Rex Walters is Out!
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Everyone saw this coming. Rumors of Walters going to the nba and coaching on Van Gundy's staff in Detroit surfaced last year. When Alloco left for USF you had to ask your self why would he leave one of the best high school programs to work at USF. Now we know.
Good point serdaprs. What's great about these changes (Santa Clara and USF) is that Allocco and hopefully the next coach of Santa Clara will recognize and focus their recruiting efforts on local talents. San Jose State may be next. Any idea how long he has left on his contract?
Would love to see Justin Labagh of CCSF get a look from USF... honestly would be way more tapped in to recruiting locally than Allocco...
TwitterLegend: Good point per Labagh focusing on local talents. I heard Allocco has been following and visiting a few local D1 talents over the past few months. There is no reason top local talents should be on the radar of schools 500-2000 miles away when they could easily be recruited locally. Local talents playing locally give families and basketball junkies like us the opportunity to go watch them play.
I thought he had another year but guess not. Alloco and Lavin would be great. Lavin is a great recruiter with Bay Area roots.
FINALLY! Let's see how the administration messes this hire up. I have zero faith in my alma mater, the only hire they've gotten right in the last 15 years is Nino in baseball. I saw Bill Cartwirght is back up there too, to probably squeeze more donor wallets, lets see if in makes a difference!
If its Alloco you can bet Ratinho will stay and Frank should go get Peters too. Don't get why he hasn't gotten offered.
It's almost impossible to comprehend what the Bay Area's college hoops scene was like two generations ago. USF winning the 1949 NIT when it meant something. Santa Clara in the NCAA Final Four a couple of years later. USF winning 60 games in a row and two NCAA titles in a row in 1955 and 1956 and a Final Four appearance in 1957. Cal winning the NCAA crown in 1959 and making a Final Four appearance in 1960 at the Cow Palace. There have been a couple of encouraging burps since. But nothing sustainable. Unfortunate.
This year's team is certainly Aussie-loaded. There are 2 Bay Area players on the roster. In the past SMC had Samhan, Colin Chiverton, Rob Jones, levascue sp? Next season Jordan Ford will be a Gael
I don't think San Jose state guy going anywhere. Honestly not doing terrible considering what they have to work with down there. I think Terrell brown is going there from Moreau. They didn't win one game last year against a D1 school. Won a few this year but played some teams pretty tough at times. I think he has another year or two if I remember correctly.
Local talent is not the only solution to win in the WCC. You need HM talent willing
to play 1 level below. There aren't many local guys who can make major impact.
We all would love the all-norcal team to play at a school like USF, but it is not going
to happen and they may not be good enough.
Peters at De la Salle is not going to win at USF.
You guys have to understand that you have to turn over rocks everywhere in the
world to find talent necessary to win the WCC.
You need shooters, a big time PG, some bigs, more shooting, good coaching.
You have to sprinkle in guys from all kinds of places but you need an entire staff
recruiting 24/7 from different parts of the world.
Have you guys watched a UOP, Santa Clara, or USF game lately. They do not have
players or talent. Very below average. They have low D1 talent/High D2 talent. Some
High Major prep schools have more talent than those 3 local WCC teams.
To win the WCC or try to win in the WCC, there are multiple things needed.
It starts with a really good, smart, young head coach that can recruit both locally
and nationally and internationally. Be able to connect with the local scene but also
have a vision and a clear idea on how they want to win.
They need a very aggressive assistant coaching staff that just flat out recruits, recruits
everywhere in the world. You have got to sell USF to recruits and get lucky every other
year on a sleeper.
It is tough to dethrone Gonzaga who went all-in with Basketball in 1997 and have never
looked back. They poured all their money for 3 straight years into men's basketball
and then started to get a return on their investment. I believe Gonzaga has been to
16 straight NCAA touurnaments or 18 and that is quite an accomplishment that results
in steady cash pouring into the program year after year.
In 1999 they also started playing anybody anywhere.
to play 1 level below. There aren't many local guys who can make major impact.
We all would love the all-norcal team to play at a school like USF, but it is not going
to happen and they may not be good enough.
Peters at De la Salle is not going to win at USF.
You guys have to understand that you have to turn over rocks everywhere in the
world to find talent necessary to win the WCC.
You need shooters, a big time PG, some bigs, more shooting, good coaching.
You have to sprinkle in guys from all kinds of places but you need an entire staff
recruiting 24/7 from different parts of the world.
Have you guys watched a UOP, Santa Clara, or USF game lately. They do not have
players or talent. Very below average. They have low D1 talent/High D2 talent. Some
High Major prep schools have more talent than those 3 local WCC teams.
To win the WCC or try to win in the WCC, there are multiple things needed.
