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USA Today names Matt Logan Coach of the Year

Don't get confused here. Beyond his body of work he has the respect of the coaching community from la to NorCal, both high school and college. Matt Logan can teach this game.
 
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To me, what Casey Taylor did at DO this year in turning a 2-6 team into a State Champ -- over a 15-0 team no less -- was a bit more worthy of COTY than Matt Logan coming up short yet again despite having a wealth of 1st class athletes. Imagine what Coach Taylor would do with the talent that comes though Centennial. They'd certainly field better defenses than they typically do.
 
To me, what Casey Taylor did at DO this year in turning a 2-6 team into a State Champ -- over a 15-0 team no less -- was a bit more worthy of COTY than Matt Logan coming up short yet again despite having a wealth of 1st class athletes. Imagine what Coach Taylor would do with the talent that comes though Centennial. They'd certainly field better defenses than they typically do.
He lost six games! Honestly...
 
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He lost six games! Honestly...

Glad you added the 'honestly'. Your point wouldn't have made any sense without it.

So you're just going to ignore the type of deck he was working with and the midseason adjustments that were made as if that doesn't matter at all?

Not only did Del Oro not have elite level speed and talent like Centennial, most every Del Oro fan will tell you that this wasn't even one of their better teams. They overcame a terrible start and overachieved like no other.

Most any coach worth his weight could have went 15-1 with Centennial's talent, and some would have managed to beat DLS and go 16-0 because they would have actually taken points and kicked FG's when they were available.

Your comment really shows a lack of understanding.
 
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Glad you added the 'honestly'. Your point wouldn't have made any sense without it.

So you're just going to ignore the type of deck he was working with and the midseason adjustments that were made as if that doesn't matter at all?

Not only did Del Oro not have elite level speed and talent like Centennial, most every Del Oro fan will tell you that this wasn't even one of their better teams. They overcame a terrible start and overachieved like no other.

Most any coach worth his weight could have went 15-1 with Centennial's talent, and some would have managed to beat DLS and go 16-0 because they would have actually taken points and kicked FG's when they were available.

Your comment really shows a lack of understanding.
Your shows a solid bias. Come on, you know how these work? I know the game every bit as good as you. You don't give a national award to a coach who lost six games. Good for them, they got hot. The guy is a great coach! That said, the other guy was coaching a national power and number one in the country when they voted on the award. Your guy might be a better coach but you don't even belong in a game like that when you lose six games. That's absolutely ludicrous. Finally, you don't know jack about their kicking situation. Maybe they were struggling and they felt better about going for it. I know you know better.
 
Glad you added the 'honestly'. Your point wouldn't have made any sense without it.

So you're just going to ignore the type of deck he was working with and the midseason adjustments that were made as if that doesn't matter at all?

Not only did Del Oro not have elite level speed and talent like Centennial, most every Del Oro fan will tell you that this wasn't even one of their better teams. They overcame a terrible start and overachieved like no other.

Most any coach worth his weight could have went 15-1 with Centennial's talent, and some would have managed to beat DLS and go 16-0 because they would have actually taken points and kicked FG's when they were available.

Your comment really shows a lack of understanding.

The constant talk of CC winning the game if they went for the 3 Fg when given the chance, means nothing more than a difference on the final scoreboard, but had CC gone for those Fg's and the score being different, could have also led to different play calling by the Spartans and no telling what would have happened, my point is that still doesn't guarantee a win by CC. You would have to assume DLS had no opportunity to get more points themselves.

Basically it's the age old argument of, Should of, could of, would of. Everyone chastises the DLS fans for doing that in their loss to ET, but fact remains they failed to get it done.

Not harping on you TR, but their has been alot of chatter of this fact and everyone seems to assume if they went for the FG'S than CC would have won.

I just find it amusing how many SoCal posters and posters on the national board will use these types of arguments when it benefits their agenda, but as soon as DLS guys use these types of arguments, they get persecuted.

Other than that one little line in your post (lol),


I completely agree Taylor did wonders for Del Oro and has for years. Would love to see what he could do with CC type talent on his team. Definitely deserves COTY in my book
 
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[QUOTE="ThunderRam, post: 88319, member: 960

Most any coach worth his weight could have went 15-1 with Centennial's talent, and some would have managed to beat DLS and go 16-0 because they would have actually taken points and kicked FG's when they were available.

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Wow that is waaaay off. Most any coach would have won 15 games w CC talent? Odd comment from you in that you understand the impact Taylor has on DO success. Either you belive coaches make big impacts or you don't. Can't have it both ways.

The FG comment was soundly refuted above but I must add that CC scored a TD going for it on fourth down too. To be consistent, that must be factored in.
 
