COVID-19 news/opinions

[Streak One]

Wanted to put a heads up out there. If there are posts that involve COVID and aren’t directly tied to an event, they need to be on this thread.

I understand the line is blurry on this topic but please do your best to keep the conversation contained here.

This thread will still be monitored to make it stays in the posted rules but I hope this will untangle the board.

Thank you.

 

[ankleassassin]

What is even left to discuss. Its fake.

 

[colhenrylives]

Unfortunately, data don't lie. An example: Hospitalizations due to the virus have tripled in San Mateo County in just the last three weeks. There's a worrisome message there.

 

[94123]

The kids will be ok without a football season this year.

 

[blbk4blbk4]

The kids will be ok without a football season this year.

Totally agree, it's the parents and fan's that don't have a life without HS sports that won't be OK.

 

[ankleassassin]

Totally agree, it's the parents and fan's that don't have a life without HS sports that won't be OK.

bunch of al bundys

 

[colhenrylives]

Dr. Scott Morrow, the top health honcho in San Mateo County, issued a long, detailed explanation for why he has yet to order his county to join a Bay Area-wide, pro-active, virus-induced lockdown on Dec. 7. One particular sentence stood out: "The new state framework is rife with inexplicable inconsistencies of logic." Enough said. Governor Newsom, are you listening?

 

[blbk4blbk4]

It's all new territory for everyone, I have faith that they have the best health interest for our citizens.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

bunch of al bundys

Suicide rates have doubled in some counties and drug deaths up significantly. The toll is very high for not opening. Policy has to be set to consider th full picture including economic fall out. Those states that have remained relatively open have faired much better in these areas. If over 65 and have underlying condition should be protected or take precautions. Under 15 virtually zero risk- less than 100 fatalities in the nation - 15-24 even very low risk.

 

[lessgo]

Sports psychologist gives athletes, coaches advice on dealing with COVID-19 shutdown

Sports psychologist Andrew Yellen offers wisdom as the high school sports season remains on hold because of the COVID-19 pandemic.

www.latimes.com

 

[ankleassassin]

Suicide rates have doubled in some counties and drug deaths up significantly. The toll is very high for not opening. Policy has to be set to consider th full picture including economic fall out. Those states that have remained relatively open have faired much better in these areas. If over 65 and have underlying condition should be protected or take precautions. Under 15 virtually zero risk- less than 100 fatalities in the nation - 15-24 even very low risk.

I will keep saying it too. If you killed yourself because you could not play football for 1 year you had deep rooted problems already that your whole camp missed. Talk to your kids, know what is going on with their lives outside of high school football. Chances are very likely that they never were going to play football again after this season anyway so were they going to kill themselves in June? So this is just an excuse.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

I will keep saying it too. If you killed yourself because you could not play football for 1 year you had deep rooted problems already that your whole camp missed. Talk to your kids, know what is going on with their lives outside of high school football. Chances are very likely that they never were going to play football again after this season anyway so were they going to kill themselves in June? So this is just an excuse.

It's just a fact. Young are having trouble with this. It isn't an excuse it is a toll that needs to be considered as well as the destruction of people's lives through state government tyranny.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Newsom says California stay-at-home order will likely be extended
Newsom says California stay-at-home order will likely be extended (sfgate.com)

 

[ankleassassin]

It's just a fact. Young are having trouble with this. It isn't an excuse it is a toll that needs to be considered as well as the destruction of people's lives through state government tyranny.

if there were mental health issues that bad, then they shouldnt be playing football to begin with and their parents should be parenting. that is what is always said when kids break the law. where were the parents?

 

[Marcskit]

It's just a fact. Young are having trouble with this. It isn't an excuse it is a toll that needs to be considered as well as the destruction of people's lives through state government tyranny.

I know you like to beat the Drum, ( It's the States fault) But young suicide's 13-19 have been on the rise for the past several years. Yes, Covid dosent' help.
It is unfortunate you use your posts, as a thinly disguised way to show a political slant. It is UN-becoming of you.

Here's wishing you great football

 

[northbayfb]

if there were mental health issues that bad, then they shouldnt be playing football to begin with and their parents should be parenting. that is what is always said when kids break the law. where were the parents?

This might be the most asinine post ever.

