Sac-Joaquin questions

[ClayK]

So St. Mary's lost to Riverdale Baptist at home after beating them by 24 in Arizona. Of course, Riverdale Baptist picked up a midseason transfer from Paul VI who was immediately eligible, but that's still a bit of a surprise. Was anyone there?

And McClatchy just hammered Davis after beating them by only 10 early in the year. Did Jordan Cruz play? Has Davis had some injuries?

 

[Paytc]

So St. Mary's lost to Riverdale Baptist at home after beating them by 24 in Arizona. Of course, Riverdale Baptist picked up a midseason transfer from Paul VI who was immediately eligible, but that's still a bit of a surprise. Was anyone there?

And McClatchy just hammered Davis after beating them by only 10 early in the year. Did Jordan Cruz play? Has Davis had some injuries?

It proves the point just because you beat a good team once (even by a lot) it doesn't mean that good team is all of a sudden a bad team or that you are so great. Many things could be the reason. One thing we know for sure is there is always a reason for games going one way or the other. Some (good coaches) make the corrections and adjustments either during a game or the next time they play the same opponent. That is why body of work is so valuable at judging how well a team can separate themselves from the pack, and overcome the highest challenge. Not just living to expectations and beating league teams or others you have always known how to beat, an face no other real challenges.

I heard a rumor that Aquira may have gone down to an injury? I sure hope that isn't true with all the obstacles SMS has had to overcome this season with transfers, graduations, and injuries, among other things.

 

[kkross22]

Score was 62-60, and Aquira did not play last night, a big missing piece.

 

[Paytc]

Score was 62-60, and Aquira did not play last night, a big missing piece.

As good as SMS is and has been, if Aquira or anyone of their impact returners are unable to play with Naje already sidelined, they just are not the same team. Just when Naje is said to be returning.... don't tell me SMS picked up another major injury. And not to arguably the most dominant player in the class of 2018? Just tell me Aquira is ok and will return soon.

 

[cptmycpa]

So St. Mary's lost to Riverdale Baptist at home after beating them by 24 in Arizona. Of course, Riverdale Baptist picked up a midseason transfer from Paul VI who was immediately eligible, but that's still a bit of a surprise. Was anyone there?

And McClatchy just hammered Davis after beating them by only 10 early in the year. Did Jordan Cruz play? Has Davis had some injuries?

Jordan Cruz did not play last night against Davis. Also, starting forward Nia Lowery, 5-11 sophomore, has not played for the past couple weeks with a leg injury. No one (outside the team), knows the extent of both players' injuries and when they will return to play. Davis had their usual starters, including Kelsey Forrester, but shot poorly and couldn't defend against McClatchy's speed, tempo, and press. BTW, the entire Sacramento High girls basketball team and coach were at the game scouting McClatchy for next week's showdown.

 

[cptmycpa]

So St. Mary's lost to Riverdale Baptist at home after beating them by 24 in Arizona. Of course, Riverdale Baptist picked up a midseason transfer from Paul VI who was immediately eligible, but that's still a bit of a surprise. Was anyone there?

And McClatchy just hammered Davis after beating them by only 10 early in the year. Did Jordan Cruz play? Has Davis had some injuries?

Clay,
Per today's Sacramento Bee high school sports columnist Joe Davidson:
"McClatchy expects forwards Jordan Cruz and Nia Lowery back soon from strained knees."
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/high-school/article128328979.html

Also, looking at McClatchy's last game box score against Laguna Creek, Nia Lowery did play in yesterday's game.

http://www.maxpreps.com/games/girls...cclatchy/1-23-2017-Tfte21PG40OkN-EwFcynHQ.htm

 

[cptmycpa]

Davis (Davis, CA)-73, Elk Grove-53, at Davis. That is an upset. Elk Grove was ranked #3 in the current MaxPreps Sac-Joaquin section rankings, ahead of McClatchy, Brookside Christian, and Lincoln (Stockton). But Elk Grove plays at the Division 2 level against mostly Division 1 schools in their league.

 

[cptmycpa]

Joe Davidson ‏@SacBee_JoeD 2h2 hours ago
Fast-rising Folsom beats longtime power Oak Ridge 71-50 as McKenzie Forbes scores 20 & Hanna Beckman has 16. Bulldogs finally healthy....

Don't count out Folsom girls in Division 1 in the Sac-Joaquin section.

 

[HoopStudent95]

Folsom hasn't lost yet with Forbes playing

 

[CamAca]

Davis (Davis, CA)-73, Elk Grove-53, at Davis. That is an upset. Elk Grove was ranked #3 in the current MaxPreps Sac-Joaquin section rankings, ahead of McClatchy, Brookside Christian, and Lincoln (Stockton). But Elk Grove plays at the Division 2 level against mostly Division 1 schools in their league.