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Casey Taylor should get a pat on the back for his aggressive scheduling year in and year out. I'd wager that no public school in the country seeks out the games they do with the talent they have, which is really good but not elite. It was an incredible season for DO after their 2-6 start but they did loose 6 games in the end. The new state format gave them an opportunity they won't have never had to be a state champion. It seems like the USA today coach of the year award was predetermined before the state game. Their are plenty of coaches on plenty of states who could have been considered. Even in the SJS I'd take Central Catholic's coach Canepa over Casey, as much as I respect what he does with the DO program
 
Wow that is waaaay off. Most any coach would have won 15 games w CC talent? Odd comment from you in that you understand the impact Taylor has on DO success. Either you belive coaches make big impacts or you don't. Can't have it both ways.

No, it's not way off. The fact that you don't understand that speaks volumes to me. You give any good coach blue chip talent like JJ Taylor and Javon McKinley, along with an exceptionally large roster of talent like CC has and they would achieve the same if not better. Hell, Raul Lara was often criticized for not being the brightest bulb in the box yet look how POLY did under his tenure -- largely because of the talent disparity.

The North has a winning record in the Open and D1 games because they've had better coaching than the South -- not better talent.

You guys can argue all you want, but what Casey Taylor accomplished with Del Oro this season was much tougher to pull off than what Logan did with CC.

The FG comment was soundly refuted above but I must add that CC scored a TD going for it on fourth down too. To be consistent, that must be factored in.

Wrong again. Believe what you want, but when playing an evenly matched game -- ie. when talent is similar -- the margin for error is so slim that forgoing several short FG attempts could have and probably did make the difference. That's why in D1 and the NFL, you see the coaches make more conservative calls -- because the talent on the field is so similar and the games typically so close that forgoing points might lose the game. When facing a defense like DLS, you can't afford to come up empty so many times. So they scored once -- big deal. They came up empty at least 3 times using the same strategy. In short, they came up with fewer points than they likely would have scored had they kicked in each and every situation which then put less pressure on DLS as a result.

Regardless, just because you happen to disagree for whatever reason doesn't at all mean anything was soundly refuted. There a quite a few people that agree with me so it's certainly a valid debate. Like any game, we have no idea what would have transpired had they elected to kick FG's or how the game would have unfolded differently as a result. All I'm saying is that in such an evenly matched game against a stellar defense, your odds are maximized by electing to try FG's in those situations.
 
Even in the SJS I'd take Central Catholic's coach Canepa over Casey, as much as I respect what he does with the DO program

Just curious what your reasoning is.

As good a coach as Canepa is, when has he ever won a Section, NorCal, or State title with an inferior team?

Taylor does more with less than any coach I've ever seen not named Ladouceur.
 
Just curious what your reasoning is.

As good a coach as Canepa is, when has he ever won a Section, NorCal, or State title with an inferior team?

Taylor does more with less than any coach I've ever seen not named Ladouceur.
The reasoning is quite simple. They went 16-0, won state, won the NorCal small school open championship, won section, won league in a league where there was another state champ, Sierra which they beat 51-0. Del Oro was a nice story this year and I admire what they did. I'd hardly say they had a inferior team...
 
They both do good work. Logan has a better record and coached successfully for a long time down there...that shouldn't make a difference but it does. Btw kicking a field goal in high school is never a gimme. Ask Brian New.
 
No, it's not way off. The fact that you don't understand that speaks volumes to me. You give any good coach blue chip talent like JJ Taylor and Javon McKinley, along with an exceptionally large roster of talent like CC has and they would achieve the same if not better. Hell, Raul Lara was often criticized for not being the brightest bulb in the box yet look how POLY did under his tenure -- largely because of the talent disparity.

The North has a winning record in the Open and D1 games because they've had better coaching than the South -- not better talent.

You guys can argue all you want, but what Casey Taylor accomplished with Del Oro this season was much tougher to pull off than what Logan did with CC.



Wrong again. Believe what you want, but when playing an evenly matched game -- ie. when talent is similar -- the margin for error is so slim that forgoing several short FG attempts could have and probably did make the difference. That's why in D1 and the NFL, you see the coaches make more conservative calls -- because the talent on the field is so similar and the games typically so close that forgoing points might lose the game. When facing a defense like DLS, you can't afford to come up empty so many times. So they scored once -- big deal. They came up empty at least 3 times using the same strategy. In short, they came up with fewer points than they likely would have scored had they kicked in each and every situation which then put less pressure on DLS as a result.

