Assuming DLS plays SJB in the Open Game, and SJB wins, but DLS keeps it close, would DLS still finish the year as the #1 team in northern California?
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DLS will be the top ranked team in Nor-Cal until they LOSE to someone in Nor-Cal, period!
DLS14-folsom nil. Prove me wrong. If DLS gets blown out, then folsom gets blown out too. Prove me wrong. Folsom has one of their best teams ever and came up short against DLS. All good teams get better as season progresses, not just folsom. You’re just gonna have to settle for 2nd best, and a 1AA Championship. Thats a pretty great season.
Lol at Folsom dude trying to recuperate his season that ended in week zero
All good points. it very well could be that again the So Cal open game rep is just that much better than anything Nor Cal has. In that scenario, DLS stays #1 and Folsom #2.
@1tunz1
You make a good point. Maybe we should start recognizing Folsom as the best 1AA program in the state. That's not a bad thing. Their scheduling, dominance, and hard work warrants such praise.
You make a good point. Maybe we should start recognizing Folsom as the best 1AA program in the state. That's not a bad thing. Their scheduling, dominance, and hard work warrants such praise.
And she is even responding to different versions of herself in some recent threads. She just gets weirder.
In most cases yes dls would still be number one in nor cal..but you forget that folsom played at dls and have 5 turnovers vs 1 and a near td that was called a fumble when he was really down...can hardly say dls was any better...if folsom crushes a central or liberty by much greater margin than dls did and crushes d1aa so cal team and dls gets crushed by sjb or md than i would say folsom possibly deserves norcal #1...but if dls hangs tough in open than i would say dls for sure...and im a folsom fan
Norcal #1 was already decided on the field, as far as Folsom goes. Sorry. However, there are still games to be played. Maybe DLS will lose on purpose, just to give you a second chance.
I can’t wait for all these postponed games to happen, so we have something else to talk about.
Your kidding yourself if you think the DLS D had nothing to do with any of those turnovers. I'll give you the bad call excuse but stop with the "It was at DLS home and they had all these turnovers." DLS fans were crucified when they lost to STA in Fl. when their fans made the exact same excuses as to why they lost so bad. It really makes you look like someone who is in denial. Folsom lost to DLS and not saying they would lose a rematch, but the game that counted was unfortunately their only chance.
And I disagree that margin of loss by DLS in open vs the manhandling Folsom delivers to a SoCal slappie will make a difference in rankings. You can't compare SBG when Folsom wont be playing the same opponent. If they had some common opponents than maybe their could be an argument based on scenario 2.
You blue field guys kill me. You’re the only group on here who can take a loss and turn it into tie or a win.
Let me clear...DLS will end the season as #1 in Nor Cal, and deservedly so. They beat Folsom on the field. Having watched that game, at the time I wasn’t sold DLS was the best team I saw that night, (I honestly thought that game could’ve gone either way), but DLS won on the scoreboard, and that’s all that matters.
But to think abnother game between Folsom and DLS couldn’t potentially provide a different result is short-sided. Hell, there is a pretty clear example in Folsom’s history of them losing in Week 1 (badly I may add), and the a bulldogs coming back and winning a rematch months later (ask Grant if you don’t remember).
Current example of how things change can change rover the course of a season:
August 31st @ Granite Bay
Jesuit - 12
Granite Bay - 27
November 9 @ Granite Bay
Jesuit - 42
Granite Bay - 0
All this stated, it’s too a bad we Won’t see a rematch, and even sadder for Folsom they won’t get to play any big boys moving forward. I think they’ll likely have a tougher game in the NorCal Title game than at State.
No, the DLS refs beat Folsom! No fumble, he was down on the 1’ line. And other stupid calls after 15 yards past the ref called another possible Td back!
DLS’s refs beat Folsom! At least get the facts straight! Folsom, was and is the Better Team!
I was at the game. The refs did not influence the game. Stop please with the excuses. Folsom scored ZERO points, and if they played again, the result would be the same. I guess being 0-3 against a team in the history of playing makes you the better team.
