Pinewood WINS !!!!!
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Not crazy but they need to patch roof from all the raining 3's. I TAUGHT THE weatherman said I was supposed to be sunny today not raining.The biggest mistake is not playing Cayton the whole game. But i remember Brookside beat Pinewood at neutral Court but they not hitting 3's until the end of the day. The question is how good will SMS be next year scent he played the sophomores more then the Cayton bad choice.
The question is ... how many did they miss? I think I only counted 2. Never have I seen a team so hot from beyond the arc, at any level. Pinewood's marksmanship reminded me of Villanova's 1985 performance vs Georgetown, where they shot 78.6% from the field and won 66-64. Pinewood was just too hot for SMS to handle! Totally caught SMS off guard. Coach G was out-coached and the SMS team was outplayed. Just not SMS's night. As I once posted, SMS does not play so well in Blanchard gym. But, Pinewood can definitely play ball in this gym.
I know there are bunch of young girls in Texas celebrating just as much as these Pinewood girls. Duncanville will be #1 in the nation, even if Miramonte runs the table.
Wow ! that was a big upset no doubt. Congratulations to Pinewood and Miramonte. Hopefully the winner can keep the open Championship title up north.
The biggest mistake was not playing man on man defense earlier in the game. That was way too many 3's to give up. Not calling a timeout with 10 sec left with the ball and a chance to tie might have helped, too, but maybe not. Pinewood would probably look to foul risking giving up a tying 3 as SMS shooting from behind the line not so good tonight. But, this might have lead to a made FT and a rebound or steal to tie or win. So, I still think a TO would have been good, especially seeing the panic in the SMS players as time was running out. Total loss of composure. Whatifs just don't matter after the game is over. Again, outstanding job by Pinewood.
SMS will be back next year. Sure, Cayton and Tudor graduate. But, the depth of this team leaves plenty to look forward to. Aquira will be back and her game will even get better. Naje can shoot the 3, something that was not quite there for Tudor tonight. Cayton will be missed just like Tudor. But, as long as Aquira is back, SMS will still be strong. The younger SMS players will get to grow and showcase their skills, and if SMS is getting a couple of freshman expected to make an impact, I don't think the SMS fans, their team, or coaches are thinking this loss means the end of the world. The SMS team this year should feel very proud of the winning streak they had up until tonight and the accomplishments up until tonight.They won the Nike TOC's and traveled east to win a big tourney, as well. They won this thing last year. Yes, just like Coach G said, this CIF Open is even a bigger tournament. Having won last year was great. Having lost this year is disappointing. But, it's not the end of the world. Good luck to both Pinewood and Miramonte! It's their turn to experience the opportunity SMS had last year. Now, go get it!
SMS will be back next year. Sure, Cayton and Tudor graduate. But, the depth of this team leaves plenty to look forward to. Aquira will be back and her game will even get better. Naje can shoot the 3, something that was not quite there for Tudor tonight. Cayton will be missed just like Tudor. But, as long as Aquira is back, SMS will still be strong. The younger SMS players will get to grow and showcase their skills, and if SMS is getting a couple of freshman expected to make an impact, I don't think the SMS fans, their team, or coaches are thinking this loss means the end of the world. The SMS team this year should feel very proud of the winning streak they had up until tonight and the accomplishments up until tonight.They won the Nike TOC's and traveled east to win a big tourney, as well. They won this thing last year. Yes, just like Coach G said, this CIF Open is even a bigger tournament. Having won last year was great. Having lost this year is disappointing. But, it's not the end of the world. Good luck to both Pinewood and Miramonte! It's their turn to experience the opportunity SMS had last year. Now, go get it!
Bulldog, you have been very gracious tonight for such a die hard SMS fan, and I'm sure that loss hurt big time.
No excuses or blaming the refs. Just a good luck wish to the remaining teams. I'm impressed.
No excuses or blaming the refs. Just a good luck wish to the remaining teams. I'm impressed.
