Questions for RespectBBGame.........

[Paytc]

In your opinion where is the best place for a young prospect to be coached and developed to prepare themselves to play at the next level?

Is it through an AAU coaching experience or a High School coaching experience? And should both AAU and High school programs spend more time developing and preparing children to play at the next level than they do just winning games and Championships or running the system and program? Which is more times than not just focused on winning and building a program up instead of developing and preparing each player that comes through.

Do college coaches already expect players to be developed mentally and fundamentally? And sound at the position they recruit them for when they bring them into their programs ? Where or who does the coaching responsibility fall on? A skill development coach? An AAU coach? A High School coach? Or a combination there of? Or do college coaches want to re-train and develop them themselves to fill the needs of their program?

If you think it is a legitimate concern and have a good answer, others can also respond.

 

[RespectBBGame]

That's a difficult question to answer! I like coaches the played game at the highest level. There are certain coaches that coach different positions. The best train I know is an NBA trainer now at that is Phil Handy for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Alot these AAU coaches pick and choose players on what they need to run there system. But today systems that some coaches coach there offense is to stagnant and don't give the players any freedom to create. But it does win you games.

Myself I like a good defense mind coaches. These coaches teach great man to man which players need at the next level. College coaches say the can teach a player how to score but you can teach the desire to play man defense. Alot AAU coach scrambled defense to hide the individuals that can play man but are big scores.
Also, I like coaches that teach players how to play open gym like the men side of basketball. These is the best in my opinion to increase basketball IQ. Anyone can run a fully structure offense the player dont have to think about to much because they know what each players is doing. When players are allowed to freelance to create off the offense their IQ raise to the next level.

Let's talk about development of players. I seen many coaches training pretty much the same except for some. These are from coaches the played the game at a high level. They can develop players a little bit faster because they be there and done that. They can teach players the ins and outs from a players point of view. Training is done by videos and books but they dont teach you from a players view.

The coaches that can take a raw player and turn them into a star form my opinion is Pico Wilburn, Sean Chambers, Sue Phillips, Donovan Blythe and there are others. Thats just to name few AAU coaches that I would trust not saying there aren't others.

This is only my opinion I'm sure their are many other coaches!!!!!

 

[jazzpt55]

The best place for a young person to be coached and developed...in anything is at home by a great parent or parents....between the ages of 2 and 10....

If your screwed up by 11....your screwed

 

[RespectBBGame]

Jazzpt55

I can agree and disagree! If the parent played ball yes but most young ladies won't listen to their parents until a trainer or coach tell them the same think players parents is saying. Young men are ealier to relate to the parents that played ball because the want to be like the parent or better.

The game is so different these days that players can fall back far quick if the parent dont know what they are talking about. Look at the mom and pops AAU teams. Some of them teach bad habits to the players. Young ladies basketball is change yearly. Now there are young ladies want to learn how to drunk even in high school. The game is revolving very rapidly.

In the end, unless the parent knows the game well enough to teach other it might not be a good think. But players just can get better by going to practice. It about how much work they do on their own at home. Thats when its good for a parent to help to make sure the putting in the work.

 

[Paytc]

The best place for a young person to be coached and developed...in anything is at home by a great parent or parents....between the ages of 2 and 10....

If your screwed up by 11....your screwed

I agree a lot of the work has to come in the very early stages of development. Not sure I would however give up all hope if for some reason a player got a late start. LOL..... Thanks for you feedback ! Yours too RespectBBGame !

I have to run out the door for lunch meeting. I will however want to continue the discussion as I agree with a lot of what you both have expressed. I also know this is an area that needs attention for the sake of young players and their futures.

Thanks again !

 

[jaymel911]

All kids respond differently to different types of teaching and training.

 

[OnBall8]

you dont have to start "training" as early as you guys make it seem.. but I agree that the sooner that they get decent fundamental coaching the better

 

[Paytc]

All kids respond differently to different types of teaching and training.

jamel911, Jazzpt55, RespectBBGame

That is true.

But if no one is responsible or providing what a player needs to develop to be best prepared to play at the next level.... where should they turn? And should AAU and High School coaches on a whole (because some do a very good job preparing players) be held more accountable for better preparing each player that comes through? As opposed to just slapping them into a cookie cutter system that has no concern other than continuing to win games and build a program instead of truly doing what is in the best interest of the children that come through it. How can we better prepare them for what to expect after the coaching experience should they be fortunate enough to play at the next level. Or make them more confident and better players and better people after the coaching experience?