Man you non folson fans are angry...this is hs football..with young kids..our lives shouldnt center on this..we are simply discussing things..i acknowledged and have that folsom losing head to head of course shouls be the major deciding factor and no folsom fan would argue against that..however in my points i also stated that folsom will play most likely a central in and if folsom crushes central (which i think lost to dls by like 7) or a st francis in nor cal open then that says something should dls get crushed in the open...one of you asked for common opponents..well it is most likely, barring an upset over dls that folsom gets a common dls opponent and if folsom annihilates them and dls is crushed then it should be a consideration for folsom to be ranked higher...also i did not say dls had nothing to do with those turnovers..but you dont win games often with those turnovers...teams can cause their own miscues as folsom partially did...dont forget inlast years open dls had 6 turnovers and was crushed..folsom had 5 on dls homefield and only lost 14 0 and it was 0 0 in the 3rd...so quit ignoring valid points or be angry because folsom fans feel that the team is on par with dls, could have beaten them and maybe deserve just consideration for nor cal # 1 if dls is crushed and folsom crushes common opponents...their game was wk 0 mind you.....just dont be so angry about a friendly discussion...no one is saying folsom should be number one unless something crazy happens
Week 0? So what? DLS was also playing at week 0. That’s all even-steven. And they have a soph qb. Also, Folsom coaches have a tendency to go 60-70 points. Many other coaches would call off the dogs at the half, or early third qtr, and keep the scores in the 40’s, as a sign of good sportsmanship.
do all you blue field guys smoke your own blue grass? The DLS' refs?
You're either delusional or trying to wind up this board.
Take the loss and your position in HS football like a man with some dignity and quit making excuses.
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It's unfortunate that there won't be a re-match. The current system, although flawed, has allowed Folsom to bring home a few more state championships. They've also established themselves as the team to beat at the 1AA level. The Bulldogs have benefited from the current system. Otherwise they would be like 0-4 against De la Salle in NorCal championship games.
De la Salle is the King of NorCal until somebody knocks them off. This needs to be settled on the field. Should De la Salle go to the Open game, they will probably face a top 5 team in the nation. This would be a game where they are considered underdogs. Keep in mind, they were blown out in the past two State Championship games.
The CIF got rid of the Norcal Open Championship game. There were whispers that Folsom wanted out of the game because they weren't winning and couldn't compete. A lot of accommodations have been made for Folsom. Cant have your cake and eat it too.
De la Salle is the King of NorCal until somebody knocks them off. This needs to be settled on the field. Should De la Salle go to the Open game, they will probably face a top 5 team in the nation. This would be a game where they are considered underdogs. Keep in mind, they were blown out in the past two State Championship games.
The CIF got rid of the Norcal Open Championship game. There were whispers that Folsom wanted out of the game because they weren't winning and couldn't compete. A lot of accommodations have been made for Folsom. Cant have your cake and eat it too.
One team got the W, and one didn't.
I'm losing track here? Are we talking about "he" that blames the referees or "he" that is obsessed with all things Folsom?
They are both coming off as pretty immature.
This logic may work with with SJS teams but DLS is a Different animal.
DLS is much better now then when they played week 1, Folsom hasn't been challenged and has a track record of losing badly when they play top level Physical teams like DLS.
DLS is just flat out too physical for Folsom to handle, week 0 or any week you want to chose. This has been proven on the field 3 times now.
Folsom fans think 14-0 was a "Close Loss", it could have just as easily been 28-0 DLS as it could be any other score you guys try to spin. The reality is 7 Sacks, 5 TO and 0 points on the field. Folsom was physically over-matched.
The Ref's were from the SJS and Folsom lost 14-0 so your post is Factually inaccurate....
The Ref's were from the SJS and Folsom lost 14-0 so your post is Factually inaccurate....
Not sure the refs were from SJS. The head ref was from the Concord area.