St Marys have at least 3 D1( not mid major), one is a top player of her class , they have al the advantage in the world, experience, height, talent. Unbelievable!!!
I always believe skills/fundamentals and great coaching wins!
I'm STILL waiting for Pinewood to start tanking... LOL!
I would have thought DeCosta would have dominated inside ... I'm not surprised Pinewood broke the press, as they are superb at that, and three-point shooting teams always have a puncher's chance, but Pinewood had no one to guard DeCosta -- or so I thought.
Decosta led all scorers with 27 points. But, she couldn't do it all. The rest of the SMS team failed to step up their offense. Poor coaching on D by coach G left too many open 3's for Pinewood. The press worked early to get SMS into the game. But, instead of Pinewood breaking it with layups, they settled down and broke it with 3's. As every Pinewood 3 went in, it created pressure for SMS to do more. Pinewood played like they had nothing to lose. Whereas, SMS had everything to lose. IMHO, when SMS was up by 10, they took their foot off the gas pedal. All of a sudden Pinewood's 3's creeped up and Pinewood captured the lead, which they would not surrender. Draining the clock with a comfortable lead, SMS still found a way to climb back into the game at the end. But, it was not enough. The SMS 3's just weren't there. It was virtually Decosta vs Pinewood 3's. SMS only made 6 3's vs Pinewood's 16 3's. Pinewood's 3's won.
Btw. One of Pinewood's players went down with an ankle injury. She had 6 3's herself before she left the game. Hope she heals and can play vs MM.
Btw. One of Pinewood's players went down with an ankle injury. She had 6 3's herself before she left the game. Hope she heals and can play vs MM.
Injuries was one of the things I feared for all the teams. I dislike seeing players get injured more than losing. Who was the injured player?
Also I wasn't there but from what I read it seems like two things happened. SMS was cold from the outside and Pinewood was red hot. And SMS didn't make an adjustment instead tried to win the one way they have always won which its press, push the tempo and hit the 3 ball. I think based on the circumstances slowing the game down and using your inside advantage may have worked better.
Not that you have to run the same way for 4 quarters, but mix it up a bit. But upsets have happened to the best of them. That's why you must play the game.
Congratulations to both teams on impressive seasons. For SMS to have taken on the best in the nation successfully speaks volumes. I'm not sure many teams could have pulled off what they have done the past two seasons. They are winners anyway.
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Pinewood played with a lot of poise, discipline, and confidence. They are obviously very well coached. The energy of SMS looked sporadic. They actually looked slower than normal, and shot the ball from the 3 point line about how the Warriors did against the Lakers. While Pinewood hit a lot of big 3 pointers. On that evening Pinewood was the better team.
And only 1 senior. Most of the 3 pointers were provided by Astrom#20 and Jump #24,( both freshman) impressive showing !
Thanks for posting the game. Here's wishing Poindexter-McHan #30 a speedy recovery.
Congratulations Pinewood !
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my initial analysis...
a) i didn't think that pinewood shot quite as well as posts on the board made it sound. I think one quote said someone didn't remember them "missing more than 2 3's" (or something along those lines..) and by my count they were 16-31 from beyond the arc. Of course its a good day when you're 50+% from beyond, but its not the unbelievable shooting performance that it sounded like when i think they probably shoot 40+% on the season. Take in to account that they got the looks from 3 that they want to take/ practice every day and it really shouldn't be shock that half went in... which leads me to my next point...
b) SMS made zero defensive adjustments. ZERO. sure they picked up their press full court, 3/4 court, just past half, went man, ect. but in all those changes they were still giving up the same looks over and over again, which in my mind is not an adjustment. Its systematic for SMS to help strong side on the drive, its also systematic for pinewood to pitch to the corner when help comes from the strong side... guess who won that battle. A simple adjustment would have least made PW beat them with something different than their strongest attribute. It looked like Tom doesn't even bother with a scouting report.