There are many players that are very unprepared who get to play at the next level just based on having the size one may be looking for. How can they be better prepared. Why are many so unskilled? Why are some very unprepared mentally with such low basketball IQ's? Should more time be spent teaching fundamentals? Are there camps and programs that work better than others? Please recommend them?

Should there be more concern for creating more confident, fundamentally sound, and mentally prepared players with great attitudes after the coaching experience? Or should the concern be more about the success of the programs and just learning to somewhat understand how to play team ball within a successful system that may be nothing like the next level experience?

 

[RespectBBGame]

Paytc

That's is the problem alot parent have play at the next. Some coaches have either. College is a place where a players has to have good IQ by their sophomore year or most college coach will be looking to replace them. Some parents think a full ride is guarantee and its not. The players have to preform because thats what there contact they signed.

Onball8

The 5th grade is the best time jion an AAU team. There is a short time frame because by the 8th grade is a little to late for some players. DIA might help the player that starts in the 8th grade. Some people dont believe in DIA but it's real. Good example Steph Curry is a pure shooter like his dad Dell Curry. Another, Brent, Scooter and Jon Berry all played in the NBA like their dad Rick Berry.

 

[OnBall8]

No idea what DIA is, nor do I care, but you definitely cannot try to compare the average student athlete with that of NBA stars for many reasons.

College is a place where a players has to have good IQ by their sophomore year or most college coach will be looking to replace them

Now this is very true, and athletes that are lucky enough to be recruited by colleges must understand that, unlike high school, college coaches live and die by wins and losses. Their job is potentially on the line every year, and if you are not going to help them with their job security, you will be replaced. Obviously some coaches have earned more security over the long run, but those cases are not the norm.

 

[Paytc]

No idea what DIA is, nor do I care, but you definitely cannot try to compare the average student athlete with that of NBA stars for many reasons.



Now this is very true, and athletes that are lucky enough to be recruited by colleges must understand that, unlike high school, college coaches live and die by wins and losses. Their job is potentially on the line every year, and if you are not going to help them with their job security, you will be replaced. Obviously some coaches have earned more security over the long run, but those cases are not the norm.

Too funny ! DIA is equivalent to DNA. It's just a different code. Smile.

 

[colhenrylives]

Once you started to discuss DIA I went MIA.

 

[Paytc]

That's a difficult question to answer! I like coaches the played game at the highest level. There are certain coaches that coach different positions. The best train I know is an NBA trainer now at that is Phil Handy for the Cleveland Cavaliers. Alot these AAU coaches pick and choose players on what they need to run there system. But today systems that some coaches coach there offense is to stagnant and don't give the players any freedom to create. But it does win you games.

Myself I like a good defense mind coaches. These coaches teach great man to man which players need at the next level. College coaches say the can teach a player how to score but you can teach the desire to play man defense. Alot AAU coach scrambled defense to hide the individuals that can play man but are big scores.
Also, I like coaches that teach players how to play open gym like the men side of basketball. These is the best in my opinion to increase basketball IQ. Anyone can run a fully structure offense the player dont have to think about to much because they know what each players is doing. When players are allowed to freelance to create off the offense their IQ raise to the next level.

Let's talk about development of players. I seen many coaches training pretty much the same except for some. These are from coaches the played the game at a high level. They can develop players a little bit faster because they be there and done that. They can teach players the ins and outs from a players point of view. Training is done by videos and books but they dont teach you from a players view.

The coaches that can take a raw player and turn them into a star form my opinion is Pico Wilburn, Sean Chambers, Sue Phillips, Donovan Blythe and there are others. Thats just to name few AAU coaches that I would trust not saying there aren't others.

This is only my opinion I'm sure their are many other coaches!!!!!

Thanks ! Makes a lot of practical sense based on the way I see the game as well. And I do know like every player every coach is not the same. And like every player is not good, every coach is not good. Or even if they are good they may not have your child's best interest in mind. Or the situation may not be a good fit for the child and/or family for whatever reason. I think finding good fits and getting coaches, players, and programs to improve is good for everyone now and in the future. And some things aren't personal. They're just true, and need to be discussed, not swept under a rug.

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

Another, Brent, Scooter and Jon Berry all played in the NBA like their dad Rick Berry.

