SHCathedral loss to Santa Maria
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Fubo, you are a joke. Must make you feel good to make up things in your low iq mind and spit them out.
Three straight turnovers by the Irish qb ( the first two fumbles deep in their own territory) dug them a hole they could not get outo f.
Irish aren't going anywhere. And our cupboard is not bare.
Enjoy your one good year this year. Riordan does have some talent but they are all seniors.
Three straight turnovers by the Irish qb ( the first two fumbles deep in their own territory) dug them a hole they could not get outo f.
Irish aren't going anywhere. And our cupboard is not bare.
Enjoy your one good year this year. Riordan does have some talent but they are all seniors.
I think I touched a nerve. The talk is out there. The Cathedral fans are already getting testy and they have only played two games. Every year Cathedral fans love to talk about their incoming classes and they still go winless in the WCAL.
Fubo. I just don't understand why you get so much pleasure over the demise of the Irish football program? Ill give you this, I was impressed with Riordan's win at SHP. As for Irish...Yes, same ole thing, even more so. SHC admin has gone to great effort to "encourage" more football oriented student/athletes to attend their school. My only issue with this is, not a lot can be done with helping out specialty players get in your school if you don't have Big Uglies up front. Sheppard has a target on his back and teams will continue to stack line, knowing Irish have little else. Nothing different from last year (potentially even worst). Watching SHCs opponent last night was proof Irish will never be more than marginal until they "encourage" more line personnel to come to SHC. Maybe risk one of their better baseball players to come out for QB. Every time I hear a SHC kid say he has to go to passing league in summer, I laugh. I am just curious if Irish try running plays during passing league? They missed an opportunity the past two years with a decent QB, and there is not a throwing one (along with an o-line help) in their future. I suggest instead of participating in a Passing League, they join a O-Line league. With no line, Coach Peralta has no choice but to revert to the Lowell high school offense. What else can he do? At least the Irish play in a beautiful venue.
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City Vibes...everything you say is true. I believe there are some big lineman in the pipeline so that may be coming. This year they have some beef up front and one guy that is 300 with many offers. What is a mystery is why SHC game is so dry or conservative..even with a decent QB we don't throw much or run screen plays or throw it out in space. I get this with John Lee, everyone knew he ran only a few plays...but Coach Peralta has a much better resume so I would think he would be more creative. I know this is high school football but you got to mix it up, I do understand we don't have large numbers so we want our offense on the field controlling the clock, but I haven't really seen any true shots down the field in the last couple of years. Last year's SI game was a good example, we didn't start throwing until late in the game...we were already down 20-0. If you are losing by three touchdowns, and have a decent qb in White coached by Ken Peralta, why not air it out a few times especially when they expect run run run.? The QB before that Jerry Peralta coached by John Lee didn't air it out much either, but he showed decent arm strength at CCSF and got himself a scholarship this year, so he obviously can throw well enough. They have decent receivers such as Murphy even though he is injured now. He is fun to watch because you can see the DB's being shell shocked when he is running up the field because they don't realize how tough it is to bring him down. We do need to mold some better qb's in the future not just running ones but the truth is even when we had one, we didn't throw. That line you said about us running in the passing league was too funny. As far as the baseball program I have heard we have some gems this year and last year.
Injuries goes with the territory playing football. It can happen to anyone at any time and I certainly don't wish this upon any player...especially the season-ending type. Now is the time to find out what the Irish sophs are made of. Could be a blessing in disguise.
I, too, am surprised that Peralta didn't utilize White the past two seasons...but that may have had to do with the small numbers in the O/D lines.
Coach Fordon was very active coaching at the many junior football camps this past spring/summer and held his own camp this summer at Riordan. Throw in a young staff who are full-time faculty where 2 recently finished their D1 college careers and you have personnel that can relate to the kids. There were an awful lot of kids wearing SF Warrior jerseys yesterday at the SHP-Riordan game and they joined in a group picture of the SF Warrior alum now playing @ Riordan.
RIordan's current lower class levels might not be deep in the skill level players that are on varsity today, but there are a lot of kids who are good O/D lineman being groomed and the participation levels have been very good.
