SoCal Regional Bowl Games Announced

[SearsPoints]

CIF just annouced the SoCal Regional Bowl Matchups, here they are:

Open Division – Saturday, Dec. 8 at 8:00 p.m.
Mater Dei

Division 1AA – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Narbonne (LA)(10-3) at Cathedral Catholic (SD)(11-1)

Division 1A – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Sierra Canyon (SS)(11-3) at Upland (SS)(12-2)

Division 2AA - Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
St. Augustine (SD)(10-3) vs Grace Brethren (SS)(12-2) at Cal Lutheran University

Division 2A – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Lawndale (SS)(12-2) vs South Hills (SS)(14-0) at Covina Stadium

Division 3AA – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Lincoln San Diego (SD)(10-4) at Culver City (SS)(12-2)

Division 3A – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Eisenhower (SS)(14-0) at Kaiser (SS)(13-1)

Division 4AA – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Morse (SD)(9-4) at Central Valley Christian (CS)(12-2)

Division 4A – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Kennedy Delano (CS)(13-1) at Garfield (LA)(12-1)

Division 5AA – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Western-Anaheim (SS)(12-2) at San Gorgonio (SS)(11-3)

Division 5A – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Linfield Christian (SS)(13-1) at San Diego (SD)(11-1)

Division 6AA – Friday, Nov. 30 at 7:30 p.m.
Adelanto (12-1) at Strathmore (CS)(12-1)

Division 6A – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Locke (LA)(12-4) at Orange Glen (SD)(8-3)

State Title Game:
Division 7AA – Saturday, Dec. 1 at 6:00 p.m.
Santee (LA)(13-1) at Denair (SJS)(11-1)

 

[raffidog123]

Interesting that at least 4 teams (MD,SJB, CC, Oaks Chris) will finish the year in the national Top 20, and only one goes to the playoffs.

 

[SearsPoints]

Central (Fresno), Tulare Union & San Joaquin Memorial (Fresno) will be in the North Regional Bowl games

 

[Truthhertz]

Interesting that at least 4 teams (MD,SJB, CC, Oaks Chris) will finish the year in the national Top 20, and only one goes to the playoffs.

Nothing interesting there it’s how sports go winner’s and losers.

 

[FBAddict]

Interesting that at least 4 teams (MD,SJB, CC, Oaks Chris) will finish the year in the national Top 20, and only one goes to the playoffs.

Hmm... I thought all 4 teams were on the playoffs. Maybe you meant that only one moves on to the bowl games. Some consider the sbg as part of the playoffs and others consider them a matchup of champions from different divisions and sections.

 

[raffidog123]

I meant that all four team were in the Open Playoff bracket and only one goes to the State Games. It thus will turn out that DLS plays the #1 or #2 team in the country, depending on where MD is ranked, and the other powerhouse team from the North, Folsom, gets to play a nobody again in the Div 1 State Game.

I just wish the So Cal powers could be split up amongst the divisions.

 

[Truthhertz]

I meant that all four team were in the Open Playoff bracket and only one goes to the State Games. It thus will turn out that DLS plays the #1 or #2 team in the country, depending on where MD is ranked, and the other powerhouse team from the North, Folsom, gets to play a nobody again in the Div 1 State Game.

And that’s how Folsom and NorCal in general likes it. These schools don’t want to face the best they want to back into a state title. It’s not Socal that’s screwy here it’s Norcal pandering to teams, coaches, parents, and fans. They continue to look for ways to get their top teams into the SBG games instead of just making their best play it out on the field. Even when that happens and a teams loses they allow them to advance in some cases......weird.

 

[observer22]

And that’s how Folsom and NorCal in general likes it. These schools don’t want to face the best they want to back into a state title. It’s not Socal that’s screwy here it’s Norcal pandering to teams, coaches, parents, and fans. They continue to look for ways to get their top teams into the SBG games instead of just making their best play it out on the field. Even when that happens and a teams loses they allow them to advance in some cases......weird.

It’s not all that weird. In basketball, SoCal allows section losers to advance to the state playoffs, and also all the semifinal losers. Just as NorCal does. SoCal is not above allowing losers to advance. Football just seems to have the most trouble for CA to develop an actual state playoff system that works.

 

[colhenrylives]

It’s not all that weird. In basketball, SoCal allows section losers to advance to the state playoffs, and also all the semifinal losers. Just as NorCal does. SoCal is not above allowing losers to advance. Football just seems to have the most trouble for CA to develop an actual state playoff system that works.

The state is too large to have a true football playoff system. There are too many schools. Just look at the massive Southern Section by itself: Nearly 600 schools all by itself. It's a separate state within a state.

 

[Truthhertz]

It’s not all that weird. In basketball, SoCal allows section losers to advance to the state playoffs, and also all the semifinal losers. Just as NorCal does. SoCal is not above allowing losers to advance. Football just seems to have the most trouble for CA to develop an actual state playoff system that works.