Rick Barry's son Drew played briefly in the NBA, but Scooter never did. He probably should have started AAU in the fourth grade

 

[RespectBBGame]

Southbayhoopfan

Yes Drew Barry played in the NBA. He was drafted 2nd round in 1996 57th pick by the Seattle Supersonics. He didnt make the team but in 1998 played on the Alt Hawks.then 1999 Supersonics !!!!! Know your facts before putting him down. Might not played that much but was getting paid. He had 134 points NBA career.

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

Southbayhoopfan

Yes Drew Barry played in the NBA. He was drafted 2nd round in 1996 57th pick by the Seattle Supersonics. He didnt make the team but in 1998 played on the Alt Hawks.then 1999 Supersonics !!!!! Know your facts before putting him down. Might not played that much but was getting paid. He had 134 points NBA career.

Hey Jaymel, I guess you're right about afternoon being cocktail hour at the Game house.

 

[RespectBBGame]

Southbayhoopfan

Is that all you can when you're wrong!! Look people before you say the wrong think!!! It ok that its your only comeback!!!!

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

Southbayhoopfan

Is that all you can when you're wrong!! Look people before you say the wrong think!!! It ok that its your only comeback!!!!

Not that it really even matters, but for the record you're the one who said Jon, Brent, and Scooter played in the NBA. That was wrong, so I pointed out that the third Barry son to play in the NBA was Drew not Scooter. Bottoms up!

 

[jaymel911]

Hey Jaymel, I guess you're right about afternoon being cocktail hour at the Game house.

Yep, tipping sodas back and getting his facts wrong.

 

[jazzpt55]

BTW my post has nothing to do with the game...and at the same time everything to do with the game....

 

[ClayK]

Just a reminder: There are more D1 scholarships for women than there are D1 players. Start early, start late, it doesn't really matter; play for well-known programs, just play, it doesn't really matter.

If you are good enough, they will find you.

Of course at some point every player needs coaching and guidance, and the right exposure can generate more options for a player, but there are more D1 scholarships than there are D1 players (a fact I keep repeating but never quite seems to sink in).

Tina Charles, a WNBA MVP, did not start playing until she was in 7th grade. There are guys in the NBA who didn't start playing until their junior year in high school.

If you have the physical talent and the work ethic (on the court and in the classroom), they will find you. Exposure is not only vastly overrated, it is pretty much unnecessary as long as you play in high school.

There are more D1 scholarships than there are D1 players. They will find you.

 

[Paytc]

Just a reminder: There are more D1 scholarships for women than there are D1 players. Start early, start late, it doesn't really matter; play for well-known programs, just play, it doesn't really matter.

If you are good enough, they will find you.

Of course at some point every player needs coaching and guidance, and the right exposure can generate more options for a player, but there are more D1 scholarships than there are D1 players (a fact I keep repeating but never quite seems to sink in).

Tina Charles, a WNBA MVP, did not start playing until she was in 7th grade. There are guys in the NBA who didn't start playing until their junior year in high school.

If you have the physical talent and the work ethic (on the court and in the classroom), they will find you. Exposure is not only vastly overrated, it is pretty much unnecessary as long as you play in high school.

There are more D1 scholarships than there are D1 players. They will find you.

Clay,

I have always agreed with you on the fact about the availability of women basketball scholarships. And there being more than one way to get them.

But the question(s) I was asking was who's responsibility does it fall on to better prepare the children mentally, emotionally, and fundamentally for the challenges at the next level? Whether they are fortunate enough or even want to play at the next level, they deserve the best experience possible as young athletes. They at least need to come out of it all with a bit more self confidence. Should coaches, directors, and school programs only concern be winning and/ or building up and maintaining a successful program based on wins and losses? Promoting Nike and/ or generating revenue?

Should more focus be given to individual development and individual player preparation? If so, and a child is not getting it, where is the best place for them to turn or expect it?

Should they expect it from a high school program? Or a AAU program? Or should they seek it from a skills development coach/trainer? Or attend recommended college summer basketball camps? Or some other training or development camp or program? Or a combination of them all? Please make recommendations, or offer solutions.

Should these coaches, directors, school, and AAU programs be putting more effort to reach and develop more individuals than they are impacting at this point?

If so how can that process be helped along? We too often are seeing very poorly developed big size girls quickly taken and given scholarships based on size alone that aren't even close to properly skilled or ready to play at the next level. How can this neglected area of concern be helped? And how can we build up more confident and skilled children than we are now.