Sprinkle in a very good soph qb taking his snaps at JVs this year, this will be a true test of Fordon's ability to build a sustainable competitive program. The signs are there, but we will soon see...
I, too, am surprised that Peralta didn't utilize White the past two seasons...but that may have had to do with the small numbers in the O/D lines.
Coach Fordon was very active coaching at the many junior football camps this past spring/summer and held his own camp this summer at Riordan. Throw in a young staff who are full-time faculty where 2 recently finished their D1 college careers and you have personnel that can relate to the kids. There were an awful lot of kids wearing SF Warrior jerseys yesterday at the SHP-Riordan game and they joined in a group picture of the SF Warrior alum now playing @ Riordan.
RIordan's current lower class levels might not be deep in the skill level players that are on varsity today, but there are a lot of kids who are good O/D lineman being groomed and the participation levels have been very good.
Sprinkle in a very good soph qb taking his snaps at JVs this year, this will be a true test of Fordon's ability to build a sustainable competitive program. The signs are there, but we will soon see...
Jordan24, nice to have some D1 that can relate to kids. I think the other way is the Next Level way, Peralta runs that flag football camp which is popular with Serra and SHC and some other schools. I think Peralta and staff do get to screen some young talent at a personal level and talk up the school. There are some Warrior kids at SHC...QB Logan White was one of them and others. But Riordan's senior class is definitely filled with them especially this graduating class. I think you are right, Coach Peralta said White got hit a lot especially his junior year, they didn't have an O line, but they had a little guy named Brett Rasso who is now playing baseball at St. Mary's College who tore it up running the ball. All we can do is be patient and see what develops thru time. I like the senior Aidan Hamilton-Verba kid, great lightning speed, I do not know why we didn't land him because SHC was his first choice. I am sure he is very happy at Riordan and he is doing well which is all that matters.
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Fool-Bo's been there a lot lately.
Easy. He has a mental problem. I'm dead serious. What kind of a freak goes on for years with an obsession like this?
It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools. - Ecclesiastes 7:5
Update: December 11, 2021: Sacred Heart 4A State Football Champions. Smoke that, fool-bo.
Easy. He has a mental problem. I'm dead serious. What kind of a freak goes on for years with an obsession like this?
It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person than to listen to the song of fools. - Ecclesiastes 7:5
Update: December 11, 2021: Sacred Heart 4A State Football Champions. Smoke that, fool-bo.
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Verba chose Riordan over Cathedral for a reason which makes Cathedral his second choice. What kid who has the ability and desire to play a skill position or QB would want to play in that plodding 1920 Canton Bulldogs offense or have to get bussed to practice every day. In addition, even a former WCAL league and State Champion Alumni coach hasn't been able to win even one game in the WCAL going into his third year. The coming back to the WCAL experiment has failed for SHCathedral. There is no shame in dropping to a lower level to be able to compete.
No fool-bo...I actually asked him when he was a freshman...and he thought he got into SHC originally...he even had his recruitment page up showing he was going there when the warriors site was up talking about alumni, so I am not spewing bs. For some reason it just didn't happen and maybe SHC dropped the ball on him.... But thanks for your input, fool. Nevertheless,a big play potential kid who works hard. I have to respect that. If you can respect anything, Peralta probably used that offense you are complaining about to win Reardon a WCAL title. Anyhow, You must have got beaten up by an SHC kid in your lifetime, rejected by a girl from there, or didn't make it in yourself. It wouldn't surprise me with that attitude of yours that all three happened. By the way, Riordan frosh were spanked by Concord 66-0, so go study up some facts before you come back.
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Since when did middle school kids have "recruitment pages"? He chose to go to RIordan obviously. If Peralta did use that offense to win a WCAL title at Riordan why can't SH win one game in two years (and counting) with it?
If you are researching and using freshman football scores to bolster your argument you are getting desperate. Only a Cathedral fan would fall in love with frosh scores. Good luck in the AAA in 2017.