I would think Elk Grove is overrated if they are ahead of Brookside and Lincoln-Stockton. Brookside has a couple good guards and Lincoln has a couple strong guards in Tillman and Hendrix but doesn't Elk Grove really just have Shulman this year since Maddie Wong graduated? If so it's not enough to be rated where they are

 

[cptmycpa]

I would think Elk Grove is overrated if they are ahead of Brookside and Lincoln-Stockton. Brookside has a couple good guards and Lincoln has a couple strong guards in Tillman and Hendrix but doesn't Elk Grove really just have Shulman this year since Maddie Wong graduated? If so it's not enough to be rated where they are

Agree with you completely! Plus Elk Grove hasn't played a tough non-league schedule. Because they play in a D1 league against mostly D1 schools, but Elk Grove is a D2 school who will play in D2 in section playoffs, their MaxPreps ranking is favorable and elevated (overrated).

 

[Azanna]

I would think Elk Grove is overrated if they are ahead of Brookside and Lincoln-Stockton. Brookside has a couple good guards and Lincoln has a couple strong guards in Tillman and Hendrix but doesn't Elk Grove really just have Shulman this year since Maddie Wong graduated? If so it's not enough to be rated where they are

Agree with you completely! Plus Elk Grove hasn't played a tough non-league schedule. Because they play in a D1 league against mostly D1 schools, but Elk Grove is a D2 school who will play in D2 in section playoffs, their MaxPreps ranking is favorable and elevated (overrated).

If Elk Grove Wins their league they got to go up and play Division I

 

[ClayK]

If Elk Grove Wins their league they got to go up and play Division I

That's not what I was told by the SJS media guy. He said that all teams that finish in the top three of their league (sometimes the top four) are placed in the postseason pool for the top four divisions. That makes 64 teams. Aside from the 12 teams locked into their divisions (Brookside Christian, for example), the divisions will be decided by the enrollment of the qualifiers -- that is, the largest schools will go in D1, the next set, by enrollment, in D2 and so on.

Things could have changed, though ...

 

[RespectBBGame]

Clay

Brookside is in D1 and Modesto Christian is too because they was in the open within the last 2 years.

D1 is loaded
SMS
McClatchy
OAK RIDGE
Brookside
Modesto Christian
Elk Grove
Folsom
St. Francis

 

[earthquakes]

That's not what I was told by the SJS media guy. He said that all teams that finish in the top three of their league (sometimes the top four) are placed in the postseason pool for the top four divisions. That makes 64 teams. Aside from the 12 teams locked into their divisions (Brookside Christian, for example), the divisions will be decided by the enrollment of the qualifiers -- that is, the largest schools will go in D1, the next set, by enrollment, in D2 and so on.

Things could have changed, though ...

At the start of the year the section adjusted leagues, leaving the SFL and Delta as the only two D1 leagues. The winners of those leagues must compete in D1 for playoffs (basketball) This eliminated the Golden Valley scenario from last year (D2 school that one a D1 league and had to compete in D1) That could impact Vanden as well, although i am not certain if they are in a D2 or D 3 league. Elk Grove is the only D 2 school in the Delta i believe, but will compete in D 1 for playoffs. This is why you will see Modesto Christian not in D1 this year, because the section made their league MMC a D2 league this year.

 

[Azanna]

If Elk Grove Wins their league they got to go up and play Division I

That's not what I was told by the SJS media guy. He said that all teams that finish in the top three of their league (sometimes the top four) are placed in the postseason pool for the top four divisions. That makes 64 teams. Aside from the 12 teams locked into their divisions (Brookside Christian, for example), the divisions will be decided by the enrollment of the qualifiers -- that is, the largest schools will go in D1, the next set, by enrollment, in D2 and so on.

Things could have changed, though ...

Clay I'm not sure what you were told but it is clearly written in the bylaws.

Here is the exact quote from the CIF SJS webpage

If a school wins a championship in a D3 league but is a D4 enrollment they will be forced to play D3 in the years playoff

Refer to the website instead of listening to people it's much more informative

Check under by laws section rules and regulations for basketball. Part C #3

Elk Grove loss a strange one the other night to Davis maybe they realize that and are throwing some games now.

 

[Azanna]

That's not what I was told by the SJS media guy. He said that all teams that finish in the top three of their league (sometimes the top four) are placed in the postseason pool for the top four divisions. That makes 64 teams. Aside from the 12 teams locked into their divisions (Brookside Christian, for example), the divisions will be decided by the enrollment of the qualifiers -- that is, the largest schools will go in D1, the next set, by enrollment, in D2 and so on.

Things could have changed, though ...