Regardless, just because you happen to disagree for whatever reason doesn't at all mean anything was soundly refuted. There a quite a few people that agree with me so it's certainly a valid debate. Like any game, we have no idea what would have transpired had they elected to kick FG's or how the game would have unfolded differently as a result. All I'm saying is that in such an evenly matched game against a stellar defense, your odds are maximized by electing to try FG's in those situations.

You amended your statement from most any coach worth his weight to any good coach- that is a distinction you made in hindsight and For good reason.

Raul Lara did not get enough credit, as I predicted, upon his departure. Poly fans have got to be awfully close to wishing for a Raul reunion- Poly is not as well coached as under Raul and they certainly have not come close to achieving what Lara did. This roll out the ball and watch the talent win is not backed with any evidence. Especially in football which is the most team sensitive game of all sports. Lara was not what I would classify as great but he was much better than most have stated. The proof is in the results.

Anyone who would count a FG as automatic in HS shouldn't be lecturing anyone else. I can't think of a more uncertain play than a HS FG attempt. Yet, you have the CC kid making 3 attempts, one of which would have been from 43 yards out. You further your logic by not comprehending that if you take a TD off the board and instead add a FG you just lost 4 points.

No offense, but I feel in better company with a coach with Logan's track record than agreeing with a bunch of board hacks ( which I include myself).
 
Just curious what your reasoning is.

As good a coach as Canepa is, when has he ever won a Section, NorCal, or State title with an inferior team?

Taylor does more with less than any coach I've ever seen not named Ladouceur.

After seeing Canepa for years as a coach, my gut says I would go with the old Central coach Glines, before him, but for this discussion, definitely like Taylor.

Also, TR, I'm glad you at least conceded the outcome of the DLS/ CC game would be uncertain given the 3 FG attempts over going for it on 4th.

Those that agree CC would have won if they went for the FG'S is the Should have, Could have, Would have bunch. Please TR, your much too objective to fall into that catagory, so please don't start now. ;)
 
Interesting that Almbaugh of DLS now 2-0 vs.Matt Logan and DLS won the last two State Open Title Games. Maybe he should be coach of the year?
 
You amended your statement from most any coach worth his weight to any good coach- that is a distinction you made in hindsight and For good reason.

Raul Lara did not get enough credit, as I predicted, upon his departure. Poly fans have got to be awfully close to wishing for a Raul reunion- Poly is not as well coached as under Raul and they certainly have not come close to achieving what Lara did. This roll out the ball and watch the talent win is not backed with any evidence. Especially in football which is the most team sensitive game of all sports. Lara was not what I would classify as great but he was much better than most have stated. The proof is in the results.

Anyone who would count a FG as automatic in HS shouldn't be lecturing anyone else. I can't think of a more uncertain play than a HS FG attempt. Yet, you have the CC kid making 3 attempts, one of which would have been from 43 yards out. You further your logic by not comprehending that if you take a TD off the board and instead add a FG you just lost 4 points.

No offense, but I feel in better company with a coach with Logan's track record than agreeing with a bunch of board hacks ( which I include myself).
I'm a hack? Lol
if you are who I think you are, you are def not a hack.
 
You amended your statement from most any coach worth his weight to any good coach- that is a distinction you made in hindsight and For good reason.

Raul Lara did not get enough credit, as I predicted, upon his departure. Poly fans have got to be awfully close to wishing for a Raul reunion- Poly is not as well coached as under Raul and they certainly have not come close to achieving what Lara did. This roll out the ball and watch the talent win is not backed with any evidence. Especially in football which is the most team sensitive game of all sports. Lara was not what I would classify as great but he was much better than most have stated. The proof is in the results.

Anyone who would count a FG as automatic in HS shouldn't be lecturing anyone else. I can't think of a more uncertain play than a HS FG attempt. Yet, you have the CC kid making 3 attempts, one of which would have been from 43 yards out. You further your logic by not comprehending that if you take a TD off the board and instead add a FG you just lost 4 points.

No offense, but I feel in better company with a coach with Logan's track record than agreeing with a bunch of board hacks ( which I include myself).
Lara was a caretaker and not a great coach. The talent he had was vastly, vastly superior to what it is now.
 
Lara was a caretaker and not a great coach. The talent he had was vastly, vastly superior to what it is now.

I dont believe you can prove your talent claim.

Bottom line is, Lara won 4 Section titles (and another 1 or 2 runners up) in what is likely the best section playoff in the state.
 
I dont believe you can prove your talent claim.

Bottom line is, Lara won 4 Section titles (and another 1 or 2 runners up) in what is likely the best section playoff in the state.
BS if I can't. They had four NFL players (Justice, Manuel, Lewis, and Bing) along with a stud RB in Hershel Dennis along with 8-10 other seniors who played college ball when they played DLS. Most talented team I've seen in 40 plus years of watching, coaching, etc. Btw, that doesn't even count the vast talent in the sophomore and junior classes there. NOBODY has ever had that much talent- period.
 
