The play where DLS went for two with little time left with under a minute in the game seemed over the top. Thoughts?
Was DLS going for 2 with game in hand over the top?
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Due to the demographic of fans mostly residing in the Bay Area, you will get a lot of "no's."
Now, if it was Folsom. You would have everyone on here crucifying them.
Just kind of shows you that what is ok for one team, is not ok for another, depending on who you talk to.
My answer would be the same for both, since I always look at things objectively. I would say that going for 2 with the game in hand was just fine. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
This post was edited on 12/21 1:15 PM by G61
Now, if it was Folsom. You would have everyone on here crucifying them.
Just kind of shows you that what is ok for one team, is not ok for another, depending on who you talk to.
My answer would be the same for both, since I always look at things objectively. I would say that going for 2 with the game in hand was just fine. It was the STATE CHAMPIONSHIP GAME.
This post was edited on 12/21 1:15 PM by G61
I was surprised yes, they could've taken the XP, but given the rate at which the teams were scoring...idk.
That Centennial team proved they could score in 2 plays and about 30 seconds. a 21 point lead was safer at that point than a 20 point lead. If it was 41 or 42 point lead, I'd put it in a different category.
They were running the clock down and scored with their 3rd string QB. It wasn't like they scored on a 40 yard bomb
They were running the clock down and scored with their 3rd string QB. It wasn't like they scored on a 40 yard bomb
In reading your many posts, it sounds like you are new to high school football and have no real understanding of the relative teams. DLS and Folsom is pretty straight forward, with little changing in the relative strengths this year from the last two years to cause someone to think Folsom could beat DLS.
G61; just curious; are you about 19 years old and just learning how to post on a sports website?
G61; just curious; are you about 19 years old and just learning how to post on a sports website?
DLS was going for style points for the best MOV in their hope to be crowned MNC. While I am a Folsom supporter, I am not blind. If Folsom had DB's with speed it would be closer. Folsom still should be very proud of their achievement the last 3 years. I feel that the MNC this year is Allen of Texas with 2nd place going to DLS:
1) Allen
2) DLS
3) Colquitt
4) Folsom
5) Centennial
6) Gorman
7) St. Eds
This post was edited on 12/21 5:51 PM by jimmyzr1
1) Allen
2) DLS
3) Colquitt
4) Folsom
5) Centennial
6) Gorman
7) St. Eds
This post was edited on 12/21 5:51 PM by jimmyzr1
Exactly Golfpilot. Asiasi's score was instinct. That should not even be up for debate. They were running down the clock. And viola! A TD was scored.
Now the two point conversion, I see it like this. DLS had just gotten the turnover on a long run by Centennial. Had they not fumbled then scored they would have been at 55-49. Mucho props to CC. They are that dangerous.
Now the two point conversion, I see it like this. DLS had just gotten the turnover on a long run by Centennial. Had they not fumbled then scored they would have been at 55-49. Mucho props to CC. They are that dangerous.
I am a Norcal fan, but I have to say going for 2 was arrogant. Nothing against DLS but, if you want to earn respect then EARN RESPECT, numbers on a score board does not earn it (especially when you know you are going to win)...but HUMILITY does...Somehow this has got lost for self gratification, unfortunately some coaches these days wan't to go for records, not only for themselves but for the kids playing the game...What happened to playing as a team and not just for self gratification....COACHES STEP UP...IT IS YOUR JOB TO TEACH THESE KIDS SOMETHING MORE THAN NUMBERS.
I'll take the other side of this and say no, it wasn't over the top but it was very cautious. Centennial had already taken one kickoff back for TD and are clearly a quick strike offense. It isn't inconceivable to see that game become a six point game with 20-30 seconds left.
You can make a legitimate argument on both sides though
You can make a legitimate argument on both sides though
I was at the game and the feel was that they had to make that two point conversion. This game was not a blowout and Centennial very well could have ran one back, and scored on two on sides all within 2 minutes. Sure the odds were very low but they weren't unrealistic. How stupid would dls have looked had centennial marched down there scored 3 and won by a point. The game was not over yet.
I'd say you should quit while you're ahead, but that ship sailed a couple hundred posts ago.Originally posted by G61:
This is all so funny to me.
After the Folsom game, someone actually got on here and said Folsom was "not classy" because they ran a double reverse pass in the FIRST HALF, up 2 touchdowns!!!
Some people are amazing
Never said anything about Folsom not being classy, I said it was a dick move.
And they were up 4 touchdowns, not 2.
C- effort.
Glory, I'm not a fan of G61, as he's obviously an instigator. But he's got some truth working here. Folsom's Double reverse in the 2nd quarter was a dick move according to you? But DLS going for 2 with 1:30 to play, up 20 wasn't? You can't have it both ways. Please remove those Green and Silver glasses and take a deep breath.Originally posted by GloryDays98:
I'd say you should quit while you're ahead, but that ship sailed a couple hundred posts ago.Originally posted by G61:
This is all so funny to me.
