Arizona cancels winter sports

[ClayK]

I believe CIF will make a decision of some sort Jan. 25. My guess? Outdoor spring sports are permitted but basketball is either cancelled outright or the decision is kicked further down the road.

The really interesting decision is what to do with football ...

 

[Streak One]

Agree on all points Clay. Indoor sports have almost no chance of being played. Outdoor sports have a narrow path of getting played.

 

[GBBall4L]

Let's just hope it can be figured out for the kids. 🙏🏿

 

[Norcal_Fan]

I believe that if any sports are goin to happen, there will be no playoffs and just league play. I think the season would be 4-6 weeks long and just playing league opponents. I think it's better than nothing.

What sucks? AAU has not issues a no play. Notice how they've been silent this whole time, not taking a stance?

 

[ClayK]

There's a lot money being made in AAU events, in all sports.

 

[dvez24]

i personally saw high school basketball in Texas. basketball inside can be done. it can be done. I think with no fans and if you cut down the post season play then it can still happen. everyone had on masks including the refs. when the ref went to report the foul he would lower the mask. the scorers table was masked. the coaches and bench players were mask. there is no way we should cancel hoops. but if CIF said spring was the only season to commence then i would understand since there season was cut short last year.

 

[Norcal_Fan]

There's a lot money being made in AAU events, in all sports.

I get that but the NCAA, Pro teams all have protocols to protect fans and players. Why hasn't AAU done anything about it?

 

[personalogic]

I get that but the NCAA, Pro teams all have protocols to protect fans and players. Why hasn't AAU done anything about it?

AAU has no enforcement mechanism except (marginally) in relation to its hosted national events. While "a lot of money" may be made in connection with AAU events, it's still not nearly enough to create, monitor, and enforce pandemic protocols.

 

[Norcal_Fan]

AAU has no enforcement mechanism except (marginally) in relation to its hosted national events. While "a lot of money" may be made in connection with AAU events, it's still not nearly enough to create, monitor, and enforce pandemic protocols.

Couldn't AAU tell all the team to stop hosting and if not, they could lose their AAU status?

 

[personalogic]

Couldn't AAU tell all the team to stop hosting and if not, they could lose their AAU status?

AAU could establish protocols, but they don't have the money or personnel to enforce compliance. And if they tried, the tournament operators could simply hold unsanctioned tournaments (which they do a lot already). AAU is a very threadbare organization. They can't even enforce uniform rules about how games are played and who is eligible except for the regional and national championship tournaments.

 

[letsski]

Arizona just reversed this decision and will allow winter sports to be played.

 

[fan1gbball]

Play ball: AIA Executive Board reverses decision, high school winter sports season back on

The Arizona Interscholastic Association Executive Board regrouped four days after voting 5-4 to cancel winter sports seasons.

www.azcentral.com

If AZ and all the other states playing can create protocols to enable a season for their high school athletes. Why can't the CIF and the state of CA do the same.

Come on Man!!!!

 

[ankleassassin]

Play ball: AIA Executive Board reverses decision, high school winter sports season back on

The Arizona Interscholastic Association Executive Board regrouped four days after voting 5-4 to cancel winter sports seasons.

www.azcentral.com

If AZ and all the other states playing can create protocols to enable a season for their high school athletes. Why can't the CIF and the state of CA do the same.

Come on Man!!!!

Population for Arizona= 7.2
Population for the greater bay area= 7.7

How did you do in Psych 5 in college?

 

[short17]

I doubt that public schools districts will allow sports until school resumes in person school.

 

[fan1gbball]

Population for Arizona= 7.2
Population for the greater bay area= 7.7

How did you do in Psych 5 in college?

Punishing the masses to protect a few is not how this society should work. What about the implications of this decision on the whole?

We should have created protocols that protected the ones in the high risk categories and imited their movements instead of limiting the entire population's....not having a high school season for our athletes, especially those that are seniors whose athletic careers will end when they graduate high school, is not fair to these kids. It is even harder for them when they log into their social media accounts and see other high school athletes all over the country playing the very sports that CA says they cannot.

The question you and everyone elso on this forum should be asking is what can we do to help our high school athletes return to normalcy and then do something. Geeez!
By the Way, I was a Math major and didnt care about Psych 5, actually I did't take the course!

 

[ClayK]

So I'm 72 -- I go into lockup while you young folks live your normal life?

 

[ClayK]

From the Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/articles/arizon...-brink-of-crisis-11610719203?mod=hp_lead_pos7

And high school sports are OK? Just a strange decision, given the circumstances.

 

[fan1gbball]

So are you saying these kids are suppose to be locked down because you are 72? Because you are 72 you are probably at a higher risk factor than a 14-18 year old athlete. (Obviously there are many other contributors to the risk factors)

You experienced your high school years. If you were an athlete, you gathered your memories and are able to reflect upon them. What are these kids going to have..."I was locked down and never got my senior year...? Think about them and not just you. because your comment says you are thinking about you and not them right now.

If other states are trying to find a since of normalcy for their student athletes, why can't we? If other states are open and functioning, why can't we find a way (or attemp to find a way) to do the same?

 

[kbrizzzle]

I don't think that is what Clay is trying to say. Its safe to say that we all miss basketball, sports and to be honest from a more broad perspective, normalcy. With that said, I disagree with a quick return to playing. Though I hate it, I'm glad CIF is not rushing back to the playing any sports. I know from their standpoint, its more about liability, but overall player safety is fueling their actions as well.