Hilinski's Hope

www.hilinskishope.org

 

[ankleassassin]

This might be the most asinine post ever.

Hilinski's Hope

www.hilinskishope.org

so is people thinking this is just a flu, if they can go to costco they should be able to play football and that kids are killing themselves because school is closed. if you do not think this is the time a parent should be extra involved with their child because he is about to kill himself over football. you are just not a good mother.

 

[ankleassassin]

This might be the most asinine post ever.

Hilinski's Hope

www.hilinskishope.org

hilinski killed himself pre covid. and he struggled with mental health for years. exactly what i was saying.

 

[MTsince2004]

Mental health issues have been misinterpreted, downplayed, or simply avoided in this country for far too long. The pandemic is exacerbating those problems and bringing them more to the forefront. It is way past time to directly address these issues and I for one hope that more attention is paid to the mental health of our society. However, It is just as logical to claim that the stress of fear for personal health in a pandemic is causing far more suicides than the stress of missing school.

Mental health crises caused by the pandemic will NOT be better served by allowing the pandemic to become more pervasive. That will only INCREASE the amount of stress and strain on peoples' mental state and on the health care system. This is not a choice of one way or the other. That's a false dilemma. Minimizing the spread of the pandemic and vaccinating the population is THE healthiest option for both mental and physical health. As a society in the general, we have obviously failed at minimizing the spread. It has been mitigated, but not to the extent that we could have. All other problems (mental, physical, emotional, and economic as well) are made worse by that and NONE will be solved by letting the disease spread even more.

 

[ankleassassin]

Mental health issues have been misinterpreted, downplayed, or simply avoided in this country for far too long. The pandemic is exacerbating those problems and bringing them more to the forefront. It is way past time to directly address these issues and I for one hope that more attention is paid to the mental health of our society. However, It is just as logical to claim that the stress of fear for personal health in a pandemic is causing far more suicides than the stress of missing school.

Mental health crises caused by the pandemic will NOT be better served by allowing the pandemic to become more pervasive. That will only INCREASE the amount of stress and strain on peoples' mental state and on the health care system. This is not a choice of one way or the other. That's a false dilemma. Minimizing the spread of the pandemic and vaccinating the population is THE healthiest option for both mental and physical health. As a society in the general, we have obviously failed at minimizing the spread. It has been mitigated, but not to the extent that we could have. All other problems (mental, physical, emotional, and economic as well) are made worse by that and NONE will be solved by letting the disease spread even more.

i like it

 

[carmelkyd]

From NPR article in September 2020:

"The stressors of COVID come as youth suicide was already at a record high before the pandemic, with increases every year since 2007.

Not having guns in the home, or keeping them safely locked away, is another overlooked factor in suicide risk. A new analysis of the latest CDC data found that the rate of firearm suicides increased 51% for 15-24 year olds in the decade ending in 2018. Among 10- to 14-year-olds, who have a lower rate of suicide to begin with, suicide by gun increased a staggering 214% in that time frame.

Gun suicide is astonishingly lethal: Of all suicide attempts not involving guns, 94% fail, and most of those people do not try again. Of all suicide attempts that do involve guns, 90% succeed. That's one reason that gun ownership correlates with the youth suicide rate, state by state. A study last year found that for each 10 percent increase in household gun ownership in a state, the suicide rate for 10- to 19-year-olds increases by more than 25 percent.

And, the presence of guns is another community risk factor that has increased during the pandemic: From March to July 2020 gun sales doubled compared with the year before."

Which points to the idea that while COVID is certainly a stressor that very well might lead to the increase in teen suicides...following a 13 year trend...it may be also possible that the dramatic increase in gun ownership is an important cause in any increase in teen suicides. In other words it would be too simple to blame COIVD and government for any increase in the teen suicide rate.

 

[ankleassassin]

From NPR article in September 2020:

"The stressors of COVID come as youth suicide was already at a record high before the pandemic, with increases every year since 2007.

Not having guns in the home, or keeping them safely locked away, is another overlooked factor in suicide risk. A new analysis of the latest CDC data found that the rate of firearm suicides increased 51% for 15-24 year olds in the decade ending in 2018. Among 10- to 14-year-olds, who have a lower rate of suicide to begin with, suicide by gun increased a staggering 214% in that time frame.