congrats to both teams for a hard fought game/season.. sad that someone had to lose but it was entertaining as heck
a) i didn't think that pinewood shot quite as well as posts on the board made it sound. I think one quote said someone didn't remember them "missing more than 2 3's" (or something along those lines..) and by my count they were 16-31 from beyond the arc. Of course its a good day when you're 50+% from beyond, but its not the unbelievable shooting performance that it sounded like when i think they probably shoot 40+% on the season. Take in to account that they got the looks from 3 that they want to take/ practice every day and it really shouldn't be shock that half went in... which leads me to my next point...
b) SMS made zero defensive adjustments. ZERO. sure they picked up their press full court, 3/4 court, just past half, went man, ect. but in all those changes they were still giving up the same looks over and over again, which in my mind is not an adjustment. Its systematic for SMS to help strong side on the drive, its also systematic for pinewood to pitch to the corner when help comes from the strong side... guess who won that battle. A simple adjustment would have least made PW beat them with something different than their strongest attribute. It looked like Tom doesn't even bother with a scouting report.
congrats to both teams for a hard fought game/season.. sad that someone had to lose but it was entertaining as heck
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thank you so much for posting this video, superb quality and camera work! can't help but asking if this videographer will be working Sleep Train on Saturday…might have to wear poncho (that's ok, it'll be raining) and conceal camera. TW agents will be the ones scanning the crowd w binoculars, or roaming around looking pissed off.
I thought the refs were even-handed.
I thought SMS defense was superb, intense, frustrated by…
astonishing discipline and composure by Pwd. extra pass, often a touch pass, to find open teammate. was hot from 3 (coming from Pwd, that translates really, really hot) but not sold-my-soul-to-the-devil hot. SMS may have been sub par by their fans' standards, but Pwd was REALLY REALLY good.
thank you so much for posting this video, superb quality and camera work! can't help but asking if this videographer will be working Sleep Train on Saturday…might have to wear poncho (that's ok, it'll be raining) and conceal camera. TW agents will be the ones scanning the crowd w binoculars, or roaming around looking pissed off.
I thought the refs were even-handed.
I thought SMS defense was superb, intense, frustrated by…
astonishing discipline and composure by Pwd. extra pass, often a touch pass, to find open teammate. was hot from 3 (coming from Pwd, that translates really, really hot) but not sold-my-soul-to-the-devil hot. SMS may have been sub par by their fans' standards, but Pwd was REALLY REALLY good.
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I had it 16 of 32 from three, which is very good but not hugely spectacular.
1) SMS looked tired, especially at the end of the game. I think a) they were tired, and b) they weren't expecting to have to fight to hard.
2) Pinewood just sagged off Sierra Smith, which clogged the lane -- and she didn't punish them for that move.
3) Pinewood ran a four out against the zone, and as I've found over the years, a well-spaced four-out set will generate open threes if the offensive team is patient and makes crisp passes.
4) When Pinewood got ahead 63-59 and SMS called a time out, you could sense that Pinewood started to believe it could win. And SMS just didn't handle the mental pressure down the stretch that well.
Still, watching the tape, especially in the first half, it was hard to believe SMS would lose -- and that's taking nothing away from Pinewood.
1) SMS looked tired, especially at the end of the game. I think a) they were tired, and b) they weren't expecting to have to fight to hard.
2) Pinewood just sagged off Sierra Smith, which clogged the lane -- and she didn't punish them for that move.
3) Pinewood ran a four out against the zone, and as I've found over the years, a well-spaced four-out set will generate open threes if the offensive team is patient and makes crisp passes.
4) When Pinewood got ahead 63-59 and SMS called a time out, you could sense that Pinewood started to believe it could win. And SMS just didn't handle the mental pressure down the stretch that well.
Still, watching the tape, especially in the first half, it was hard to believe SMS would lose -- and that's taking nothing away from Pinewood.
I can hardly believe that SMS can pressure the ball all over the court the way they do. they don't have 7 defenders on the court (just seems that way) but it requires tremendous physical exertion. Pwd, hanging in there, might have worn them out. I'm guessing most opponents crack early, and for a while Pwd seemed to be cracking in the first half, but they regrouped.