Try finding it, it was on the Warriors alumni page listing all the players going to city schools, etc....and he started his own page.. Ask him...aren't you close to the Riordan Alumni association or go to the games?? Wait, probably not, because Riordan didn't want you either. Anyhow, if we are in the AAA we still will get to play Riordan...have no fear, things happen in cycles.
Instead of lining up in with everyone in the box keying in on Jamar, spread him out on the perimeter and run bubble screens in space. He'll have a better shot opening something up on the outside rather than just running into a pile and hoping to break out of it. In fact just run bubble screens period, its pretty much the same thing as a run.
It might be helpful to recall that SH (the "C" came later) was not thrilled about leaving the AAA for the new WCAL in 1967. SI bolted from the AAA and joined first. SH waited for a year or so before making the leap with some reluctance. Then, after suffering decades of thrashings in WCAL football, the Irish took a considerable hiatus from league participation in the sport, preferring to play a downsized independent schedule. But SHC is back and continues to struggle. Attempts to join what was then the old North Peninsula League did not bear fruit.
I truly feel bad for SH football fans for having to watch that boring and plodding offense. It is not effective in this era and is akin to watching paint dry. Peralta has shown his stubbornness and lack of ability to adapt by sticking with this sorry excuse for an offense. The team has averaged 11 PPG two years in a row in league play. My guess is that it will be even lower this year as the league seems to be stronger overall. If I was the athletic director at SH I would replace him at seasons end. Enough is enough.
Having been in school when Jamar's dad played, I was able to see Jamar actually not get beat up week after week like Junior is. Playing the independent schedule with SI, Riordan +1 other WCAL team on the schedule wouldnt be bad. You see year after year playing the behemoths of Serra, Bellarmine, SF, VC and Mitty is just going to get kids hurt. And for who? For what? High school football? Seriously. Not worth it.
I would advise Coach Peralta if you want your RBs to survive the season, start running screen plays, bubble screens and fly sweeps instead of running him into the box where there's 11 guys waiting for him.
Coach Peralta is a solid coach, but even a better person. He is a good fit for SHC. They will always be behind the 8 ball due to lack of facilities for the program. He wont admit to it. The school is selling itself to its kids on academic merit (which in all honesty is paramount) and hoping for the best. They do have a better than average frosh and soph class, athletic-wise. The question will always be can they maintain it, despite less than ideal outdoor facilities. Granted, Kezar is arguably one of better home fields. Other than soccer (in last few years), the outdoor sports at varsity level have been atrocious (league win-wise). A very good crop of young baseball players at frosh and soph level.Their gym is nice and as a result have attracted enough talent to win State Championship in both boys and womens basketball, and women volleyball. Not going hard after the Presidio field 15 years agao set outdoor sports at SHC back a generation of student/athletes. Water under the bridge now. But again, without adequate investment and stagnant outdoor facility infrastructure development for past 15 years, this is what you get. Dont get me wrong, the school has made the most of what it has (on campus). Cant squeeze blood out of turnip.
If that's the state of football at SHC and you are OK with the way Perlata has ran the program, specifically the offense, going into his 3rd season at the helm then maybe an softer Independent schedule is best. Remove the program from the WCAL.
Geary is right, the players get hurt all the time. Not that it matters that the QBs are hurt as far as the "passing game" goes. They don't throw the ball anyway. The team is boring, they waste the few talented players they have, and it sucks. The results speak for themselves. I hope Sheppard-Williams makes it through this season without injury.
Direct. Did I say I was OK with the program. I don't have a stake in the matter. I simply made an observation that Peralta is a good man/solid coaching pedigree and outdoor facilities have hindered their program. If I was a parent/player who expected more from an offensive perspective, or a pass oriented offense (which I am sure their next opponent excels at) I would be disappointed. San Francisco is too spread out and too many schools for "one" school to attract all best football-oriented student/athletes. SHC football has very little to attract potential football kids other than a nice venue to play its games on a Friday night. Its the other 6 days of the week, they are losing kids out to other schools. As for sheppard, It would have been very interesting to see him play for SI where they spread the offense, historically have big uglies up front and a carpet to run on and enough depth where he wouldnt have to play the downs he does at SHC.