Gun suicide is astonishingly lethal: Of all suicide attempts not involving guns, 94% fail, and most of those people do not try again. Of all suicide attempts that do involve guns, 90% succeed. That's one reason that gun ownership correlates with the youth suicide rate, state by state. A study last year found that for each 10 percent increase in household gun ownership in a state, the suicide rate for 10- to 19-year-olds increases by more than 25 percent.

And, the presence of guns is another community risk factor that has increased during the pandemic: From March to July 2020 gun sales doubled compared with the year before."

Which points to the idea that while COVID is certainly a stressor that very well might lead to the increase in teen suicides...following a 13 year trend...it may be also possible that the dramatic increase in gun ownership is an important cause in any increase in teen suicides. In other words it would be too simple to blame COIVD and government for any increase in the teen suicide rate.

So many factors. It is just lazy and convenient to blame COVID.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

if there were mental health issues that bad, then they shouldnt be playing football to begin with and their parents should be parenting. that is what is always said when kids break the law. where were the parents?

Poor logic. Suicides have doubled in some area. Over and above trend. Your talking about kids. Many not equipped to handle depression and it is many times tough for parents to know what is going on. Yes they should try but many fall through the holes. Not going to in school in person also takes away a channel of support.

 

[bella123]

From NPR article in September 2020:

"The stressors of COVID come as youth suicide was already at a record high before the pandemic, with increases every year since 2007.

Not having guns in the home, or keeping them safely locked away, is another overlooked factor in suicide risk. A new analysis of the latest CDC data found that the rate of firearm suicides increased 51% for 15-24 year olds in the decade ending in 2018. Among 10- to 14-year-olds, who have a lower rate of suicide to begin with, suicide by gun increased a staggering 214% in that time frame.

Gun suicide is astonishingly lethal: Of all suicide attempts not involving guns, 94% fail, and most of those people do not try again. Of all suicide attempts that do involve guns, 90% succeed. That's one reason that gun ownership correlates with the youth suicide rate, state by state. A study last year found that for each 10 percent increase in household gun ownership in a state, the suicide rate for 10- to 19-year-olds increases by more than 25 percent.

And, the presence of guns is another community risk factor that has increased during the pandemic: From March to July 2020 gun sales doubled compared with the year before."

Which points to the idea that while COVID is certainly a stressor that very well might lead to the increase in teen suicides...following a 13 year trend...it may be also possible that the dramatic increase in gun ownership is an important cause in any increase in teen suicides. In other words it would be too simple to blame COIVD and government for any increase in the teen suicide rate.

Not to me to mention what this increase in sales is doing for the run on ammo. It’s doubled in price and is much harder to find.

 

[ankleassassin]

Poor logic. Suicides have doubled in some area. Over and above trend. Your talking about kids. Many not equipped to handle depression and it is many times tough for parents to know what is going on. Yes they should try but many fall through the holes. Not going to in school in person also takes away a channel of support.

Ok, so how many people on here have had their child commit suicide this year? I bet ZERO. Let us take the big/bigger cities in the area. I searched the news sites for Sacramento, Oakland, San Francisco, San Jose, Stockton and Fresno. Not one article about a high school athlete killing themselves. I bet the numbers are pretty equal of kids happy they do not have to go to school versus those that are upset. Sure the athletes miss the advantages of being big man on campus.
Kids are not fully equipped yet but they are fully equipped to grasp a offense or defensive playbook? So I do put blame on the parent. My father knew exactly what was up with me as a kid and parents now a days need to put their phones down and talk to their kids. Log off of norcal preps complaining and go run routes with your son. Sure some suicides are up but it has been increasing for 13 years. It is lazy to blame this along with everything else in society on COVID.

 

[WCAL75]

Not to me to mention what this increase in sales is doing for the run on ammo. It’s doubled in price and is much harder to find.

It’s right next to the toilet paper and paper towels.

 

[Cal 14]

Poor logic. Suicides have doubled in some area. Over and above trend. Your talking about kids. Many not equipped to handle depression and it is many times tough for parents to know what is going on. Yes they should try but many fall through the holes. Not going to in school in person also takes away a channel of support.

So, because a few dozen people (if that) commit suicide, we should just ignore the 10s of thousands that have died of COVID?