It starts with a really good, smart, young head coach that can recruit both locally
and nationally and internationally. Be able to connect with the local scene but also
have a vision and a clear idea on how they want to win.
They need a very aggressive assistant coaching staff that just flat out recruits, recruits
everywhere in the world. You have got to sell USF to recruits and get lucky every other
year on a sleeper.
It is tough to dethrone Gonzaga who went all-in with Basketball in 1997 and have never
looked back. They poured all their money for 3 straight years into men's basketball
and then started to get a return on their investment. I believe Gonzaga has been to
16 straight NCAA touurnaments or 18 and that is quite an accomplishment that results
in steady cash pouring into the program year after year.
In 1999 they also started playing anybody anywhere.
For a coach to be dismissed after a rebuilding year is odd. Doesn't usually happen unless someone else is tabbed for the job. A lot of people seem to think Lavin will be the successor. I wouldn't mind that.
Hoops- I absolutely agree with you on the talent thing. The degree of separation between a high major D2 like Chico State, Cal Poly Pomona, and UC SD is very small. Most of these schools would be in every game if not pull off a few shockers. Back when I played the degree of separation between D2 and D1 was much larger. We would play a few D1's for money and the school would get rewarded. But make no mistake about it the game was a 30 pt lopsided win for the D1. The D2's have gotten more money with scholarships and probably pulled a few low D1 players away. They have gotten a lot better while the low D1 programs have generally gotten worse. Have you seen Northridge or Fullerton play these days? OMG... Just awful.
Larry Legend: Rex Walters would laugh in your face. USF, UOP or SC would blow those D2 teams out night after night, the D2's would be lucky to stay close let alone win a single WCC conference game. The D2 level is quality basketball but no where close to the level of the WCC. Let's not forget, 2 years ago USF was in the NIT, 4 years ago UOP was in the NCAA.
Lets not forget Paul Marigney, Diamond Simpson and EJ Rowland to name a few.
Just last year they had at least 4 NorCal kids on their roster, Brad Waldow, Desmond Simmons, Jack Biebel and Treaven Duffy.
Rex can laugh all the way to the unemployment line. You don't get out much. 2 years ago Chico took UOP to the wire and lost by 6. Yes I was at that game. SF State played St Johns to a 2 point game a couple seasons back. Monterey Bay State has beaten SJ State. It shouldn't be this way. That is how much ground these programs have lost and how much ground the power house D2's have made.
Any D1 is a step up from D2 on the West Coast. I will say Cal Baptist is making moves but its all about them hoping to make the jump to D1. Their facilities are off the charts.
Let me first say I think Allocco is a great coach and a proven track record......
I don't see how having him as an assistant at the D-1 level helps. He for sure knows his x's and o's and how to teach winning basketball but a seasoned head coach should already have the same level of knowledge. He doesn't have deep recruiting ties like guys who have been on the trail for 5, 10, 15 plus years on the west coast. If you look at most west coast programs, they have assistants who have been recruiting the area since Allocco was at Northgate. Finally, D-1 kids want to be developed into pros (NBA, DLeague or overseas) and he has no track record of developing kids (at the 4 year level of course). I'm not saying that he isn't capable, just saying the resume isn't there yet. When you get on the recruiting trail in Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, (and even southern CA) etc., people wont care about DLS and the games he won. Most D-1 kids are coming from successful high school programs themselves.
The main focus of assistants are (among other things)
scouting/prep - Allocco is A+
recruiting - ???????
Player development- ????????
I honestly feel he would be more of a benefit to a younger, less experienced D-1 head coach. My personal feeling is that he is outta there unless Lavin takes over. Will be interesting to see how things play out on the Hilltop.....
I don't see how having him as an assistant at the D-1 level helps. He for sure knows his x's and o's and how to teach winning basketball but a seasoned head coach should already have the same level of knowledge. He doesn't have deep recruiting ties like guys who have been on the trail for 5, 10, 15 plus years on the west coast. If you look at most west coast programs, they have assistants who have been recruiting the area since Allocco was at Northgate. Finally, D-1 kids want to be developed into pros (NBA, DLeague or overseas) and he has no track record of developing kids (at the 4 year level of course). I'm not saying that he isn't capable, just saying the resume isn't there yet. When you get on the recruiting trail in Oregon, Washington, Nevada, Arizona, (and even southern CA) etc., people wont care about DLS and the games he won. Most D-1 kids are coming from successful high school programs themselves.
The main focus of assistants are (among other things)
scouting/prep - Allocco is A+
recruiting - ???????
Player development- ????????
I honestly feel he would be more of a benefit to a younger, less experienced D-1 head coach. My personal feeling is that he is outta there unless Lavin takes over. Will be interesting to see how things play out on the Hilltop.....
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