I was not the camera man - simply googled the game and found it on youtube, so I can take no credit
Some of you make some very valid points. One thing I have always instilled in my kid is to never sleep on, under estimate anyone, so rest assure Sierra did not think this game was going to be a walk in the park.
The loss hit her hard, not because she thought it was a sure thing, or impossible for them to lose, but more so because they worked so hard to get where they were, and the game was more than attainable to win.
One point made is that Pinewood sagged off and left Sierra wide open. Great strategy if you ask me, as Sierra is not one of the best 3 point shooters. In her defense, anyone that has seen Sierra play on the AAU circuit knows she can and will score at will. The system at SMS just does not afford her the same opportunities, is not set up for her to create for herself and/or play off of instinct. It's a system.
Sierra has a very distinctive role on the team and scoring is not one of them. Believe me, if she had the go ahead she would. She is a very unselfish and coachable player, which has made it easy for her to fall into her role. Not to say it hasn't been a challenge for her, as she has definitely sacrificed a lot, taken away from the player she is for the sake of her team.
No team, no player is infallible. Being the #1 team in the nation, being undefeated for as long as SMS was, is not easy. The pressure was immense. I am very proud of all of the girls and their accomplishments. One game, in my opinion, does not wipe away what they have done.
I also want to commend Pinewood, their players and coaching staff for one heck of a game! As disappointing as it is to have loss to them, it's hard not to respect them for what they were able to accomplish, and all the heart and hustle it took to get it done.
The loss hit her hard, not because she thought it was a sure thing, or impossible for them to lose, but more so because they worked so hard to get where they were, and the game was more than attainable to win.
One point made is that Pinewood sagged off and left Sierra wide open. Great strategy if you ask me, as Sierra is not one of the best 3 point shooters. In her defense, anyone that has seen Sierra play on the AAU circuit knows she can and will score at will. The system at SMS just does not afford her the same opportunities, is not set up for her to create for herself and/or play off of instinct. It's a system.
Sierra has a very distinctive role on the team and scoring is not one of them. Believe me, if she had the go ahead she would. She is a very unselfish and coachable player, which has made it easy for her to fall into her role. Not to say it hasn't been a challenge for her, as she has definitely sacrificed a lot, taken away from the player she is for the sake of her team.
No team, no player is infallible. Being the #1 team in the nation, being undefeated for as long as SMS was, is not easy. The pressure was immense. I am very proud of all of the girls and their accomplishments. One game, in my opinion, does not wipe away what they have done.
I also want to commend Pinewood, their players and coaching staff for one heck of a game! As disappointing as it is to have loss to them, it's hard not to respect them for what they were able to accomplish, and all the heart and hustle it took to get it done.
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Notice how all the made threes were from the corners? The 2nd most efficient shot in basketball after the layup. They know what they're doing in Los Altos Hills.
that's interesting. how so? would think that backboard gives extra chance for long attempt from the top of the key to go in. even though everybody knows that a banked three that the shooter doesn't call as a bank doesn't count. not to mention that free throws are pretty effective.
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I have sympathy for your daughter, the rest of the team, and the fans. your team compiled a staggering body of work this year. a great dream, while inspiring, can also carry a weight. I never saw the 2008 SHC squad, but your team is the best I've ever seen. the good news, I guess, is that everybody will move on and get over it, and the kids particularly will have a lesson in disappointment. I realize there could have been better news. thank you for broaching this difficult subject.
This is only true in the NBA and FIBA where the corner three is shorter than the others.
Next year for SMS will be a learning experience without all the big name players that everyone knows Cayton and Tudor. This will put more pressure on players to set the tempo of the game and some make consistent 3's. Smith will take some of the pressure if she is allowed create and score but when she does that she take a seat this year. The question now is how good will they be next year.