Extremely short-sighted.

 

[Cal 14]

Sorry, guys. We have to error on the side of caution. You can only make a mistake once with this pandemic.

https://imgflip.com/i/4rvd2x

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

So, because a few dozen people (if that) commit suicide, we should just ignore the 10s of thousands that have died of COVID?

Extremely short-sighted.

Not shortsighted - more long term sighted. Destroying the economy will have long term impact in many industries. $2000 will not save them and this government is already in terrible high debt.

I'm not ignoring and while suicide declined in 2019 it has doubled in many areas. It's more than a few dozen and there is non if any data that supports closing outdoor or even in door dinning with precautions. No data behind crazy curfew and staying as open as possible will reduce economy decline. Remain as open as possible before economy is destroyed. 40%+ that die are elderly and majority of rest underlying condition. Less than 100 die from COVID under 15 in US and under 500 under 25. Less than in bad flu years that take younger demographic. States like FL have done better job managing than CA and they have larger elderly population. I'm all for masks and distancing but it is nonsense how non essential and essential are determined. Shutting down isn't going to contain it at this stage. Maybe early on if all travel was suspended like in regions of China which their data is also suspect, but we are experiencing the negative part of an open and free society. This virus will take its course and hopefully the vaccine be distributed to all that want it in US by Jun-July. This state is beyond containing this virus as are much of Europe that has also shut down. It isn't disappearing and those with underlying conditions (myself included) need to take special precautions, but there is terrible human costs to remaining shut down including schools not open in person. Public policy needs to make sense and when you have political leaders not even following their policies you see the level of hypocrisy and unconstitutional unfairness.

 

[Marcskit]

Not shortsighted - more long term sighted. Destroying the economy will have long term impact in many industries. $2000 will not save them and this government is already in terrible high debt.

I'm not ignoring and while suicide declined in 2019 it has doubled in many areas. It's more than a few dozen and there is non if any data that supports closing outdoor or even in door dinning with precautions. No data behind crazy curfew and staying as open as possible will reduce economy decline. Remain as open as possible before economy is destroyed. 40%+ that die are elderly and majority of rest underlying condition. Less than 100 die from COVID under 15 in US and under 500 under 25. Less than in bad flu years that take younger demographic. States like FL have done better job managing than CA and they have larger elderly population. I'm all for masks and distancing but it is nonsense how non essential and essential are determined. Shutting down isn't going to contain it at this stage. Maybe early on if all travel was suspended like in regions of China which their data is also suspect, but we are experiencing the negative part of an open and free society. This virus will take its course and hopefully the vaccine be distributed to all that want it in US by Jun-July. This state is beyond containing this virus as are much of Europe that has also shut down. It isn't disappearing and those with underlying conditions (myself included) need to take special precautions, but there is terrible human costs to remaining shut down including schools not open in person. Public policy needs to make sense and when you have political leaders not even following their policies you see the level of hypocrisy and unconstitutional unfairness.

Unfortunately you have put out erroneous information. Suicide has been on the rise for the past several years, particularly with 13 to 19 age group. And no Covid doesn't help in that regard.

Early on, many posters on here said that Covid could be a Hoax. A lot of posters played down the situation. Some on this site called wearing a mask a waist of time. I remember how a few posters used their posts, to push a political narrative.
It could be said you are guilty doing the same. You hit on California's Gov. in the past. How many others have culpability? Why stop at the State? In fact the States were left to scramble, having to go it alone without our Federal Government really getting involved till later. Do you look to the White House for any of this mess?
People can see what the situation is. It is something none of use were prepared for. Take part in doing what YOU can do to make the situation better.

One thing you can do, is stop posting the same posts, with slight variations.

Here's wishing you great football.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Unfortunately you have put out erroneous information. Suicide has been on the rise for the past several years, particularly with 13 to 19 age group. And no Covid doesn't help in that regard.

Early on, many posters on here said that Covid could be a Hoax. A lot of posters played down the situation. Some on this site called wearing a mask a waist of time. I remember how a few posters used their posts, to push a political narrative.
It could be said you are guilty doing the same. You hit on California's Gov. in the past. How many others have culpability? Why stop at the State? In fact the States were left to scramble, having to go it alone without our Federal Government really getting involved till later. Do you look to the White House for any of this mess?
People can see what the situation is. It is something none of use were prepared for. Take part in doing what YOU can do to make the situation better.

