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CDPH (finally) Releases Guidelines for Youth Sports

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May 19, 2020
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Never in a million years did I think I would say this.

But I think playing an OUTDOOR Basketball season this year, isn't that crazy an idea.

If they are going to hold those restrictions, even after vaccinations began today. Then I think playing outdoors for one season wouldn't kill anyone.
 
and what outdoor courts are the schools going to use? Have you seen the outdoor courts at the average public high school? You can’t play a competitive high school game with a pole inches from the court, a concrete court that has suffered years of neglect, April weather, which probably won’t cooperate, sun glare, wind and the higher probability of injury.
 
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ayalar09 said:
Never in a million years did I think I would say this.

But I think playing an OUTDOOR Basketball season this year, isn't that crazy an idea.

If they are going to hold those restrictions, even after vaccinations began today. Then I think playing outdoors for one season wouldn't kill anyone.
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You realize the national AAU circuit will be up and running by then. If California kids get screwed out of their high school season they will at least by playing club ball in spring.
 
This is exactly correct. We have (will have) multiple vaccines in play, I love how our "leadership" comes up with subjective color codes for all things COVID. Curious what the color code was at the hair salon in SF and at the French Laundry?? AAU/Club will step in if HS hoops isn't allowed - it's a shame but true....come spring the players will travel to where they can play. You'd hope by March/April that we have enough of the vaccine available to safely let the kids play. Then again, I have zero faith in the politicians in this state that make these decisions.
 
Run TMC said:
This is exactly correct. We have (will have) multiple vaccines in play, I love how our "leadership" comes up with subjective color codes for all things COVID. Curious what the color code was at the hair salon in SF and at the French Laundry?? AAU/Club will step in if HS hoops isn't allowed - it's a shame but true....come spring the players will travel to where they can play. You'd hope by March/April that we have enough of the vaccine available to safely let the kids play. Then again, I have zero faith in the politicians in this state that make these decisions.
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The funny thing about this board is the last 6 months everyone freaks out if there is an open gym in NorCal or an aau event or teams traveling out of state to play which has basically a zero affect on anything covid related but there is zero outrage at the governor and state has set up guidelines and tiers that are virtually impossible to meet for kids to play basketball.
 
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vukovich said:
The funny thing about this board is the last 6 months everyone freaks out if there is an open gym in NorCal or an aau event or teams traveling out of state to play which has basically a zero affect on anything covid related but there is zero outrage at the governor and state has set up guidelines and tiers that are virtually impossible to meet for kids to play basketball.
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zero?

www.kron4.com

Large COVID outbreak linked to Bay Area basketball program

A large COVID-19 outbreak in Santa Clara County is being traced back to youth basketball programs, the county announced Friday.
www.kron4.com www.kron4.com
 
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ankleassassin said:
zero?

www.kron4.com

Large COVID outbreak linked to Bay Area basketball program

A large COVID-19 outbreak in Santa Clara County is being traced back to youth basketball programs, the county announced Friday.
www.kron4.com www.kron4.com
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Yeah genius it’s a virus.... unless you keep you and your kids in the closet for 3 years you will be exposed to it and probably get it. It’s amazing that 70-75% of the country has already finished high school football and volleyball and is having a basketball season as we speak.
 
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vukovich said:
Yeah genius it’s a virus.... unless you keep you and your kids in the closet for 3 years you will be exposed to it and probably get it. It’s amazing that 70-75% of the country has already finished high school football and volleyball and is having a basketball season as we speak.
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but zero? so the individuals here do not count?
 
From the report:

"The guidance applies to all organized youth sports — including school- and community-sponsored programs, and privately-organized clubs and leagues — and adult recreational sports (hereafter youth and adult sports). This guidance does not apply to collegiate or professional sports."

The italicized part of the above sentence plus the fact that this is from the CDC, not the CIF, indicates to me that these rules will also apply to any AAU or rec league or other type of play.

That is the bad news for those (like me) hoping to see games this season.

The good news is: It's December and the tentative HS hoops season isn't until March sometime... And one vaccine is rolling out and another is apparently just about ready for approval. Maybe by the time a final CIF decision has to be made, enough progress toward that Yellow guideline will happen... Or maybe not.

Be diligent about wearing a mask and other precautions and be patient and hopeful. Not a lot else we can do.
 
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Meanwhile, during the lockdown I've been having a lot of fun watching recent NorCal stars play in college and a couple in the NBA.