There is something to be said about CityVibes post and touches on points others have brought up from time to time.
One thing I will mention is that "SF..has too many schools to attract all the best football-oriented student/athletes" is not necesssarily accurate - in regards to the challenges SHC & Riordan face and to lesser degree SI. I'll start with SHP with a student body smaller than any WCAL school, yet they won the CCS Open last season, which no one on this board predicted or thought possible. The SHP team last season was not big physically and their roster numbers were smaller than many of the teams they faced. Valley Christian also has a smaller student body of male students yet consistently fields quality competitive teams. So the facilities at SHC are one hurdle to overcome and number of players are another.
This season SHC seemed to have an adequate number of players and like Bellarmine a number of them are playing both ways. As posters have pointed out Riordan has made a change in the direction their program was heading in. SHC on the other hand from what I've observed the last 2 season's and in this present season is proceeding exactly in the same manner, and therefore can expect the same results. SHC was rated higher than Riordan for a 3rd year in a row and for the 3rd year in a row I rated Riordan above SHC as well as SI for those very same reasons.
One thing I will mention is that "SF..has too many schools to attract all the best football-oriented student/athletes" is not necesssarily accurate - in regards to the challenges SHC & Riordan face and to lesser degree SI. I'll start with SHP with a student body smaller than any WCAL school, yet they won the CCS Open last season, which no one on this board predicted or thought possible. The SHP team last season was not big physically and their roster numbers were smaller than many of the teams they faced. Valley Christian also has a smaller student body of male students yet consistently fields quality competitive teams. So the facilities at SHC are one hurdle to overcome and number of players are another.
This season SHC seemed to have an adequate number of players and like Bellarmine a number of them are playing both ways. As posters have pointed out Riordan has made a change in the direction their program was heading in. SHC on the other hand from what I've observed the last 2 season's and in this present season is proceeding exactly in the same manner, and therefore can expect the same results. SHC was rated higher than Riordan for a 3rd year in a row and for the 3rd year in a row I rated Riordan above SHC as well as SI for those very same reasons.
I cannot reiterate more than to remind people this is just high school sports. My guess would be 10-15% of the student body of schools play sports. Kids are there to learn and try to get into college. As an SHC alum, I will never expect the football program to ever be a Serra, St. Francis, Bellarmine. I know where there school's athletic strengths are and thats in Girls Volleyball, Girls Basketball, and Boys Basketball. Every blue moon we will have a kid who becomes an Olympian or make an NFL roster. Thats always nice and makes me and the whole Irish family proud.
At $20,000 a year (plus pledges)...I expect these parent demand their kids more than "try" to get into college. LOL Their indoor sports (since the facility) have annually been competitive (though their first State Championship for Girls basketball was pre-new gym). As the movie quote goes "If you build it, they will come." Otherwise, the school is apparently thriving, which in the big picture....
It is $17,500 a year. 
The most important date each week is game day and the Irish play at the best statdium in the league. They do have a practice field which is more than adequate and none of the kids are bothered having to go to Westmoor two days a week to practice at a very nice facility. Patience my good people the program will turn. Lots of talent and size at the frosh and soph level.
The most important date each week is game day and the Irish play at the best statdium in the league. They do have a practice field which is more than adequate and none of the kids are bothered having to go to Westmoor two days a week to practice at a very nice facility. Patience my good people the program will turn. Lots of talent and size at the frosh and soph level.Cityvibes2, I agree, the school should always be active in finding better facilities or a bigger field. Ive mentioned in several blogs they should make a pitch to take over Lang park which is across the street from the SF Park and Rec. This will reduce the city departments' annual budget for more exclusive rights for SHC and the surrounding community use. Maybe a 60/40 type of deal. Ive even mentioned Gaileo High if it loses its' team in the future. Im certainly willing to give Coach Ken Peralta at least 5 years to show improvement, he is bringing in better players it appears but the wins are not there yet....Ken Peralta is a good teacher and bleeds IRISH Green....he is definitely a LIFE coach and isn't going anywhere and is a graduate from SH so he has ties with a lot of the school people. He won't give up...Peralta is a proven winner and has excelled at other schools and different programs. In five years, we can revaluate and hire Coach Fordon and maybe Fubo if it doesn't work out...LOL, but Ken Peralta will retire at SHC
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It is $17,500 a year.