One thing you can do, is stop posting the same posts, with slight variations.

Here's wishing you great football.

You are not up to date on the stats and you are in error. 2019 declined YoY for first time in ten years according to CDC. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...most-recent-cdc-data-year-2019-301197660.html. When talking about 48,000 suicides increases like are happening in 2020 is not immaterial. Next time do your research. If you look at large cities and what psychiatric community has been reporting the trend is back up in 2020 by a lot. CA strategy hasn’t worked and will probably be Feb when it peaks. Notice the mass exodus from CA? 10% of SF has left the city....50% of storefronts out of business? The state failed to follow science and set policies that didn’t fit. Didn’t say it was hoax. Never did. Said the strategy employed was flawed. This state is in deep trouble. Silicon Valley and many wealthy are exiting the state in record which is the tax base. This is a result of bad public policy. How does this relate to football? This season is done in CA and CA is in for a long difficult period as small business is destroyed in this state. By the way Fed government has been involved but states as you see have sovereignty. Even Biden figured out his forcing states with federal mask mandate is unconstitutional. I do what I can do and take precautions but tyranny has become the norm in this state and is an abuse of power which I do not support.

 

[ankleassassin]

You are not up to date on the stats and you are in error. 2019 declined YoY for first time in ten years according to CDC. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...most-recent-cdc-data-year-2019-301197660.html. When talking about 48,000 suicides increases like are happening in 2020 is not immaterial. Next time do your research. If you look at large cities and what psychiatric community has been reporting the trend is back up in 2020 by a lot. CA strategy hasn’t worked and will probably be Feb when it peaks. Notice the mass exodus from CA? 10% of SF has left the city....50% of storefronts out of business? The state failed to follow science and set policies that didn’t fit. Didn’t say it was hoax. Never did. Said the strategy employed was flawed. This state is in deep trouble. Silicon Valley and many wealthy are exiting the state in record which is the tax base. This is a result of bad public policy. How does this relate to football? This season is done in CA and CA is in for a long difficult period as small business is destroyed in this state. By the way Fed government has been involved but states as you see have sovereignty. Even Biden figured out his forcing states with federal mask mandate is unconstitutional. I do what I can do and take precautions but tyranny has become the norm in this state and is an abuse of power which I do not support.

if small businesses were destroyed they arent good businesses to be begin with. its a dog eat dog world. you either eat or get eaten. they have had 10 months to rethink and react. but it is easier to play victim and blame Newsom, Pelosi, California and corona. well the was not built feel free for them to pack up and start their small business in idaho or montana. enjoy those winters while there.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

if small businesses were destroyed they arent good businesses to be begin with. its a dog eat dog world. you either eat or get eaten. they have had 10 months to rethink and react. but it is easier to play victim and blame Newsom, Pelosi, California and corona. well the was not built feel free for them to pack up and start their small business in idaho or montana. enjoy those winters while there.

Business around for decades that were good businesses for decades and profitable before the pandemic and not allowed to adjust and are out of business due to public policies has nothing to do with your hypothesis. Job losses are real and with no options to make a living people leave or live in the streets. I know what running a successful business is like and raised millions and sold it later. Also see what’s going on in other states and countries. CA policy is killing this state and this has been exacerbated by the pandemic. I am no victim. I am very fortunate and pissed off what this state is doing to less fortunate. I do blame the govt leadership of this state. Small business is the backbone of this country. You can just pay for the upcoming tax raise and pensions for those leaving. If you fail to see this coming you are short sighted.

 

[ankleassassin]

Business around for decades that were good businesses for decades and profitable before the pandemic and not allowed to adjust and are out of business due to public policies has nothing to do with your hypothesis. Job losses are real and with no options to make a living people leave or live in the streets. I know what running a successful business is like and raised millions and sold it later. Also see what’s going on in other states and countries. CA policy is killing this state and this has been exacerbated by the pandemic. I am no victim. I am very fortunate and pissed off what this state is doing to less fortunate. I do blame the govt leadership of this state. Small business is the backbone of this country. You can just pay for the upcoming tax raise and pensions for those leaving. If you fail to see this coming you are short sighted.