Even though you didnt quote my previous post, this post appears to be a response to me. So going with that idea, be careful who you label a "Non Folsom fan" who is angry. I live in the SJS and Folsom is the team I follow almost as closely as the local team I support. Have been a fan of Folosm for last decade. The difference between me and you is im not wearing the Folsom homer glasses that clouds my judgment. I guess you can say iam a neutral party when comparing both DLS and Folsom.
With that said, mentioning turnovers and week 0 as reasons for the loss is discounting the fact it was DLS' week 0 as well and it discounts any possibility that the D contributed to some of those turnovers and discounts any of the miscues on DLS' offense which contributed to a lack of offense. I mean they had many new players on offense playing in a big game for their first game, so no hating hear just simply stating that Folsom could clean up their miscues as easily as DLS could clean up their own, but I will agree that a late season game between the 2 would have been more intriguing than the week 0 game, but because of the elimination of the open regional, it leaves only pre-season for the 2 to meet.
Regarding common opponent, not sure where your getting Central as a common Opponent? DLS didnt play Central this year. Not sure the likelyhood of Folsom playing St. Francis as they are in the Open 2 division of the CS, so not sure if they would end up in the D1AA regional.
Lastly, using score difference in SBG as a way to rank Folsom and DLS will not be considered unless it was a common opponent between the 2, which is why I made the common opponent argument. However dont get so caught up on numbers specifically with regards to Folsom as they run a high octane offense that can score quickly and the offense DLS runs is completely different. So trying to use score comparisons is a flawed method.
That first game was a fluke (Jesuit and GB). When your key guys are hurt, things can change.
I would say that Folsom would be a lot tougher defensively now due to the availability of personnel that were unavailable for that first game. Also, maybe, they'd keep it on the ground more and be better prepared to throw more quick hitters than long developing patterns. But we will never know. You have to take advantage of the opportunities that present themselves and Folsom did not get that done.
This is a great Point!... Unfortunately All Folsom fans like you do is argue all day long that Folsom is better then DLS, even-though they got Shut out, Sacked 7 Times, had 5 TO and were completely, physically Dominated by DLS....
This loss just seems tough on the Folsom fans. That game was their Superbowl and since they didn't schedule any other big games, it has made this season less satisfying for them I guess. Rather then be proud of their team for another 1-AA Bowl run, they are just crying sour grapes because they got the game they wanted with DLS in week 0 and lost badly. Now all the sudden that loss should be wiped or "Explained" away??...
I don't get you guys, but I do enjoy reading so carry on!...
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DLS is the only team that stands a chance vs Bosco. The gap is still a big one. If DLS beats them, it will be a greater upset than when they beat Poly in their prime. I would say there will be a 21 point spread on this game. But, that is why they play the games.
I realize it requires folks to pay attention on, what should be, an otherwise carefree venture (reading about HS football) but PLEASE don't generalize based on the actions of VERY FEW so-called Folsom fans.
I could never for the life of me understand why people are so "secretive" on message boards (or the internet in general for that matter) but I don't think I have hid my allegiance or my identity (I am the oldest of 3 brothers, all with the initials AEWood hence awood1) and I don't believe I reflect any of the items that you present as synonymous with ALL Folsom fans.
I'm proud of the Folsom football program, players, administrators, coaches and community, but I am not delusional. If you are 0-3 or 0-4 against a team, they are better until you put SOMETHING in the win column. If that teams happens to be undefeated against local opponents for a few decades, you are in good company! There are literally thousands of HS football teams that would love to be in a conversation even involving DLS and while I am proud of the work that it took to get Folsom in that conversation, I am not delusional enough to proclaim anything less than a win over DLS as any rational to believe that Folsom is in any way "better" than them.
Thanks,
Anthony Wood (Older brother of Andrew and Anson) = awood1
A REAL Folsom fan.
"I would say that Folsom would be a lot tougher defensively now due to the availability of personnel that were unavailable for that first game. "
This must be in reference to the new RENO transfer who plays defense....I guess they should have tried to schedule the game later in the year......