And watching tons of high-school ball from other states, online.
 
Typical of California, it has set too strict regulations which have negative consequences. As a result smart companies and people are continually leaving (just in the last month or so we have lost HP, Oracle, Elon Musk, Stanford and SJSU Football, etc.). Unfortunately moving out to the state is not an option for CIF.

These guidelines seem to ignore that HS sports have been successfully played throughout most of the rest of the country without reported problems. They also seem to ignore that the younger and healthier people are the least impacted by the virus (It is far less dangerous than the flu) but have higher risk of depression, etc. These guidelines seem to ignore the arrival of the vaccines and if nothing else should acknowledge they will be re-evaluating periodically to take it into account.

As bad as our State Leadership is, the good news is the CIF seems to be fighting back and advocating for these guidelines to be made more reasonable by allowing all HS sports to be played in the Red Tier (see link below). You all should make sure that our ADs, principals, Sections and supportive members of the press are advocating loudly for a modification of these overly restrictive guidelines too. Note parents overturned the State's Shutdown of playgrounds by quickly and loudly complaining about it. We should be doing the same.

 
CoachRandal said:
Typical of California, it has set too strict regulations which have negative consequences. As a result smart companies and people are continually leaving (just in the last month or so we have lost HP, Oracle, Elon Musk, Stanford and SJSU Football, etc.). Unfortunately moving out to the state is not an option for CIF.

These guidelines seem to ignore that HS sports have been successfully played throughout most of the rest of the country without reported problems. They also seem to ignore that the younger and healthier people are the least impacted by the virus (It is far less dangerous than the flu) but have higher risk of depression, etc. These guidelines seem to ignore the arrival of the vaccines and if nothing else should acknowledge they will be re-evaluating periodically to take it into account.

As bad as our State Leadership is, the good news is the CIF seems to be fighting back and advocating for these guidelines to be made more reasonable by allowing all HS sports to be played in the Red Tier (see link below). You all should make sure that our ADs, principals, Sections and supportive members of the press are advocating loudly for a modification of these overly restrictive guidelines too. Note parents overturned the State's Shutdown of playgrounds by quickly and loudly complaining about it. We should be doing the same.

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they can all leave... 880/580/80/92/4 have way too many people on them anyway. go back to iowa or texas where they came from. we need less people... for the record tesla had zero to do with covid and everything to do with him not wanting to pay up as promised.
 
To those who think kids should be playing because they don't get very sick if at all from COVID are completely missing the point.

Kids can get the virus and come to play, give the bug to their coach and the refs, then take it home and pass it to parents and grandparents. Kids may feel fine, but they can become carriers.

There are NO ICU beds open in SoCal. Very few in AZ, same for many other places. It's getting harder and harder to take care of the sick.

Hopefully, the vaccines can help, but it's pretty dire right now.
 
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Kidman, that’s right on point. I hope I am wrong, but ufortunately there will probably be no high school sports in California this year. The best hope is that we are close to normal by August. As someone who has been, and still is, directly involved with high school sports for over half a century it is difficult to deal with, but there should not even be a debate about what the right thing to do is.

There are no guarantees in life, but as in the past we’ll persevere and get through this.
 
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kiddman32 said:
To those who think kids should be playing because they don't get very sick if at all from COVID are completely missing the point.
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exactly this.

but i've found nobody is changing anyone's mind on this. The people that think not playing sports is incompetent or political... vs just following the science and the experts on public health and epidimeology, as well as ignoring that people are dying in record numbers (more people are dying daily than 9/11).....

well, they won't listen, and you won't change their minds. it's infuriating.
 
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People don't realize one practice, one game can kill an entire family. There is not one negative consequence from not having HS sports that will outweigh a human life.
 
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kiddman32 said:
To those who think kids should be playing because they don't get very sick if at all from COVID are completely missing the point.

Kids can get the virus and come to play, give the bug to their coach and the refs, then take it home and pass it to parents and grandparents. Kids may feel fine, but they can become carriers.

There are NO ICU beds open in SoCal. Very few in AZ, same for many other places. It's getting harder and harder to take care of the sick.

Hopefully, the vaccines can help, but it's pretty dire right now.
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Kidman, I couldn't agree more -

We had devastating news hit our basketball family earlier in the week when one of my players lost a parent to COVID. It was sad, the parent was still young, healthy and active. Just too many unknowns...
 