Lol, nice try Basketball isn’t football and topic here is football. Want to talk about sports that call time outs when things get heated great, go to basketball forum. This is about football. And yes it’s weird to allow a losers to advance in football, it’s weird to actively try and make it so the top teams don’t knock each other out in football, the overall attitude towards DLS in general by NorCal fans, teams, etc, is weird. Socal isn’t the ones who have it wrong it’s Norcal. Folsom and others may get participation trophies again this year and play some mid tier Socal teams while doing so.

 

[SearsPoints]

The state is too large to have a true football playoff system. There are too many schools. Just look at the massive Southern Section by itself: Nearly 600 schools all by itself. It's a separate state within a state.

There are 1270 11-man football teams in Texas, 1050 11-man teams in California. Texas has a true state playoff system that works, California does not. No, California is not to big. If Texas can do it, so can California.

 

[ararar]

The state is too large to have a true football playoff system. There are too many schools. Just look at the massive Southern Section by itself: Nearly 600 schools all by itself. It's a separate state within a state.

Texas says Hi

 

[ararar]

Interesting that at least 4 teams (MD,SJB, CC, Oaks Chris) will finish the year in the national Top 20, and only one goes to the playoffs.

You’re welcome NorCal

 

[ararar]

There’s only 10 reasons why California doesn’t have a true state playoff

 

[FBAddict]

The state is too large to have a true football playoff system. There are too many schools. Just look at the massive Southern Section by itself: Nearly 600 schools all by itself. It's a separate state within a state.

You should look at Texas if you think CA can't have a playoff system.

PS
I should read all posts first. But you should really get the picture how wrong your statement is.

 

[observer22]

Lol, nice try Basketball isn’t football and topic here is football. Want to talk about sports that call time outs when things get heated great, go to basketball forum. This is about football. And yes it’s weird to allow a losers to advance in football, it’s weird to actively try and make it so the top teams don’t knock each other out in football, the overall attitude towards DLS in general by NorCal fans, teams, etc, is weird. Socal isn’t the ones who have it wrong it’s Norcal. Folsom and others may get participation trophies again this year and play some mid tier Socal teams while doing so.

I didn’t realize football teams didn’t call timeouts when things get heated. Nice try.

 

[Truthhertz]

I didn’t realize football teams didn’t call timeouts when things get heated. Nice try.

By “heated” I was referring to physicality and no football teams don’t. But then again I wouldn’t expect somebody trying to compare basketball with football to get that.

 

[SOCALPREP1]

I believe whoever wins between the San diego champion or LA unfied district champion, will give folsom a game, for about a half.

 

[NorCalwatch]

The state is too large to have a true football playoff system. There are too many schools. Just look at the massive Southern Section by itself: Nearly 600 schools all by itself. It's a separate state within a state.

More rambling here there everywhere

 

[Humbab]

Teams like MD, SJB, OC, Cent10, etc... want open or nothing. The open winner is the CA state champs. The rest are the toilet bowls. Good teams don’t care about 1AA, 1A, 2AA, etc... They don’t want 2 extra games to decide there second best. SJB already knows there the second best team in Ca. Winning 1AA is going to do nothing to prove that fact.

 

[Cal 14]

It seems like hardly any of you know what you're talking about. I'll preface the following by pointing out that I live in SoCal.

1. The CIF sections existed long, long before this new system. People are not "pandering" in NorCal to advance more top teams. The teams win their sections* and move on.

2. The SoCal teams, generally, want nothing to do with St. John Bosco or Mater Dei. They are not interested in just the Open. Most schools absolutely do NOT want to be in SS D-I.

3. The vast majority of the schools in SoCal very much care about the lower divisions. Only a handful actually care about the Open.

4. The SS used to have a system such that more of their top teams could advance. They chose their current path. As such, I have no sympathy for them. NorCal has no obligation to eliminate its sections on the behalf of SoCal.

5. The ONLY reason why teams do not typically lose and advance in the playoffs in football is logistics. You can only play one game per week, so logistics generally prevents a losing team from advancing because you can only play so many games. Losers advance all the time in other sports because the logistics allow it. Playoffs are about money as much as anything else. If an organization could profit from having losers advance in a logistical way, it would.

 

[SOCALPREP1]

Well, Folsom is the big point people make around here when it comes to pandering.

 

[Cal 14]

Well, Folsom is the big point people make around here when it comes to pandering.

Under the current rules, it's all sort of relative. The SS D-I champ would eliminate either the SDS or LACS Open winner if the Open regional still existed. In NorCal, instead of Folsom playing for a state title in D-1AA, you'd get Liberty vs. Central. In SoCal, you'd get Narbonne vs Upland. Everything would shift upward.

