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So assuming they lose to Mitty, they will have won 4 out of their last 6 games which means they're playing better basketball. What does CCS do? Do they put them in open or does SHP play in their normal division? it's really a tough call as they are now 5-4 in league with one game to go.
It's not a tough call based on their strength of schedule. Close losses to CN, MM, Menlo (founders game) and Salesian is enough to put them in the OPEN CCS. Real question is where do you put them after that? They are unranked and haven't been all year. Do they do Division I or II? I guess it all depends on if the OPEN Norcal takes 6 or 8 teams this year. Should be interesting
Not only will SHC be in CCS Open, they are as likely as anyone else to be in the final against Mitty. Remember, CCS Open games are all played at neutral sites. So no worries about playing an away game in a shoebox.
And if this happens, what would all the people that say the CCS Open finalists should be auto locks for NorCal open say then???
See previous mention of "close losses to CN, MM, Menlo (founders game) and Salesian". That would seem to indicate they should be in, since several of those teams could be also.
3rd best? Maybe 4th best because the 1-2 in the CCS belong to Mitty and Pinewood.
Miramonte was lucky to beat SHC, by one. After SHC took a one-point lead with 7 seconds left, Becca Welsh threw an absolutely perfect 3/4-court pass to Jordan Allred, who caught it in stride and made a contested left-handed layup (she's right-handed) at the buzzer to win.
Play out those last seven seconds 10 times, and SHC probably wins nine.
Play out those last seven seconds 10 times, and SHC probably wins nine.
But if you were on a selection committee, given their whole body of work, do you think they "deserve" to be in the open division? I just can't get past the record...SOS is insane but their record with no really big wins...
Well, now...both! Again, they've won 4 out of 6 but their record doesn't yell CCS open to me. IF they do get into the open and make it to the finals vs. Mitty and lose, I definitely do not think they're an open team...maybe on the bubble. lol-there I'm non-committal
Personally I think they are a lock for CCS Open. From there, even if they make the finals, I don't think you can put them in NorCal Open. The record, the body of work, recent history (not making post season last year) just does not warrant open for NorCal.
Then the committee would have to make a tough decision and decide whether or not to send Pinewood to the open (again assuming SHC beat them to get to CCS finals) because they have the record, the recent history, and if they beat MM you could argue they have the body of work
SHC definitely should be in the CCS Open.
Question I have is how good is WCAL after Mitty?
A few years back, the league didn’t look great but then did very well in NorCals. So could that be the case this season or are all the teams a little down?
Question I have is how good is WCAL after Mitty?
A few years back, the league didn’t look great but then did very well in NorCals. So could that be the case this season or are all the teams a little down?
So here's the thing: You have an Open Division in a section, and a lower-seeded team goes on the floor and upsets two teams to get to the finals -- and then loses to the top seed. The section then submits an ordered list to NorCals of how its teams should be ranked.
How can you not have the team that lost in the Open finals be No. 2 on the list? I guess you could make a case that the team that lost to the top seed in the semis could be No. 2, but really, if you have an Open, you have to honor it. Or let's say the top seed gets upset in the first round -- do they still go at the top of your ordered list?
Specifically, SHC would have to beat Pinewood, Menlo or Mitty to get to the CCS finals. Again, at that point, how would you justify putting SHC behind any of them? They just played, and SHC won. If winning games doesn't matter, then what does? Wins that happened earlier in the year?
If you go that route, then if Salesian loses before the NCS Open finals (not to Miramonte), and Miramonte gets to the NCS Open finals, Salesian should be seeded ahead of Miramonte because of a previous head-to-head win and a better body of work. Really?
How can you not have the team that lost in the Open finals be No. 2 on the list? I guess you could make a case that the team that lost to the top seed in the semis could be No. 2, but really, if you have an Open, you have to honor it. Or let's say the top seed gets upset in the first round -- do they still go at the top of your ordered list?
Specifically, SHC would have to beat Pinewood, Menlo or Mitty to get to the CCS finals. Again, at that point, how would you justify putting SHC behind any of them? They just played, and SHC won. If winning games doesn't matter, then what does? Wins that happened earlier in the year?
If you go that route, then if Salesian loses before the NCS Open finals (not to Miramonte), and Miramonte gets to the NCS Open finals, Salesian should be seeded ahead of Miramonte because of a previous head-to-head win and a better body of work. Really?
well... yea... have you ever watched the NCAA tournament??!? Happens all the time. Literally every single year. Some top seed from a conference gets beaten in their conference tournament and still gets a 1 or 2 seed... and they aren't ranked behind the team they lost to...