BS if I can't. They had four NFL players (Justice, Manuel, Lewis, and Bing) along with a stud RB in Hershel Dennis along with 8-10 other seniors who played college ball when they played DLS. Most talented team I've seen in 40 plus years of watching, coaching, etc. Btw, that doesn't even count the vast talent in the sophomore and junior classes there. NOBODY has ever had that much talent- period.

I figured you would bring up the 2001 Poly team. The PAC 5 was not established in 2001.

Maybe re read thread and put some thought into your vastly, vastly proclamation. If you did just a little research you would find Poly under Lara and Poly under Pierce are similar in regards to talent thus debunking your caretaker claim. As stated, you don't have the facts on your side.
 
Always curious why it matters to name a COTY - there are many remarkable coaches, some far superior than those who win it all! So much is lost in translation when naming a COTY. Perhaps it was always to sell papers and now increase web traffic!
 
Hmmmm...The OP former Spartan dissing a coach (Lad says report to OO for gassers.) Now a former dLS dad, saying he's coached, dissing one of his kids' school biggest supporters.
A public consistently matching up with the machine is laudable. Embrace it...
 
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Something that might help here: Matt Logan invented this particular version of the offense. From linesplits to mesh points to the plays he wanted to run (very limited) to formations. He has been asked to speak all over the country and has turned down offers to be offensive coordinator on the collegiate level. He gets his players to play hard and effectively. Coaches call to pick his brain and try to implement his concepts. He is a legit choice
 
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Hmmmm...The OP former Spartan dissing a coach (Lad says report to OO for gassers.) Now a former dLS dad, saying he's coached, dissing one of his kids' school biggest supporters.
A public consistently matching up with the machine is laudable. Embrace it...

Not dissing him at all. By your post you would make the assumption that I think the DLS coach should get COTY, I don't.

I think Logan is a great coach who has done wonders at Centennial. I applaud him for turning his defense around this year. He has always schemed games very well and it shows by how well his team has done over the past few years. Many teams come and go (Folsom, Grant) but Centennial has had staying power at the top. Only a good coach can achieve that.

I just question this choice. Logan made some very questionable decisions in the SBG; maybe because he was in a situation he was not too familiar with. He seems to not be able to adjust when his game plan isn't working. IT seemed that he let his ego get in the way too much.

I think there are other coaches who do much more with much less talent, who would be more deserving; look at Central Catholic for a great example. I am sure there are many other examples of coaches turning around struggling programs who deserve it more; not someone who does well with exceptional talent.
 
Not dissing him at all. By your post you would make the assumption that I think the DLS coach should get COTY, I don't.

I think Logan is a great coach who has done wonders at Centennial. I applaud him for turning his defense around this year. He has always schemed games very well and it shows by how well his team has done over the past few years. Many teams come and go (Folsom, Grant) but Centennial has had staying power at the top. Only a good coach can achieve that.

I just question this choice. Logan made some very questionable decisions in the SBG; maybe because he was in a situation he was not too familiar with. He seems to not be able to adjust when his game plan isn't working. IT seemed that he let his ego get in the way too much.

I think there are other coaches who do much more with much less talent, who would be more deserving; look at Central Catholic for a great example. I am sure there are many other examples of coaches turning around struggling programs who deserve it more; not someone who does well with exceptional talent.

Not sure I agree with the bolded part of this post. I've watched Canepa coached teams for years and he had a losing record against the team I've been following for years when he was at Calaveras, but once he took over for Glines at CC, he inherited a team that traditionally is loaded with talent and he than was able to turn that losing record against my team into a winning record.

Not saying Canepa isn't a good successful coach, but like Logan, he has talent on his team's year after year and of course if your a decent coach you should be able to do well with the talent. Taylor on the other hand works with less year after year when compared to Canepa or Logan.

Under Canepa, Calaveras was a yearly playoff team, but usually fell short when it came to section title's. Canepa didn't get the titles, notoriety and acclaim he now receives until he took over at CC.

So did he automatically become a better coach, or did he inherit alot of Talent and had enough skill as a coach to keep the already intact tradition alive that was started by Glines. Personally, I like Glines better as he established CC much like Ladouceur did with DLS.

With all this said, this is why I agree with TR when saying coaches like Taylor from Del Oro are probably better examples of what an excellent coach can do with less and are probably more deserving of COTY type awards.

Despite what some say regarding his 6 early season losses. If anything, the 6 losses only shows how much he was able to accomplish with a team that started out with less and is a testament to Taylors coaching, thereby making him a more deserving candidate for COTY
 
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