NorCal hasn't won every single one of these D-1AA games. A change would impact both regions.

 

[Humbab]

It seems like hardly any of you know what you're talking about. I'll preface the following by pointing out that I live in SoCal.

1. The CIF sections existed long, long before this new system. People are not "pandering" in NorCal to advance more top teams. The teams win their sections* and move on.

2. The SoCal teams, generally, want nothing to do with St. John Bosco or Mater Dei. They are not interested in just the Open. Most schools absolutely do NOT want to be in SS D-I.

3. The vast majority of the schools in SoCal very much care about the lower divisions. Only a handful actually care about the Open.

4. The SS used to have a system such that more of their top teams could advance. They chose their current path. As such, I have no sympathy for them. NorCal has no obligation to eliminate its sections on the behalf of SoCal.

5. The ONLY reason why teams do not typically lose and advance in the playoffs in football is logistics. You can only play one game per week, so logistics generally prevents a losing team from advancing because you can only play so many games. Losers advance all the time in other sports because the logistics allow it. Playoffs are about money as much as anything else. If an organization could profit from having losers advance in a logistical way, it would.

The fact remains that the open is the state champions. The rest are just division champs, But it’s because they have no choice. They don’t stand a chance against MD, SJB, or Cent10. Pointing out the fact that you live in SoCal means NOTHING. There are hundreds of schools in SoCal and I’ll bet if you ask any coach in SoCal if they would rather win the open or there division. Everyone of them to a person would say open. Trust me the teams I pointed out want NOTHING to do with anything but the open. Anything else is just participation.

 

[joebl]

The fact remains that the open is the state champions. The rest are just division champs.

Just a correction here. The Open is the State Championship, the rest of the winners are State Bowl game winners. Divisions were used to reflect enrollment size, but the Bowl games are not based on enrollment sizes.

 

[Cal 14]

The fact remains that the open is the state champions. The rest are just division champs, But it’s because they have no choice. They don’t stand a chance against MD, SJB, or Cent10. Pointing out the fact that you live in SoCal means NOTHING. There are hundreds of schools in SoCal and I’ll bet if you ask any coach in SoCal if they would rather win the open or there division. Everyone of them to a person would say open. Trust me the teams I pointed out want NOTHING to do with anything but the open. Anything else is just participation.

There are 385 football playing school in the SS. Only 3 have a viable chance at competing at the open. You'd have to be an imbecile to not be one of those three teams but still hold the opinion you posed.

 

[Cal 14]

Just a correction here. The Open is the State Championship, the rest of the winners are State Bowl game winners. Divisions were used to reflect enrollment size, but the Bowl games are not based on enrollment sizes.

Not correct. Enrollment is not the determination of divisions for much of the state.

Further, although we recognize the Open winner as being the overall state's best team, all the other schools who win their division will definitely be raising banners that say state champion.

 

[Humbab]

Not correct. Enrollment is not the determination of divisions for much of the state.

Further, although we recognize the Open winner as being the overall state's best team, all the other schools who win their division will definitely be raising banners that say state champion.

Exactly right. They will be raising there participation award. And sadly happy to do so. Any team in SoCal could win the open in any given year. A school with an enrollment of 100 could win if they put in the work and go get the right 25 transfers. I am not a dls fan but they have proven that no SoCal team can win the open with out a butt load of transfers. This year I beleave it will be 24 for MD against 1 for dls and that 1 is second string.

I take exception to someone who comes on here and says “ it seems like hardly any of you know what your talking about” and because your from SoCal you know what your talking about. IMO you haven’t proven anyone on here wrong.

 

[Truthhertz]

1. The CIF sections existed long, long before this new system. People are not "pandering" in NorCal to advance more top teams. The teams win their sections* and move on.

Interesting take to be sure. So allowing a loser to advance on isn’t pandering? Stopping the open game for the NorCal Rep wasn’t a attempt to pander to the wishes of the losers because they had to play DLS? It also means the next best team up North gets to a SBG, unlike Socal. Watch the pissing and moaning start if Liberty beats DLS and they advance off that loss.......

 

[Sacchiefs]

It must be getting close to bowl season around here? Norcal and socal posters are getting fired up! I love it, but before we get to involve into a norcal vs socal debate, Did anyone sing the national anthem yet?

 

[joebl]

Not correct. Enrollment is not the determination of divisions for much of the state.

Further, although we recognize the Open winner as being the overall state's best team, all the other schools who win their division will definitely be raising banners that say state champion.

Enrollment WAS the primary determination the CIF used to determine the State/Regional championships 2014 and prior. There were exceptions when Sections such as a section having an Open champion would automatically be placed in Div 1 regardless of enrollment.

School banners can say anything they want to, but the CIF would recognize teams as the State Championship Bowl winner.