The press that SMS try to run against Pinewood didn't work because Pinewood has to many ball handles. The press they run just cause chaos not real defense because the don't breakdown and closeout. Pinewood shoots very well from 3'S all year. Brookside defended them very well on the 3's because the closeout and didn't give them the a lane to drive and create to kick for a 3 or the backdoor they live off with bad closeout.
Next year they will have some growing pain without the big names everyone knows. They still will be good but not like this year. Who will step up for them????
The press that SMS try to run against Pinewood didn't work because Pinewood has to many ball handles. The press they run just cause chaos not real defense because the don't breakdown and closeout. Pinewood shoots very well from 3'S all year. Brookside defended them very well on the 3's because the closeout and didn't give them the a lane to drive and create to kick for a 3 or the backdoor they live off with bad closeout.
Next year they will have some growing pain without the big names everyone knows. They still will be good but not like this year. Who will step up for them????
I didn't intend to criticize Sierra ... just pointing out one thing Pinewood did. She's a fine player. Where will she play next year?
As for the press, Pinewood looked to be on the edge of disaster almost every time, but more often than not, staggered through and got the ball upcourt. I've had teams like that -- our pressbreak looked like the dog's dinner, but somehow we would get it done, and then after a while, the kids started to believe they could break any press. It was still ugly, but confidence, as with everything, makes a huge difference.
As for the press, Pinewood looked to be on the edge of disaster almost every time, but more often than not, staggered through and got the ball upcourt. I've had teams like that -- our pressbreak looked like the dog's dinner, but somehow we would get it done, and then after a while, the kids started to believe they could break any press. It was still ugly, but confidence, as with everything, makes a huge difference.
kkross22,
Sierra and..........
SMS can hold their head's up high in my book. No team has accomplished what they have in the past two seasons. To win the California Open state championship last season bumping off Samuelson and Mater Dei in the process was huge. Then to go and challenge themselves in Arizona at the Nike TOC (playing the nation's best) and then travel back east to take on other top teams. They dodged no one ! One game does not define who a player or team is, their body of work does. SMS took the most difficult road possible. And making it through all that they were bound to be a bit over stretched. SMS obviously didn't coach or play their best game, and Pinewood came prepared to take advantage of that. SMS is still the #1 team in my book/ IMO based on the level of challenge during their two season run. Although.... I think Duncanville or someone else might grab their spot on most national polls.
I had the pleasure of meeting both Ali and Floyd "Money" Mayweather Jr.
Ali called himself the "greatest" and then went on to back it up. While Floyd calls himself the "best ever" and going undefeated, can argue he backed it up too. (two separate set of challenges)
But losing and then returning to re-claim the title several times as Ali did is most impressive to me. Because it demonstrates the will and character it takes to pick yourself back up after being knocked down. SMS has a chance to demonstrate the same type of character that made me select Mohammad Ali as the lifetime acheivement award winner in my book "Win Anyway". So as Pac said, "Keep ya head up " SMS.
But we obviously must take our hats off to Doc and his Pinewood team for a game plan and game well played. Pinewood was definitely the better team on that particular evening. Congratulations to both teams for putting on a good show and having awesome seasons.
Paytc
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Clay,
Sierra is only a junior. And if I remember correctly she's young enough to be a sophomore. But her mom could answer that for herself I'm sure.
Turnitaround22
Brookside is going to be fine and has no fear of Storm and Mavs if you know what I mean. Smith is the only threat IF AND THAT A BIG IF HE LETS SMITH PLAY HER GAME.
Brookside is going to be fine and has no fear of Storm and Mavs if you know what I mean. Smith is the only threat IF AND THAT A BIG IF HE LETS SMITH PLAY HER GAME.
Yes Paytc, Sierra is a 15 year old (Oct.) junior. And Clay, I don't take things personal, just thought I would add to the commentary.
kkross22,
There are freshman older than that. As I said, Sierra and SMS should continue to feel great about all of their accomplishments. Not many get to experience a view from the top.
It reminds me of Rick James and the Temptation's awesome song "Standing on the top ".
Congratulations again !
Paytc
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