They seed the final tournament based on everything that happened over the course of a year. Not just a couple days worth of results from the conference tournaments. Same thing applies here
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Makes sense -- we'll see if that's what they do.
Of course, you have to assume that the NCS or CCS Open winner will go NorCal Open, regardless. Mitty's bus driver gets lost, SHC wins the Open. San Ramon Valley knocks off O'Dowd and Salesian to win NCS.
I think in that case, both would go NorCal Open. Maybe not, but there'd be some explaining to do ...
Of course, you have to assume that the NCS or CCS Open winner will go NorCal Open, regardless. Mitty's bus driver gets lost, SHC wins the Open. San Ramon Valley knocks off O'Dowd and Salesian to win NCS.
I think in that case, both would go NorCal Open. Maybe not, but there'd be some explaining to do ...
The last time they went into CCS with a record like this they won the Nor Cal D1 championship. Can't always judge a book by it's cover
I understand that. But you aren't just gonna just buy a book because the author wrote a good novel the year before. All I was saying is look at their entire body of work and make a cal...can't judge on past records
Probably not a great analogy. That's the #1 reason why people (used to) buy a particular book -- because they enjoyed a previous book from the same author.
I would actually buy a book because the author wrote a novel the year before. That is a proven track record which SHC has had in these situations. Just like I’d watch a sequel to a movie if the previous ones were good. When looking at this record and taking into consideration transferred and injuries and how they have played recently they should be OPEN CCS and should be about a 4-6 seed at that. 3 way tie for second place in league shows how tough the league was outside of MITTY so how do you take SI and Valley and not SHC. Odds are they draw Menlo who they played close in a foundation game. Let’s see how this plays out if they are on the opposite side of the bracket as MITTY. They could play themselves into a high D1 NorCal seed if it works out for them
SH is the best 8-15 team ever. The committee knows who they are and what they can do. D3 NorCals I wouldnt be surprised if they got a top 3 seed with a under .500 record.
Funny........the league or teams not looking great is all relative from year to year. There is no league in Norcal like the WCAL. There is no weak team. All 6 teams could have very easily been in CCS Open. The difference with Mitty is their size and depth over every team in Norcal, not just CCS or WCAL. I don't think there is team out there that would want to draw a WCAL team in the 1st round of norcal in any division. EVERY single team in the WCAL plays hard for 4 quarters and plays good basketball. If you know basketball then you would know that alone can win you a game vs any team. I'd say there are 11 teams that could compete with each other on any given night in CCS. The 8 open teams selected plus Aptos, Presentation, and St. Francis.
Honest question. Outside of Mitty, what other WCAL teams have beat any other team of significance to Merritt this title? Are there any leagues that would rival the WCAL? I think outside of Mitty, there are plenty in Norcal. WCAL is a good league but all im saying is that you have to take it year by year.
I understand the strength of the league and it has played out that way in NorCals before. Watching them this year, it seems down so I was polling those who have a more complete knowledge of the league.
you're not wrong. the league is down this year. You saw Pres lose to the likes of lynbrook and SF lose to the likes of aragon. In most years you would not see even the bottom of the league lose to CCS public schools.
That being said.. if those are your bottom dwellers, the WCAL still stands as the best league overall from top to bottom when you really take into account the bottoms of other leagues
What Sue has going on down there can be seen like shes a Coach K. She has national pull. All the kids and their parents want to play for her to the point that she gets ALL the talent where before the talent used to spread across the likes of SF, Pres, SHP, VC and whatever school you have down there. Its almost barf-bag material because there no one even close. Maybe Pinewood. But 9 out of 10 times Mitty is going to win and they choke when it matters.
SF beating Pres was pure luck. That program has really tanked since Polisso took over. SF should’ve stuck with Harrigan. At least he knew how to win. 2 years straight rock bottom in the league. Polisso thought she could turn SF into a Pinewood look alike by recruiting all her girls from the Fever Program. Sorry coach, this is the WCAL an entirely different level than you came from at LGHS. At best she’s a want to be Sue Phillips and not doing a very good impersonation. Such a shame they traded one bad coaching situation for a worst one. Pilawski needs to cut the cord and get someone in there that can compete in the WCAL. Thank goodness their other girls programs are legit.
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