Reno Pipeline to Folsom?

[Leopold10]

Had this article sent to me from a friend in Reno. I am just wondering if every STUD Reno player gets the option to go to Folsom somehow? I mean who is telling all these kids they have this option? He states in the article literally, " I had the option to go to Folsom "...Just seems very fishy to me Someone has to be up there scouting or something.

http://nevadasportsnet.com/news/rep...r-jackson-laduke-enjoying-recruitment-process

" “We talked about it a whole, me going down to Folsom and playing, starting there my freshman year,” LaDuke said. “I didn’t want to leave my family here and my parents didn’t want to miss out on a big four years of my life. I stayed here. It was definitely the right choice. No matter where you are, if you have the talent and you promote yourself, they’ll find you. If you do enough, they’ll find you.”

 

[WWHS44]

If they establish residence prior to Frosh year in the district there is no violation. He clearly states it in the article......Now influence is a different story but very difficult to prove....CIF isn't going to spend the money to investigate......just gotta roll with it.....sooner or later it will fall apart....they aren't DE LA SALLE...

 

[Leopold10]

He says in the quote that he did not want to go because he did not want to leave his "FAMILY" behind.... So establish residence? with who, where? his parents were not going to go... I think this kid was just talking about what was offered to him without knowing the consequences...

 

[Kickingtee18]

I think this kid was just talking about what was offered to him without knowing the consequences...

And that is called great recruiting.....recruiting.....recruiting.

 

[ararar]

Folsom’s just doing what every private does
Recruit 8th graders

 

[zebs]

I felt it was a strange article as well. He clearly stated he wasn't going to live with his parents. That makes no sense. It is very fishy, but we will never know the truth.

 

[ThunderRam]

Threads like this one help me to understand Folsom homers POV when they accuse the masses of harboring an anti-Folsom bias.

On what planet does 4 players, consisting of 1 family of 3 boys and Kaiden Bennett, equate to a ‘pipeline’?

I get not liking Folsom’s program. I get not liking that their success has attracted front running kids to transfer over to the program. But can we at least maintain some semblance of accuracy and factual reporting? Sheesh.

The hack that authored that article should be embarrassed. Apparently he didn’t conduct any research to discover that Folsom already had a budding dynasty established well before any transfers from Nevada set foot on campus. I guess he never heard of Dano Graves, Jordan Richards, Tyler Trosin, Jake Browning, Cody Creason, Jonah Williams and countless others that helped put the program on the map. Last I checked, none of them were from a Nevada.

As far as the kid referenced in the article, all it says is he discussed the option of transferring with his family. Nowhere does it state, “Folsom’s coaches and boosters actively recruited me”. If he made that statement, then you got something. But is it really that much of a stretch to believe that a kid from the Reno area might be aware of the Ngata family and Kaiden Bennett’s success down in Folsom and that it might intrigue him?

When DJ Williams became the only member of his family to not attend Grant Union and instead went to De La Salle then years later Henry To’oto’to followed suit by leaving Burbank HS for the Green Machine — did it suddenly mean that DLS had a Sacramento pipeline?

This stuff is getting ridiculous.

 

[larry legend33]

Yeah pipeline is a little much. Good programs "attract" kids. We all know that. Best marketing for DLS year in and out and the gazillion games they have won in a row since that Pitt loss in 1991.

 

[WWHS44]

Chandon Pierre also transfered from Reno and took the SOP....Williams showed up from Davis High where he was a freshman.....The stories of Browning being a GB kid and Badger from Elk Grove....endless stream of players....legal or illegal makes no difference....they enroll and play there....CIF is ok with it....DLS can recruit....just like CC can...

 

[larry legend33]

And they still didn't beat DLS last year. But at least it was a great game and the gap is narrowing. Gotta be able to compete.

 

[Truthhertz]

And they still didn't beat DLS last year. But at least it was a great game and the gap is narrowing. Gotta be able to compet

Is it narrowing or did they happen to schedule them when they aren’t their best and a young QB in his first start? Because at the end of the year Folsom struggled with a team DLS runs out of the building.

