you great hoops

 

[Streak One]

Streak, clarify the part where Dublin is hurt by Heritage loosing to Serra? I am sure you have a point, I just don't see it in that sentence.
My point was that Dublin's whole body of work puts them higher up, taking into account all the other teams. It's ok to disagree, i just want you to clarify that particular statement, as it is a bit confusing.

Here's wishing you great hoops

Yes, my point was more regarding Heritage, but just poorly written.

Regarding Dublin, the question is who have they beaten besides Heritage? I don't think its right to reward bonus points just for playing Salesian and Sheldon. Sure, you don't get knocked that much for the losses, but that should be the end of it.

 

[meezymo]

Dublin lost to Berkeley in OT without their big man early in the season. Hard to drop them below a bunch of teams for that one.

A loss is a loss. Berkeley had 3 foul out and still won.No excuses. You win and lose with what you have on the court any given game.

 

[observer22]

Not making any excuses. Berkeley won the game. Just didn’t think it warranted 3 or 4 other teams to leapfrog them due to that loss.

 

[PrepDaddy]

My take. Dublin is better then Berkeley but truth be told, did lose the game without their star center Nielsen (6'8-6'9) in the middle and without the difference maker head coach Costello on the bench. Doesn't matter where teams are so called ranked right now but rather at the end of the season. Dublin should go undefeated in a pretty tough EBAL this season and their resume will speak for itself. Today's game is about dominant guard play and they have one of the best back courts in the area and to make matter worse, they have a center that is playing as well as anyone. They are still very young and will only get better as the season goes on. Are they as good as Salesian, no, but then again who is? They will be a 1, 2 or 3 seed in NCS and will have a great chance to win it from either spot. Great coaching, talented back court, dominant post player and a deep bench, that makes for a tough match up for anyone.

 

[thekingera]

I'd move Folsom into the top 3.