After the Folsom game, someone actually got on here and said Folsom was "not classy" because they ran a double reverse pass in the FIRST HALF, up 2 touchdowns!!!
Some people are amazing
Never said anything about Folsom not being classy, I said it was a dick move.
And they were up 4 touchdowns, not 2.
C- effort.
I don't have an issue with the TD or 2 point conversion -- that's really getting nitty gritty IMHO to start calling out such minor stuff as unsporting
That said, since it was a 13 point margin at the time, I was sorta hoping.....
Definitely not saying I'm right or with the majority on either of my stances. Just my way of seeing things.Originally posted by DLSPop1314:
I don't have an issue with the TD or 2 point conversion -- that's really getting nitty gritty IMHO to start calling out such minor stuff as unsporting
That said, since it was a 13 point margin at the time, I was sorta hoping.....
I sure thought you were looking good when Asiasi was under center though.
I would agree, it wasn't necessary but on the other hand, DLS had many second and third team guys on the field and they now have the knowledge they can convert for two if put in that situation next year. It's about building for next year at that point and not breaking records with 11seniors who according to G and a few others weren't men enough to want the guys that backed them up all year to get a chance to play in the state championships.
Now personally I don't believe that of the players because I raised one succeeding at the next level and athletes who succeed at the level Folsom did this year aren't that selfish, just the adults around them are.
Now personally I don't believe that of the players because I raised one succeeding at the next level and athletes who succeed at the level Folsom did this year aren't that selfish, just the adults around them are.
You guys are just silly. Until the opposition is mathematically (completely no chance of winning) beaten you put them away. Folsom runs up the score every week against every opponent. They are a great team, no doubt. It's as if they have some kind of identity problem - where they have to prove that they are not four TD's better than you. They are seven TD's better and are compelled to show it.
I think they could have gone either way with a single PAT or a two-pointer since DLS clearly took the game's momentum in the fourth quarter. With the way that shootout was going, I don't think going for two was over the top at all. Now if it were a 55-0 rout at the time, then it's a different issue.
Look no further than Coach Macy at Campolindo. He has taught his kids how to win and then after the game be humble and classy enough to give credit and compassion to his opponent first. I didn't notice any other coach on any of those other winners this week do that. Classy in game decisions comes from the coaching staffs not the kids. DLS, Folsom, and Central Catholic congrats on bringing Nor Cal the state championships this year but to me Campolindo was the one team that stood out both on and off the field!!!!!!! For us North Staters this weekend went about as well as we could have hoped for.
DLS should have gone for 2. Did you see how explosive CC was!? They were scoring TD's in 30 seconds, in the first half. It is football, you play the game to WIN! Crazy concept huh?
A double reverse pass up 8 million TD's in the second half would have been a bit over the top, I agree. But, in the FIRST HALF!?? C'mon man!!! In high school, halftime adjustments can lead to tons of unanswered points.
My point was to simply bring out the obvious bias. There are people on here that will say some things are ok for some teams to do, but not ok when others do them.
Let's be fair to all teams and remain objective. Crazy concept, I know
A double reverse pass up 8 million TD's in the second half would have been a bit over the top, I agree. But, in the FIRST HALF!?? C'mon man!!! In high school, halftime adjustments can lead to tons of unanswered points.
My point was to simply bring out the obvious bias. There are people on here that will say some things are ok for some teams to do, but not ok when others do them.
Let's be fair to all teams and remain objective. Crazy concept, I know
Deal.Originally posted by G61:
Let's be fair to all teams and remain objective. Crazy concept, I know
When do you start following that advice?
If you look at my posts, I am very objective. Just because you disagree with my opinion about Folsom being the best, does not mean I am not entitled to my opinion.
You can still have an opinion and remain objective
Let's keep the same objectiveness and "rules" for all teams.
You can still have an opinion and remain objective
Let's keep the same objectiveness and "rules" for all teams.
My thought, no matter what the score you should play all out. The only difference is you play
with second and third stringers.
Reasoning: The backups on both teams practice hard all week and then aren't allowed
to play hard because it's a blowout. Treat it like a fifth quarter that they do for the Freshmen.
I'm even against taking a knee, that could be the only chance some third string Sr. ever gets to score.
with second and third stringers.
Reasoning: The backups on both teams practice hard all week and then aren't allowed
to play hard because it's a blowout. Treat it like a fifth quarter that they do for the Freshmen.
I'm even against taking a knee, that could be the only chance some third string Sr. ever gets to score.
Don't worry about it bud, I doubt you'd understand.
Congrats again on 16 straight running clocks and the state scoring record....
