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I have questions...

How many teams make it to the Open?

4? 6? 8?

And is it like basketball where if u make the Open u automatically make it to Norcals?

If not automatically make it..how many do?
Winner only? Top2 only? Top 4?

Please only reply if u have the definite answer thanks
 
top 8 teams make it.

winner goes directly to norcals (or open if selected), two runners up play for the second spot (d1 regional)
 
northbaybbguru said:
I have questions...

How many teams make it to the Open?

4? 6? 8?

And is it like basketball where if u make the Open u automatically make it to Norcals?

If not automatically make it..how many do?
Winner only? Top2 only? Top 4?

Please only reply if u have the definite answer thanks
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Last season there were 8, divided into 2 brackets.

#1 (DLS) & #2 in a bracket with #7 & #8. Winner of this side of the bracket goes to NorCal as the NCS Open rep.

The winner of the lower bracket (seeds #3 through #6) plays the loser of DLS/#2 seed game for the NCS D1 rep. - See the 2023 brackets below:

 
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observer22 said:
Last season there were 8, divided into 2 brackets.

#1 (DLS) & #2 in a bracket with #7 & #8. Winner of this side of the bracket goes to NorCal as the NCS Open rep.

The winner of the lower bracket (seeds #3 through #6) plays the loser of DLS/#2 seed game for the NCS D1 rep. - See the 2023 brackets below:

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Such a dumb system. Why does DLS only get 2 playoffs games?? Just have a 1 through 8 playoff bracket if you make it to NCS championship you qualify for the bowl game it’s that simple oh wait cif doesn’t want teams coming off losses to immediately jump in a bowl game. NCS teams were 2-1 through coming off losses to DLS from 2016-2018 when the NCS had a real open division. Such a confusing and dumb system that makes no sense. Just my opinion
 
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northbaybbguru said:
I have questions...

How many teams make it to the Open?

4? 6? 8?

And is it like basketball where if u make the Open u automatically make it to Norcals?

If not automatically make it..how many do?
Winner only? Top2 only? Top 4?

Please only reply if u have the definite answer thanks
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So does a CN who looks like a top 4 NCS team this year gets pulled up into Open for NCS?
Top 3-4
DLS
Pitt
Newman/SRV
 
larry legend33 said:
So does a CN who looks like a top 4 NCS team this year gets pulled up into Open for NCS?
Top 3-4
DLS
Pitt
Newman/SRV
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you gotta be kidding me. newman is not a top 4 team, calm down. they are right in the mix with the best of the second teir teams though, which is GREAT for a school of their size. teams that are inarguably better than them (in no order):

dls
pitt
san ramon valley
liberty
clayton
acalanes
el cerrito

anybody else, they can beat on any given friday. fascinated to see how they do against san marin and windsor this year.
 
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larry legend33 said:
So does a CN who looks like a top 4 NCS team this year gets pulled up into Open for NCS?
Top 3-4
DLS
Pitt
Newman/SRV
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I thought that there was some new rule that you can only play up or down 2 divisions in the playoffs based on attendance…. I believe this would put Newman in D4 so D2 would be the highest they could play?….

Not sure if that is totally correct though….
 
THEOC89 said:
I thought that there was some new rule that you can only play up or down 2 divisions in the playoffs based on attendance…. I believe this would put Newman in D4 so D2 would be the highest they could play?….

Not sure if that is totally correct though….
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there is an exception for d1. top 8 teams make d1 regardless of division, if a d4 team loses in d1 they can then return to d4 bracket
 
MOlST AND PLUMP said:
you gotta be kidding me. newman is not a top 4 team, calm down. they are right in the mix with the best of the second teir teams though, which is GREAT for a school of their size. teams that are inarguably better than them (in no order):

dls
pitt
san ramon valley
liberty
clayton
acalanes
el cerrito

anybody else, they can beat on any given friday. fascinated to see how they do against san marin and windsor this year.
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Top 3 no doubt which I why I had them at 4. Maybe they are 5 but certainly are in the top 8 in NCS. Hell they are top 15 on NCP out of all teams.
 
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Windsorjagalum said:
That's funny top 4 team in NCS, maybe they should focus on being top 4 in their league first! 🤔 Haven't beaten Windsor or Marin Catholic in a few years that should probably be there first priority.
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Thats just a homer comment by somebody not well informed. Newman hasn't finished lower than 2nd place in league in probably 25 years and won't even being in the tougher newly formed league. Windsor, SM , and MC both lost tons of players and are still good but in rebuilding mode. Marin Catholic will likely be 0-3 after the manteca game. Tough year to schedule up but props to them.
Newman plays a much improved ODOWD team in a few weeks. That is my 1st worry.
 
Is there section more messed up than NCS? SJS has its areas of desire, for certain, and CCS, arguably, is too math based...but NCS having losers advance is a joke. If anyone ever questioned whether or not the playoff format(s) in CIF are arranged for some deadbeat to make over six figures sitting on their keister all day, look no further than the NCS football playoffs.
 
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Macallan said:
Is there section more messed up than NCS? SJS has its areas of desire, for certain, and CCS, arguably, is too math based...but NCS having losers advance is a joke. If anyone ever questioned whether or not the playoff format(s) in CIF are arranged for some deadbeat to make over six figures sitting on their keister all day, look no further than the NCS football playoffs.
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ccs has losers play on too. so does san diego. this is not novel to ncs.
 
THEOC89 said:
That would be a Joke…. I thought I read that the the top 8 are put in the Open regardless of Division and the Open runner up drops into the D1 final?….. 🤣
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It does.