I think we're the only ones not worried about the program. The '96 & '97 teams were undefeated. I heard no complaints about bus rides to practice then. Plus, nobody is "removing" the program.
Mr. Direct is more like "Mis-Direct".
Update: Dec. 11, 2021: "SHC California State 4A Champions".
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I think you should bring back former SH coaches Lee and Sweeney and have them form a great coaching triumvirateCityvibes2, I agree, the school should always be active in finding better facilities or a bigger field. Ive mentioned in several blogs they should make a pitch to take over Lang park which is across the street from the SF Park and Rec. This will reduce the city departments' annual budget for more exclusive rights for SHC and the surrounding community use. Maybe a 60/40 type of deal. Ive even mentioned Gaileo High if it loses its' team in the future. Im certainly willing to give Coach Ken Peralta at least 5 years to show improvement, he is bringing in better players it appears but the wins are not there yet....Ken Peralta is a good teacher and bleeds IRISH Green....he is definitely a LIFE coach and isn't going anywhere and is a graduate from SH so he has ties with a lot of the school people. He won't give up...Peralta is a proven winner and has excelled at other schools and different programs. In five years, we can revaluate and hire Coach Fordon and maybe Fubo if it doesn't work out...LOL, but Ken Peralta will retire at SHC
with Peralta. That would be football theatre from the Gods.
I don't think the NPL or the PAL even considered letting the team in just for football. I emailed some hot shot about it once and all I got back was "They're already in a league".
Sacred Heart left the AAA in 1969. The deciding factor was Wilson starting a riot after the basketball championship game at Kezar Pavilion, where the Irish used them as mops and down the court.
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They were still independent then. 9-0-1 in 1996 and 10-0 in 1997.
Also, the loss was to St. Joseph's, not "Santa Maria" you bubble-brained, obsessed fool.
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There are several key issues you have made here. Facilities, yes that has always been a problem. Students, be honest, overall there are less boys participating in football. Compounding the problem is one of the most competitive leagues, WCAL. Schools that win have a system and breed consistency. The challenge for Riordan and SHC has been the competition over a shrinking pool of talent. SI is a regional school. Serra even draws boys from the city. Perhaps instead of SHC leaving the WCAL they combine forces with Riordan and together they would be able to field a competitive team. Imagine JSW behind Riordan's O line? Think what headaches he and Sanders would create....Perhaps addition by subtraction? Look for some positives and answers.
Sacred Heart Cathedral increased it's enrollment (and it's rosters). In 2014 they admitted 373 freshmen. This year I assume it's around the same. The frosh football roster last year was around 49 and it's about 48 this season. SHC will NOT leave the WCAL. 18 years out was long enough. What I'll never know is why the CCS couldn't make a simple rule change to allow SHC to be in the CCS playoffs as an independent. It's more likely Riordan will drop-out, join an 8-man league and take Fool-bo with them. That is, if they don't close the school first and lease the building and land to CCSF.
As for the facilities, Lang Field nearby is set to be renovated and SHC will be using it for football practice by the 2018 season, effectively doubling the practice area they have now.
UPDATE: Who won three football championships in 2021?
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373. More girls than boys. The female to male student ratio gets bigger every year. Enjoy these next few seasons in the WCAL before the big meeting and announcement. It will be best for your female dominated school and the players. Watching teams keying on Sheppard and seeing him even with his outstanding abilities get pummelled 30 times a game is painful. Three years of the post Lee - second coming of Peralta era and not even a sign or an inkling of program improvement except for the mysterious sightings of the few potential frosh, sophs and jr's. Good luck with that offense. I'm sure it will attract skill players by the ones. The football program is subject to inherent institutional and demographic problems. Just getting to the school in that shady area with all of the current and getting worse traffic restrictions and issues is a huge negative. Spending hours on buses every week just to get to off site practices takes a toll. And no Roxies close by. Keep tapping your ruby slippers together and wishing for a miracle.