FYI....DLS is at it's weakest point early in the season and Folsom failed to capitalize on it.....In addition DLS QB is a sophomore and this was his first varsity start........but that means nothing?
This must be in reference to the new RENO transfer who plays defense....I guess they should have tried to schedule the game later in the year......
FYI....DLS is at it's weakest point early in the season and Folsom failed to capitalize on it.....In addition DLS QB is a sophomore and this was his first varsity start........but that means nothing?
If DLS wins out, then why is this even a question? This is like arguing that Pitt should be seeded aheadof CV when CV won head to head
Nice post and nice to know not ALL folsom fans are wearing the folsom homer glasses, as I like to call them lol.
It gets annoying when those fans name off all the faults with the week 0 game and how it cost Folsom the game. What amazes me is the lack of looking at the other side of the coin and how DLS clearly had their issues as well in that game and its foolish to think that this was DLS' best showing and it was only Folsom who was off that game. Both teams are not the same week 0 teams we saw and this would make for a very intriguing rematch, but we all no that wont happen, so unfortunately we only have the week 0 game to compare the two teams.
I also think it's a shame that SoCal puts all their elite teams in the section that plays for the open bowl game. It robs Folsom the opportunity to prove they can beat an elite team. The haters will only remember the loss to DLS, the only elite team on their schedule and all the other achievements they make this season will go unnoticed because the competition wasnt the same caliber as DLS. Its disappointing for me who is a fan of the SJS and a follower of Folsom for the last 10 years. It's been awesome to watch them grow from a decent team in their league to a powerhouse team and the crown jewel of the SJS.
I get it and I am sure most people do too. This is a spot where HS football, as does much of our enjoyment of sports, come from discussing the "hypotheticals";
Who was the greatest HVY weight of all time?
Jordon vs. LeBron
Brady vs. Montana
Ditka vs. the NFL HOF All-Star team
etc.
The reality is, some things are just fantasy and/or history and won't happen. As a bit of time has passed, I like to look at Folsom's 2010 season with some perspective. REALITY is that they won a SBG. They also started with a humiliating loss on ESPN against a great Grant team, then beat them in a Section Championship. The superlatives that have ZERO impact on the reality are that I'd never seen that group play as bad as they did in that 1st game against Grant. Uncharacteristic fumbles, INTs, blown coverages, missed tackles, etc. all contributed to that poor showing. On the flip side, my peer BlackSwan would be quick to report that Grant suffered significant injuries prior to that Section championship. Then I counter with the fact that Dano sat out the entire week in a knee brace after being knocked out of the Buhach Colony game the week before, to which he points out that Al's play calling was horrific...it goes on and on and THATS much of the fun in sports, but it doesn't change the reality.
So when I watched Folsom come up empty in the 1st half on 5 trips to the redzone against DLS, it certainly made a case for discussion of the coulda, shoulda, wouldas. Events throughout the game are all open to discussion. BUT none of that changes the reality of the 0'fer in the win column against the Spartans and that's OK too. It makes for fun conversation and debate for old has beens on the message boards, but it shouldn't diminish or elevate what any of these kids take away from the game. This game is played by kids and the focus should be on their experience. I think the kids playing at Folsom (and any other team in the SFL for that matter) are blessed with a pretty darn good experience.
@awood1 of course the discussion is what brings us too these boards. I enjoy friendly realistic discussions that can actually have merit and facts to support the discussion. I personally dont like playing the coulda, shoulda, would've game, because as a fan you see the mistakes and miscues of the team you root for, whereas the opposing team fans have their own set of mistakes and miscues they observe from their team. DLS had plenty of plays in that game that I'm sure they are wishing they had a second chance at as well. This is why I say a rematch between Folsom and DLS would have been very intriguing and honestly I have no clue who I think would win and it's more frustrating to even discuss it knowing we will never get to see a rematch
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