The NCS “base” divisions are not like those in other sections. They just matter in two ways:

1. The section has always had a 0.500 rule where you had to finish at least that overall, in league, or… against teams within your “base” (i.e., enrollment) division. The base division includes non-NCS teams that have enrollments within those divisions (all like-sized schools they played).

2. If a team does not qualify for D-Open/D-1, then a base division may limit how much higher or lower they can compete in the playoffs. For example, Cardinal Newman has a base division of 6. If they are not among the top 8 teams in the section, they can still make the playoffs, but in no higher than D-4. Deer Valley, being a member of base division 2, cannot play lower than D-4.

All teams are eligible for D-Open/D-1. The top 8 teams are placed there, then the next 8 are in D-2 (with the above stipulation). The divisions and seeds are supposed to be determined by the Maxpreps (really, Calpreps) ratings.

That said, there can still be a human element “for the good of the bracket”.

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Cal 14 said:
It does.

The NCS “base” divisions are not like those in other sections. They just matter in two ways:

1. The section has always had a 0.500 rule where you had to finish at least that overall, in league, or… against teams within your “base” (i.e., enrollment) division. The base division includes non-NCS teams that have enrollments within those divisions (all like-sized schools they played).

2. If a team does not qualify for D-Open/D-1, then a base division may limit how much higher or lower they can compete in the playoffs. For example, Cardinal Newman has a base division of 6. If they are not among the top 8 teams in the section, they can still make the playoffs, but in no higher than D-4. Deer Valley, being a member of base division 2, cannot play lower than D-4.

All teams are eligible for D-Open/D-1. The top 8 teams are placed there, then the next 8 are in D-2 (with the above stipulation). The divisions and seeds are supposed to be determined by the Maxpreps (really, Calpreps) ratings.

That said, there can still be a human element “for the good of the bracket”.

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Thanks for the Breakdown!…. That makes a lot more sense…. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out!….
 
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THEOC89 said:
Thanks for the Breakdown!…. That makes a lot more sense…. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out!….
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It sounds like a good system. Good to see the NCS finally join the 21st century.
 
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THEOC89 said:
Thanks for the Breakdown!…. That makes a lot more sense…. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out!….
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Its still early and Newman has a huge game against a very good Windsor team but if they win that (which I fully expect) then I don't see how Newman won't be in the open especially if they get by Marin Catholic as well.
 
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larry legend33 said:
Its still early and Newman has a huge game against a very good Windsor team but if they win that (which I fully expect) then I don't see how Newman won't be in the open especially if they get by Marin Catholic as well.
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Marin Catholic best player BBD is out for a long time too so teams are going to catch MC without their best most explosive player, MC can’t shake the injury bug this year
 
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Marin Catholic best player BBD is out for a long time too so teams are going to catch MC without their best most explosive player, MC can’t shake the injury bug this year
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Well, it may not be all doom and gloom. It’s possible they could end up winning by losing.

Right now, they are rated #6 in the NCS. If they drop a game or two, they’ll likely get knocked out of the top 8. That means, they will only play (at most) in D-4.

The craziest thing would be if San Marin ends up #8. They’re currently #9. I can see a “for the best of the bracket” be used here to move Clayton Valley (current #10) to the Open, while Liberty (current #8) and San Marin play in D-2.
 
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Probably the Biggest game in Norcal this week is Windsor Vs Newman. Both are 5-0 and have built a big rivarly over the years.
Windsor comes into this season having lost a few really good players but still has Anderson a couple other studs so I never count them out. Haven't played a very good preseason so this will be there first test. Newman looks to have one of their better teams since the Cronin era ended. On film they are the favorites right now but its been a few years since Newman has beaten Windsor so expect a very good matchup. If newman can establish some variation to the run game and get the young QB some completions, I think they control the game and the outcome. Their line can compete at the D1 level. Newman wins and they are almost a lock for Open NCS.
 
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The tough thing is for whoever comes out of the Redwood league, the top NCS teams appear to be stacked:

DLS, while “not having one of their better seasons”, is currently 5-0 and the top rated team in NorCal, with wins over Serra, SF, SMS, Grant & EC. And they are DLS.

Pitt is 4-1, and had a very impressive showing at Bosco, and double digit wins against upper tier CCS teams Riordan & Los Gatos.

SRV is 6-0 once again this season, with impressive wins over the top WCAL team SI 27-10, a solid Soquel squad, and big wins over perennially tough programs Mack & CVC. They came within a missed FG of beating DLS last year, and are primed to give them a tough matchup again this season.
 
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The tough thing is for whoever comes out of the Redwood league, the top NCS teams appear to be stacked:

DLS, while “not having one of their better seasons”, is currently 5-0 and the top rated team in NorCal, with wins over Serra, SF, SMS, Grant & EC. And they are DLS.

Pitt is 4-1, and had a very impressive showing at Bosco, and double digit wins against upper tier CCS teams Riordan & Los Gatos.

SRV is 6-0 once again this season, with impressive wins over the top WCAL team SI 27-10, a solid Soquel squad, and big wins over perennially tough programs Mack & CVC. They came within a missed FG of beating DLS last year, and are primed to give them a tough matchup again this season.
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You are right. Its not going to be easy.
I'm getting ahead of myself but..... I could see a great #4 vs #5 matchup in round 1 with Newman Playing El Cerrito. EC should have no issues running the table from here on out and likely will be #4 seed with Newman a possible #5. (or #4) Winner of this game would get Pitt or SRV. Ouch.
 
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