I have only been around the girls high school game a short while. But I have witnessed and heard stories of far too many overlooked and neglected with their confidence and/or love and enthusiasm for the game sucked right out of them during this obsession to win or poorly place priorities and/ or playing favorites. The game should be about more children winning than just negative competition and an obsession to win at all cost. Especially if it is costing us by too many children being sacrificed or used and then discarded. Or quitting because not enough adults cared enough to consider the sacrifices they have made to try and prepare themselves to only have the love for the game sucked out of them instead of nurtured.

I know we won't reach all of them, but how can we help and reach more? And how can more children be better prepared?

 

[jaymel911]

We could start by freedom of speech and calling out our teammates and coaches on a public message board. I think that will get the ball rolling and help shape and mold the kids into fine upstanding citizens. Spare me the holy than now rhetoric, your hand has been played.

 

[Paytc]

We could start by freedom of speech and calling out our teammates and coaches on a public message board. I think that will get the ball rolling and help shape and mold the kids into fine upstanding citizens. Spare me the holy than now rhetoric, your hand has been played.

Thanks for being you. Now if you could offer solutions you'd be a bigger you.

I have never said anything about anyone on this or any other site that wasn't based in fact with good intent behind my expressions. Yes, I do love to win. And I know the only way is to get better. And even if I haven't been the perfect model citizen, who has?

Back to the question and bigger concern at hand..... How can we positively reach and better develop more young athletes?

 

[RespectBBGame]

Southbayhoopfan Jaymel911

Drew Barry - Wikipedia thats all I got to say since you 2 only!!!!!! I understand ignorant people and only comeback when they are wrong!!!!!

 

[SouthBayHoopFan]

Southbayhoopfan Jaymel911

Drew Barry - Wikipedia thats all I got to say since you 2 only!!!!!! I understand ignorant people and only comeback when they are wrong!!!!!

I wish that was all you had to say, but I'm afraid we're going to be treated to more.

 

[ClayK]

It's very difficult to sort it all out, no question -- but I don't think parents or players can "expect" anything from anyone. They have to take control of the process, and blindly trusting one coach or one trainer may not work out as well as everyone hopes.

It's also important for players to take the responsibility, and get out of their comfort zone. I coached a player who I thought could be exceptional at the high school level and would do well in college, but rather than put herself in situations that would develop her, she chose to play with her friends in a situation that did not advance her game. Her parents went along with her wishes, and that may well have been the right choice in terms of the girl's happiness. It probably was not the right choice in terms of her basketball career, but that should not be the most important thing in anyone's life.

But in so far as basketball is concerned, I would say that the more coaches a girl plays for, good and bad, the more she and her family will understand what works for her. As with everything, that's not an absolute, as a girl may stumble on the right coach right away, but in general, it takes some experimentation to find the right fit. I know I'm not a good coach for a girl who needs to coach to be on her case all the time and pushes her constantly -- and there are players who need that.

 

[Paytc]

It's very difficult to sort it all out, no question -- but I don't think parents or players can "expect" anything from anyone. They have to take control of the process, and blindly trusting one coach or one trainer may not work out as well as everyone hopes.

It's also important for players to take the responsibility, and get out of their comfort zone. I coached a player who I thought could be exceptional at the high school level and would do well in college, but rather than put herself in situations that would develop her, she chose to play with her friends in a situation that did not advance her game. Her parents went along with her wishes, and that may well have been the right choice in terms of the girl's happiness. It probably was not the right choice in terms of her basketball career, but that should not be the most important thing in anyone's life.

But in so far as basketball is concerned, I would say that the more coaches a girl plays for, good and bad, the more she and her family will understand what works for her. As with everything, that's not an absolute, as a girl may stumble on the right coach right away, but in general, it takes some experimentation to find the right fit. I know I'm not a good coach for a girl who needs to coach to be on her case all the time and pushes her constantly -- and there are players who need that.

Yeah I agree with you. I think parents and the child/player do have to put themselves in situations that match their desires, goals, and happiness. One thing I might add is the significance of developing positive character and keeping the best attitude possible.
I think the way you let things affect you can help or hurt you when all else is equal. And attitude is one of the things you can maintain control over when adversity and tough times come along. Because things unfortunately are not always fair or easy, but you can't let that break you. Thanks for sharing your points.