At the start of the year the section adjusted leagues, leaving the SFL and Delta as the only two D1 leagues. The winners of those leagues must compete in D1 for playoffs (basketball) This eliminated the Golden Valley scenario from last year (D2 school that one a D1 league and had to compete in D1) That could impact Vanden as well, although i am not certain if they are in a D2 or D 3 league. Elk Grove is the only D 2 school in the Delta i believe, but will compete in D 1 for playoffs. This is why you will see Modesto Christian not in D1 this year, because the section made their league MMC a D2 league this year.

Earthquake MC is in the Modesto Metro Conference which is also listed as a D1 league on the website. MC will also have to play in the D1 playoffs

 

[ClayK]

So the SJS media guy explained it to me in detail back in October, and then the story ran in SportStars and no one said it was wrong.

I'm not doubting anyone here, but he was an official representative of SJS and if he was wrong, didn't read the bylaws.

I'll reach out them again ...

 

[northbaybbguru]

Clay I'm not sure what you were told but it is clearly written in the bylaws.

Here is the exact quote from the CIF SJS webpage

If a school wins a championship in a D3 league but is a D4 enrollment they will be forced to play D3 in the years playoff

Refer to the website instead of listening to people it's much more informative

Check under by laws section rules and regulations for basketball. Part C #3

Elk Grove loss a strange one the other night to Davis maybe they realize that and are throwing some games now.

I think DAVIS is a solid squad. They are well coached and have a couple of next level players (maybe not D1, but solid) that will play beyond HS.
No surprise to me they competed with and even beat Elk Grove.

 

[Azanna]

Clay I'm not sure what you were told but it is clearly written in the bylaws.

Here is the exact quote from the CIF SJS webpage

If a school wins a championship in a D3 league but is a D4 enrollment they will be forced to play D3 in the years playoff

Refer to the website instead of listening to people it's much more informative

Check under by laws section rules and regulations for basketball. Part C #3

Elk Grove loss a strange one the other night to Davis maybe they realize that and are throwing some games now.

I think DAVIS is a solid squad. They are well coached and have a couple of next level players (maybe not D1, but solid) that will play beyond HS.
No surprise to me they competed with and even beat Elk Grove.

I agree I should not have said that but a 20 point win was very surprising.

 

[RespectBBGame]

Does the lost even matter they will win their league!!!!

 

[cptmycpa]

Does the lost even matter they will win their league!!!!

Elk Grove plays at St. Francis (Sacramento) this Wednesday, February 1. Both are tied at 7-1 in league play. If St. Francis (14-7 overall) beats Davis tomorrow (Monday night, 1/31), and then beats Elk Grove, St. Francis would likely win the league title considering their remaining games. Two big "ifs" though. Davis on Monday and Elk Grove on Wednesday.
http://www.maxpreps.com/high-school...(sacramento,ca)/girls-basketball/schedule.htm

 

[ClayK]

If teams tie for a league title, then each league's tiebreaker comes into play, as the leagues tell SJS who the top seed is. If St. Francis and Elk Grove, say, tie for first, then the Delta League rules determine the champion.

 

[NCG-Ranks]

The 20 point Elk Grove loss is suspect. Not taking anything away from Davis, but EG has been really good this season, though not really tested and I thought a class better than Davis. They should win the Delta and be in D1. I actually like their chances to make noise in D1.

 

[earthquakes]

Earthquake MC is in the Modesto Metro Conference which is also listed as a D1 league on the website. MC will also have to play in the D1 playoffs

Azanna, knowing the section website i can see where errors can be printed, but for basketball (enrollment sport) the MMC is listed as Division 2. The only D1 leagues are Delta, SFL, MEL and the TCC As much complaining as we used to do about the power ratings, they seemed to get it right more times than not. I don't know of too many people that are a fan of this format.

 

[Streak One]

That would be good for Modesto Christian if they landed in D2.

 

[jazzpt55]

Would SJ allow All Ball Scouts to do the games at UOP?

 

[nobody209]

Here ya go... speculation aside..... the link has the facts
http://www.cifsjs.org/sports/wbkb/2016-17info/bkb-girls_divisions_1617.pdf

Below is embedded in the chart linked above.

Teams will be placed in the six divisions based on enrollment. Qualifiers for Divisions I, II, III and IV will be divided equally. Divisions V and VI are predetermined by the enrollment ranges above. * NOTE: St. Mary’s and Brookside Christian must be Division I. ** NOTE: Del Oro, Wood, Sacramento, Modesto Christian and Vanden must be no lower than Division II. *** NOTE: Bradshaw Christian, Christian Brothers, Johnson and Valley must be no lower than division III. **** NOTE: Central Catholic must be no lower than Division IV