Fact is, this disease is extremely young, and politicization has led to an inconsistent approach to handling the pandemic and not nearly enough information is available to us in the public. What we do know is that this disease has killed over 405,000 Americans and over 2 million worldwide...IN LESS THAN A YEAR!! And 2 more contagious variants of the covid virus has now shown up in California.

What happens when a player is exposed and becomes infected and lives with someone with an underlying condition that would leave them more susceptible to COVID complications? Or a player who doesn't know they have underlying conditions? What do we do about that or when that happens?

I won't assume that all saw what happened to Keyontae Johnson from Florida, but I did and that sh*t scared the hell outta me. He had COVID in the summer, but prior to that was healthy with no underlying conditions. He is 21 years old. 6 months later he falls out during a game and they later learn he has heart inflammation. Data coming out shows most who were hospitalized with covid are suffering from myocarditis (heart inflammation) or cardiac injury. Others with lung problems, loss of smell and taste. Those who "recover" are still in bad shape. So are we saying that we're willing to expose our players, coaches, fans and their families to this? We're ok with this?!?!? That would leave the CIF and schools susceptible to liability at the very least.

Once there is more data and information about the disease, and there is consistent info regarding vaccinations (initial vaccination deployment has been a joke), and a clear path to being safe, then yes, lets get back to playing sports. I miss it, I really do, and we have kids on our teams who are missing college opportunities and more importantly the high school experience. But we aren't ready to play yet.

BTW, I was in Arizona. Covid is out of control there. There was little mask wearing (its not mandated) and no real social distancing. That is not the model to which we should be comparing anything. They aren't an example of doing anything right.

 

[fan1gbball]

https://www.nfhs.org/media/4295059/nfhs-winter-sports-season-status-breakdown.pdf

I understand what you are saying, but 30 states are playing basketball right now. If the entire country was shutdown, I would tend to agree, but if 60% of the states are finding a way for players to play (some with modifications) then, why aren't we doing the same for our athletes!!!

 

[WivitBear]

Right now if you are in southern Cal or in the valley, you have no hospital capacity. 0%. So if you are playing a basketball game and get an injury, don't expect to get in a hospital. And if you are pregnant, hope you like home births.

Even here and at Sacramento, we have around 6 % left to fit in patients. The only place in California with over 20% in extreme Northern Cal.
Arizona is maybe the worst state in the USA. Vermont and Maine are the best.

Last, I'm not as worried about the students but the people they come in contact with. We actually own a preschool, and we have live students and it is a real chore. But our town has virtual learning for everyone else. How can you have athletics if your school is not open and leaking money?

 

[ClayK]

I feel the biggest priority is to put pressure on the teachers' unions -- which believe that teachers shouldn't go back to school even after all teachers and staff have been vaccinated -- so schools can re-open. It seems very odd to play sports but not have classes. That seems reversed to me ...

 

[PortCityCoach]

Right now if you are in southern Cal or in the valley, you have no hospital capacity. 0%. So if you are playing a basketball game and get an injury, don't expect to get in a hospital. And if you are pregnant, hope you like home births.

Even here and at Sacramento, we have around 6 % left to fit in patients. The only place in California with over 20% in extreme Northern Cal.
Arizona is maybe the worst state in the USA. Vermont and Maine are the best.

Last, I'm not as worried about the students but the people they come in contact with. We actually own a preschool, and we have live students and it is a real chore. But our town has virtual learning for everyone else. How can you have athletics if your school is not open and leaking money?

WivitBear - Funny, we own a home-based preschool as well, and it is conducted entirely outdoors under umbrellas and shade structures. I feel for you - it is a chore!

Our district has stated that their priority is figuring out a way to return students to campus safely and that sports are on the back burner. I don't believe our district is going to be letting us resume sports any time soon if students are not attending class in-person.

 

[ankleassassin]

Punishing the masses to protect a few is not how this society should work. What about the implications of this decision on the whole?

We should have created protocols that protected the ones in the high risk categories and imited their movements instead of limiting the entire population's....not having a high school season for our athletes, especially those that are seniors whose athletic careers will end when they graduate high school, is not fair to these kids. It is even harder for them when they log into their social media accounts and see other high school athletes all over the country playing the very sports that CA says they cannot.

The question you and everyone elso on this forum should be asking is what can we do to help our high school athletes return to normalcy and then do something. Geeez!
By the Way, I was a Math major and didnt care about Psych 5, actually I did't take the course!

Psych 5 was Stats where I went to school. I have no clue why they called it Psych. I assumed that was everywhere. Yet and still, your math background should still answer the question why Arizona is open and California is not.

 

[WivitBear]

WivitBear - Funny, we own a home-based preschool as well, and it is conducted entirely outdoors under umbrellas and shade structures. I feel for you - it is a chore!

Our district has stated that their priority is figuring out a way to return students to campus safely and that sports are on the back burner. I don't believe our district is going to be letting us resume sports any time soon if students are not attending class in-person.

Ours is indoors. And we have to follow licensing which states that we can't have more than 12 in a class with two teachers. Lots of sterilizations. Parents can't come into the school. In fact I'm not allowed in the school if class is going on. Normally I teach music but not this year.

My question about Arizona is why have they done the worst of any state in the nation with the Covid Crisis. Try Vermont or Maine since they have the best records.