 

[Kickingtee18]

Chandon Pierre also transfered from Reno and took the SOP....Williams showed up from Davis High where he was a freshman.....The stories of Browning being a GB kid and Badger from Elk Grove....endless stream of players....legal or illegal makes no difference....they enroll and play there....CIF is ok with it....DLS can recruit....just like CC can...

Look at schools around the area most have players outside their boundaries. Every SFL team has transfers from outside their boundaries, Folsom just happens to get the best because they have consistently been winners AND have graduated many to college ranks.

 

[WWHS44]

Look at schools around the area most have players outside their boundaries. Every SFL team has transfers from outside their boundaries, Folsom just happens to get the best because they have consistently been winners AND have graduated many to college ranks.

How many SFL schools have 5 out of state "enrollee's"??

 

[Kickingtee18]

How many SFL schools have 5 out of state "enrollee's"??

Yeah, then there is that LOL. Surely there is a Folsom alum or former coach living in Reno, that doesn't just happen. DLS alum are always on the prowl for talent, Folsom took a page from their book.

 

[larry legend33]

Lots of people from CA have moved to Reno/Sparks in the last decade. More migration going as well as lower taxes and easier regulations make it attractive for companies. (along with housing). At some point (and maybe its already happening) the Reno area schools will be good enough so transferring really isn't the kids best option. Reed out of sparks for example wasn't great last year but the previous years has been every bit as a top tier SFL team.

 

[WWHS44]

Yeah, then there is that LOL. Surely there is a Folsom alum or former coach living in Reno, that doesn't just happen. DLS alum are always on the prowl for talent, Folsom took a page from their book.

True but it is legal for Private's to recruit...DLS and CC can pretty much do as they please....but then again they have to finance it not the tax payer.....

 

[ThunderRam]

Chandon Pierre also transfered from Reno and took the SOP....Williams showed up from Davis High where he was a freshman.....The stories of Browning being a GB kid and Badger from Elk Grove....endless stream of players....legal or illegal makes no difference....they enroll and play there....CIF is ok with it....DLS can recruit....just like CC can...

Nobody is denying that they receive transfers. Back in the day, Cordova High received lots of them when they were the dominant program in the valley and really all of NorCal. Nevada Union got them too. Grant Union even landed Chad Elliott at one time. Consistent winners attract front runners. I don't think anyone disputes that point.

I'm just challenging the hyperbole over a supposed 'pipeline' from one area. Let's just be real about it. It's been one family of three boys and Bennett and Pierre. So 3 separate family's. Not at all the textbook definition of 'pipeline'. Even if another kid or two from that area decides to follow the path of older peers they've seen have a lot of success, it doesn't prove wrong doing by the school/program.

IMO, this transfer issue is overwhelmingly the parents leading the charge, hoping their kid can cash in on a potential lottery ticket. These athletes can't transfer schools unless their parents are on board with it. Pure and simple. Many of them live vicariously through their children (e.g. the referee abuse issues going on in basketball) and will do anything to get them a leg up (e.g., the current college admission scandal).

If they believe their child is supremely gifted (often not the case) they'll drive them all over town to the program they feel gives them the most visibility or chance to win. Folsom is that clear cut #1 program in the Valley today. But as history has proven, everything is cyclical and the tide will eventually shift elsewhere. But the perceived problem will remain the same.

 

[WWHS44]

Nobody is denying that they receive transfers. Back in the day, Cordova High received lots of them when they were the dominant program in the valley and really all of NorCal. Nevada Union got them too. Grant Union even landed Chad Elliott at one time. Consistent winners attract front runners. I don't think anyone disputes that point.

I'm just challenging the hyperbole over a supposed 'pipeline' from one area. Let's just be real about it. It's been one family of three boys and Bennett and Pierre. So 3 separate family's. Not at all the textbook definition of 'pipeline'. Even if another kid or two from that area decides to follow the path of older peers they've seen have a lot of success, it doesn't prove wrong doing by the school/program.

IMO, this transfer issue is overwhelmingly the parents leading the charge, hoping their kid can cash in on a potential lottery ticket. These athletes can't transfer schools unless their parents are on board with it. Pure and simple. Many of them live vicariously through their children (e.g. the referee abuse issues going on in basketball) and will do anything to get them a leg up (e.g., the current college admission scandal).