Ok, so if you have succeeded business wise you know what it takes. You should go buy your meat and toilet paper at the corner store and give them some business tips. Who is 'not allowed to adjust?' If they have been around for decades and been profitable then 6 months or so of slow times would not doom them. Job losses? I see tons and tons and tons of people still working. Amazon, the post office, fed ex, door dash and so on are always hiring. I have never been out of a job even at my lowest points in life. Excuses. Unemployment has helped out plenty. Dog eat dog world. The strong survive. Sounds like you know that so stop blaming others. I mean that is the line I always here from a certain demo.

 

[NorCalSportsFan]

Ok, so if you have succeeded business wise you know what it takes. You should go buy your meat and toilet paper at the corner store and give them some business tips. Who is 'not allowed to adjust?' If they have been around for decades and been profitable then 6 months or so of slow times would not doom them. Job losses? I see tons and tons and tons of people still working. Amazon, the post office, fed ex, door dash and so on are always hiring. I have never been out of a job even at my lowest points in life. Excuses. Unemployment has helped out plenty. Dog eat dog world. The strong survive. Sounds like you know that so stop blaming others. I mean that is the line I always here from a certain demo.

I started an incubator a couple decades ago and have assisted hundreds of companies some IPOed and others exited through acquisition. Probably read over a thousand business plans - many employ over a thousand people today. This is a fact. Currently in Corp dev and strategy at one of the top software companies on the globe. You neglect to address fact that certain segments of businesses are discriminated against when they have implemented changes but in effect the government has put them out of business. Unemployment won’t pay your rent in this state. You are naive. Yes the strong survive when the playing field is even but not when they are taken off the field. You notice airlines continue to operate?People are in close proximity and unless all are wearing N95 masks there is a good chance Covid can spread even if they meet temperature screen. And if testing required For destination a little better situation in those cases but not all. Airlines were made strategic and so you can fly. Processes were put in place at restaurants and the goal posts changed. There is no data that supports shutting down indoor or outdoor dinning. What demo are you?

 

[ankleassassin]

I started an incubator a couple decades ago and have assisted hundreds of companies some IPOed and others exited through acquisition. Probably read over a thousand business plans - many employ over a thousand people today. This is a fact. Currently in Corp dev and strategy at one of the top software companies on the globe. You neglect to address fact that certain segments of businesses are discriminated against when they have implemented changes but in effect the government has put them out of business. Unemployment won’t pay your rent in this state. You are naive. Yes the strong survive when the playing field is even but not when they are taken off the field. You notice airlines continue to operate?People are in close proximity and unless all are wearing N95 masks there is a good chance Covid can spread even if they meet temperature screen. And if testing required For destination a little better situation in those cases but not all. Airlines were made strategic and so you can fly. Processes were put in place at restaurants and the goal posts changed. There is no data that supports shutting down indoor or outdoor dinning. What demo are you?

sounds like you can lend some advice to those failing businesses. share the knowledge. they need your help. although everything in my city seems to be open except 24 hour fitness. but even they moved outdoors to make it happen.

 

[rwccaptain42]

sounds like you can lend some advice to those failing businesses. share the knowledge. they need your help. although everything in my city seems to be open except 24 hour fitness. but even they moved outdoors to make it happen.

l wouldn't want to live in the same zip as ankleass

 

[ankleassassin]

l wouldn't want to live in the same zip as ankleass

it is too much color for you i imagine.

 

[WWHS44]

Painfully obvious you have no knowledge of how business work. Clear you work for someone else.....

as for 24 hour fit.......they have filed for bankruptcy, have close over 50% of their locations which will NOT reopen......and only the clubs that are very profitable are getting the tent set up which seems the way around covid rules...

 

[ankleassassin]

Painfully obvious you have no knowledge of how business work. Clear you work for someone else.....

as for 24 hour fit.......they have filed for bankruptcy, have close over 50% of their locations which will NOT reopen......and only the clubs that are very profitable are getting the tent set up which seems the way around covid rules...

just got an email from the ceo of 24 and they have emerged from bankruptcy. yeah i work for someone else as my chosen profession dictates I do. I work for the government. For you. However I know of plenty of business owners who refused to lose and did what they had to do to survive. nothing i said needs an MBA to know though.