I don't even understand why they're playing college sports? Oh yeah...its a billion dollar business, they don't really care about the kids or their families. they only see $$$$.
 
Jaw Knee said:
I don't even understand why they're playing college sports? Oh yeah...its a billion dollar business, they don't really care about the kids or their families. they only see $$$$.
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they have the means to play sort of safely. as you can see the amount of cancellations they are taking it serious though.
 
I don't have a problem with California setting a standard of what level will and will not be acceptable to play sports. But with that decision you do not get to skirt the responsibility of accountability and people scrutinizing that decision. The proper thing to do is to compare California to other states (their contemporaries) where most who did start sports, did so with higher numbers than we have now and they were able to start and finish before winter break. This is a fact, and it has to be said and then unpacked.

A D-3 college coaching friend called me the other day. He was recruiting at a local high school game out of state. He was pissed that one team held the ball the entire overtime (no shot-clock) and took one shot. He left before 2nd OT.

Its crazy that some kids get to play (in some states) and other do not based on an arbitrary set of numbers and rules.
 
More than a few of the colleges across the country are cancelling or postponing games because of positive tests. Some conferences, like the CCAA and the Ivy League and probably others, have just called off sports altogether.

I just wonder how many will even be able to complete a more-or-less full season. Will we have a "Final 3" this year??

Let's just hope those vaccines knock this bug down... We probably have a couple months (mayyyyyyybe three, but that's pushing it a little) to find out how the numbers go before any truly final decision to play or not play comes down, at least for basketball.
 
More cancellation fun... I was all set to watch Northern Arizona (with Carter Mahaney) face Eastern Washington just now, only to find out the game was cancelled (or maybe postponed) because of an inconclusive test on an Eastern Washington player.

The teams are still hoping to have a game tomorrow.
 
Jaw Knee said:
People don't realize one practice, one game can kill an entire family. There is not one negative consequence from not having HS sports that will outweigh a human life.
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depression, eating disorders, suicide are major factors w HS kids. No sports will compound these issues
 
rwccaptain42 said:
depression, eating disorders, suicide are major factors w HS kids. No sports will compound these issues
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if you are depressed, have a eating disorder or suicidal you shouldnt be playing high school sports anyway. you have deeper issues not resolved by running a football. you had those issues well before march 2020.
 
^^Exactly. And if you need physical activity to mitigate those issues, go outside for a run, hike, bike ride or play some 21 with your family.
 
rwccaptain42 said:
kids thrive on interaction... all i can say is wow
Let The Kids Play
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i agree, and the person gave a list of alternatives that give interaction. as well as kids now a days interact in different ways than you ( i assume over 30) and I did. these kids can still go out, snapchat and instagram. thats their interaction.
i do agree that i wish they could play.
 
hoopjunkie21 said:
For many kids sports is there only outlet. What's the alternative for those kids?
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Kids are still playing basketball and baseball. My neighbors are going to Arizona for a basketball tournament next week.
Maybe football isn't as easy to organize there is a parent in that home who should be parenting. Find another way.
 
This is a great opportunity for kids to pick up a new hobby or learn a new skill. Go try tennis or golf. Go pick up a book, learn how to cook, learn how to start a business, do taxes, trade stocks, etc. Take the money you saved from not paying for an AAU season and open a investment account for you kids. Help unleash your kids potential outside of sports...just a thought.
 
Jaw Knee said:
This is a great opportunity for kids to pick up a new hobby or learn a new skill. Go try tennis or golf. Go pick up a book, learn how to cook, learn how to start a business, do taxes, trade stocks, etc. Take the money you saved from not paying for an AAU season and open a investment account for you kids. Help unleash your kids potential outside of sports...just a thought.
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While I get your point most still don't have those opportunities. Believe it or not a lot of families depend on high school sports (at no cost) and cannot afford AAU or other activities. Not many tennis courts in East/West Oakland or South Sac. Often times the low income single parent household gets forgotten about. The last two post only proves that.
 
^^^fair enough. But I think we all agree that there are plenty of other things to keep kids occupied and developing other aspects of their lives besides sports. It requires commitment from the child, parent(s) and their support system. If the commitment is not there for whatever reason, the lower the probability of success. The same is true for athletics also.
 
The library is free. Wifi at the library is free too. Most high school basketball players spend too much time on a sport that will yield few tangible benefits once high school is over.
 
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