If they believe their child is supremely gifted (often not the case) they'll drive them all over town to the program they feel gives them the most visibility or chance to win. Folsom is that clear cut #1 program in the Valley today. But as history has proven, everything is cyclical and the tide will eventually shift elsewhere. But the perceived problem will remain the same.

Fully agree with the transfers. Well aware of TT and his transfer from BV and many of the rest of them BTW Elliott transfer was a firestorm with the vacant apartment and all. I think the intriguing point is that 5 players from over 120 miles away made the move. Add to that the article in the Nevada paper of another possible player making the move. IMHO this doesn't happen without some type of influence.....it appears there is a connection?

 

[ThunderRam]

Fully agree with the transfers. Well aware of TT and his transfer from BV and many of the rest of them BTW Elliott transfer was a firestorm with the vacant apartment and all. I think the intriguing point is that 5 players from over 120 miles away made the move. Add to that the article in the Nevada paper of another possible player making the move. IMHO this doesn't happen without some type of influence.....it appears there is a connection?

Yeah, the connection is the parents. That’s where this transfer issue begins and ends. As long as kids keep having major success after transferring there, more and more parents get the idea that ‘my kid can do that too!’.

 

[Kickingtee18]

IMO, this transfer issue is overwhelmingly the parents leading the charge, .

IMO, it is recruiting. Folsom recruits.

Fully agree with the transfers. Well aware of TT and his transfer from BV and many of the rest of them BTW Elliott transfer was a firestorm with the vacant apartment and all. I think the intriguing point is that 5 players from over 120 miles away made the move. Add to that the article in the Nevada paper of another possible player making the move. IMHO this doesn't happen without some type of influence.....it appears there is a connection?

You got it, nothing like a bug in the ear of parents to get them thinking. Folsom recruits, oh well.

 

[ThunderRam]

IMO, it is recruiting. Folsom recruits.

And you're entitled to that opinion. But there's a difference between having an opinion based upon circumstantial evidence and factual truth.

I don't pretend to know for certain whether they do or don't break rules and actively recruit. I don't know any programs that are without a doubt guilty of recruiting (Del Oro is often accused of it too). So I'm not about to make that type of accusation about any program unless there's unequivocal evidence to support it.

Kids/parents choosing to front run to the top public program in NorCal is not unequivocal evidence. It's circumstantial. And nobody knows the reason(s) for these decisions except those making them. I've said several times that I believe the parents are the most common cause of it all. But that doesn't mean rules still aren't being broken or that no program recruits. Franklin-Stockton got caught doing it a dozen years ago.

But until multiple credible sources begin to go on record stating that they were actively recruited and by whom, or written/audio evidence suddenly surfaces, I'm not going down that road. Innocent until proven guilty as far as I'm concerned. But apparently that's just me.

And everyone that's frequented this site for any length of time knows that I'm far from a Folsom supporter or homer. I just believe in being fair. And making blanket accusations w/o direct evidence isn't fair. It's bush league as far as I'm concerned.

But that's just my opinion that I'm entitled to.

 

[RidgeRider]

You’re never going to get evidence because nobody is going to admit to wrong doing, ever. You’d have to investigate, which takes money and nobody is going to allocate funds to investigate transfer fraud in high school, ever. While players and parents will follow success in some cases, we can't assume it's 100% as that would be far too trusting of motivated individuals intent to succeed......

 

[Kickingtee18]

But that's just my opinion that I'm entitled to.

Take a deep breath, no need to underline. Definitely agree you have an entitled opinion like everyone else. You're also entitled to call another person's opinion a blanket accusation.

But there's a difference between having an opinion based upon circumstantial evidence and factual truth.

An opinion is a judgment not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. If you are looking for factual truth within an opinion, the result will be a conflict of definition.

 

[ThunderRam]

An opinion is a judgment not necessarily based on fact or knowledge. If you are looking for factual truth within an opinion, the result will be a conflict of definition.

Um, no, that’s not even close to true. But like the recruiting accusation, I sense there’s no upside in explaining why.

 

[Kickingtee18]

Um, no, that’s not even close to true. But like the recruiting accusation, I sense there’s no upside in explaining why.

I sense no upside explaining anything to a know-it-all, but try reading the first line: https://www.google.com/search?q=def...0j69i57j0l4.4671j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8