FBAddict said:

I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

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even if true that is not/will not be the case this year. the tri river champ will be in nor cal permanently now

MOlST AND PLUMP said:

your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

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I guess I wasn't clear enough - Tri-River teams have gone to SoCal too over the history of the RBG games - namely Clovis North.

He was hyped for sure in that day. Not in today's social media world. McClymond's and Oakland Tech knew who he was. He played great at our HH Tourney. Bobby Cole had watched him in slam n jam.

FBAddict said:

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not came from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

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your not quite interpreting things correctly. the way it goes is that when a team from tri river league qualifies for regionals they play in norcal. if bakers field team wins its 5050 which regional they play in. this year the central section champ will come from tri river league because bakers field is way down. their four the tri river champ will be in nor cal. their four tri river is ostensibly a de fact o nor cal league this year.

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Yes

You might want to reconsider the inclusion of Tri-River in the NorCal discussion.in that case.

A quick review shows that the majority of RBG games for the top position in the CS section did not come from the Tri-River league. And out of the 11 years we have had the RBG games, the CS section won only 1 years for the RBG top position, 2 wins if you count 1A division in the mix..

The CS top team has gone to SoCal three times. One of those years (2022) the CS team won SBG against an NorCal opponent, again in the lower 1A division.

Only two teams have represented the Tri-River league in NorCal RBG top division - Central-Fresno and Clovis North.

smmustanggirlhoops said:

Yep. Novato

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got it I’ll ask around

LecheDeMiPalo said:

Can’t say we didn’t see this one coming..

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a year and a half in and its not looking good so far. this program is really struggling.

any truth to the rumors about murphy making a comeback somewhere in the area?

colhenrylives said:

Wilcox is a problem.

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wilcox are what they always are. a scrappy team with tough kids, there coaches are experienced good people who run a quality program, on the field they run the veer but there execution is never great and teams that have seen the veer before and can execute a gameplan usually pull away in the second half. if they could figure out how to incorporate the forward pass into there offense they would be on to something in years where they have speed.

MOlST AND PLUMP said:

los gatos has a good team this year but they have played nobody in preseason and I think that will show when the chips are on the table against vs. menlo and atherton. that game is the de facto league championship but menlo and atherton are the clear favorites

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Wilcox is a problem.

kiddman32 said:

I wasn't living here at the time Dame Lillard was playing HS ball... How much local hype was going on around Dame at the time?

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very little. not a lot of people knew who he was (despite him being a good player) and the teams he played on weren't that good.

MOlST AND PLUMP said:

the chatter comes from the fact that carr is the most surefire nba star point guard to come out of the bay area sense jason kidd. redwood is a shoe in to win ncs d2 this year and should win state depending on match ups in regionals and state

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I wasn't living here at the time Dame Lillard was playing HS ball... How much local hype was going on around Dame at the time?

colhenrylives said:

Some notes after Week 3: Mitty shut out M-A last week; unbeaten Los Gatos is the heavy favorite to win the PAL Bay Division title in 2024. M-A is expected to vie with Wilcox for second place. M-A should be favored in its remaining league games vs. Paly, Menlo School and SHP.

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los gatos has a good team this year but they have played nobody in preseason and I think that will show when the chips are on the table against vs. menlo and atherton. that game is the de facto league championship but menlo and atherton are the clear favorites

FBAddict said:

It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

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tri river is in the discussion because it is ostensibly a nor cal league. that is an apple to apple comparison.

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trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

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It is relevant in the sense that it adds perspective to the total landscape of leagues across the nation and California. It shows:
1. How far NorCal's best is below the best in CA and the nation's best.
2. The league team that the NorCal's best will match up with the best league team from SoCal in the eventual and inevitable SBG-Open game.

We really need to add this discussion because you included Tri-River in the mix that will likely only happen in RGB and SBG games.

MOlST AND PLUMP said:

where is your school located? is it the same san marin that has the good football team?

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Yep. Novato

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Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

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trinity league has nothing to do with this discussion this is about the top leagues in nor cal.

to your main point though. even if you were to conveniently leave out davis and whitney to try and make sierra foothill look better, for this specific season tri river is still better. if they were to have a league vs league matchup look how it would go

folsom vs clovis east yes folsom wins but game is likely close

clovis north vs rockin clovis north wins

granite bay vs clovis is 50/50 toss up

central vs oak ridge central wins RUNNING CLOCK

buchanan vs jesuit buchanan wins RUNNING CLOCK

clovis west vs del oro clovis west wins RUNNING CLOCK


so even in that scenario it’s either 5-1 or 4-2 in favor of tri river with three of there wins in the running clock variety.

again this is only for this year almost any other year the story would be different including next year when sierra foothill bounces back from this down year

MOlST AND PLUMP said:

here are the top 5 leagues in nor cal currently

1 tri river (central section - but champ always plays in nor cal play off)
2 west catholic
3 sierra foothill
4 east bay mountain
5 redwood empire upper division

honorable mention

6 tri city (sac joaquin)
7 diablo athletic upper division
8 valley oak

thoughts?

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Calpreps ratings doesn't agree... Additionally, there has been a fundamental shift for Sierra Foothill by adding two more schools to its league this year. More schools in a league will typically bring down the average strength for leagues - especially top leagues.

Calpreps ratings 2024 YTD
1. Tri River - 6 teams
2. East Bay - Mountain - 5 teams
3. West Catholic - 8 teams
4. Sierra Foothill - 8 teams
5. Redwood Empire - Adobe - 6 teams

By contrast, SS section's Trinity is significantly stronger with 6 teams. In fact, Trinity is the strongest league, by far, in the nation right now as rated by Calprpes. Tri-River shows up as # 19 in the nation.

iamgearyblvd said:

They finally cracked a nut last year and won CCS Open. In theory their next step should be winning NorCals and play in state final game whether thats in Open or D1.

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D1? If they aren’t playing Open in NorCals this year with this roster, it would be a huge disappointment. The “next step” is definitely winning Open or bust.

2028 Jack Loevner 6-4 Archbishop Riordan

Norcal Class of '28 looks good - Dre Carter 6-3 Guard Archbishop Riordan