When you live in a glass house....
In all honesty as hallowed the legacy of generations of Riordanites, your alumni have been bullish about giving back to the school. Shows when asked to put their money where their mouth is...The Restani gym expansion and football/baseball improvements have failed miserably. A lot of pretty pictures but no money. The school cant even raise money to paint the school. The boarding program is simply keeping the school (let alone the football program) afloat. Let's hope the school is around in ten years. Despite all, Riordan does serve a purpose. Being in a fog bank all the time doesn't help either. The best thing about Riordan is their concession stand during basketball season. You do know how to flip a burger.
So again, about glass houses.....
In all honesty as hallowed the legacy of generations of Riordanites, your alumni have been bullish about giving back to the school. Shows when asked to put their money where their mouth is...The Restani gym expansion and football/baseball improvements have failed miserably. A lot of pretty pictures but no money. The school cant even raise money to paint the school. The boarding program is simply keeping the school (let alone the football program) afloat. Let's hope the school is around in ten years. Despite all, Riordan does serve a purpose. Being in a fog bank all the time doesn't help either. The best thing about Riordan is their concession stand during basketball season. You do know how to flip a burger.
So again, about glass houses.....
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http://www.riordanhs.org/clue/News/18931
Long overdue, but infrastructure/facility renovations are now starting:
http://www.riordanhs.org/clue/News/18931
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Long overdue, but infrastructure/facility renovations are now starting:
http://www.riordanhs.org/clue/News/18931
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPkEkIBUAAATc_G.jpg:large
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Your English teacher at shC failed you miserably. That was one poorly written paragraph. Do you know the meaning of "Bullish"? shC has NO football, baseball or soccer fields and has a big Costco style warehouse "gym". But you don't like our fields or our incredible gym? As Jordan24 pointed out with pictures for you illiterates, the 'reno' is starting. They have shed themselves of the less qualified and have hired exceptionally qualified people. The new Development Director, the new Admissions Director, new AD's, new Football coach and other very important behind the scenes people. Enjoy the unique shC experience of interpretative dance recitals, anti Bishop rallies, smashed out car windows and transients defecating on the entrance stairs to the buildings.
Concur. That ignore button works. This kid's an embarrassment to Rabbit fans.
Oh, and the two-time CCS Soccer champion IRISH did pretty well without an on-campus soccer field while a certain purple-cladded team has been averaging 18 losses a year WITH a field. We all know Sacred Heart Cathedral has the best prep gym in the City so I won't re-kindle that argument (and Riordan jealousy) but the school is not in a 'shady' area and there aren't any people sleeping on the stairs or doing anything else around. You're pathetic and I'm done with your idiocy.
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FUBO. Ouch... I'm crushed. I do have a question for you...How many keyboards do you go through in a year?
It's true you are annoying but I do get a thrill seeing you pop a vain through the screen. I just cant imagine who/what/how somebody at SHC (BTW, not an alum) made you turn out this way.
Look, I complemented your school on a fine concession stand; I do miss the pasta bowls (on that we can agree, no?). The Forum is the preeminent gym in City. And if it makes you feel any better, SHC does have the worst concession stand in league.
By your own admission, Riordan had to make several breaks with its past (some to avoid embarrassing lawsuits) to hopefully move into the new century. I hope things turn around and bring Riordan back to its glory days of the early 70's. The true wrecking crew would be proud. They may even open up their pocket books. The Archdiocese sure hopes so.
It's true you are annoying but I do get a thrill seeing you pop a vain through the screen. I just cant imagine who/what/how somebody at SHC (BTW, not an alum) made you turn out this way.
Look, I complemented your school on a fine concession stand; I do miss the pasta bowls (on that we can agree, no?). The Forum is the preeminent gym in City. And if it makes you feel any better, SHC does have the worst concession stand in league.
By your own admission, Riordan had to make several breaks with its past (some to avoid embarrassing lawsuits) to hopefully move into the new century. I hope things turn around and bring Riordan back to its glory days of the early 70's. The true wrecking crew would be proud. They may even open up their pocket books. The Archdiocese sure hopes so.
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