D-1 State Game Norcal Candidates
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And if they meet in the RBG Folsom will win. Bank it...
I don't see the WCAL being any stronger if at all than the SFL. Great respect for both leagues, but I believe in recent playoff games the SFL has the edge in head to head match ups between the two leagues.
Folsom by 2+ scores over Bellarmine. I've seen both teams play and Bellarmine is a very good team so I'm not taking anything away from them. Strong line and well coached. They would have to slow the game down and make it really ugly to stay close. Capitalize on some turnovers. Otherwise I don't see them keeping with the dogs. DO and Bellarmine were pretty equal. They matched up well. Yes it was a road game on a hot night for the bells but any team could have won that game. DO was never in the game against Folsom.
At this point, I also think Folsom will win. I just don't think BCP has a strong enough pass defense to make it a good game. It is interesting to note, though, that the WCAL teams have made a move to more balanced offense this year instead of the extremely old super-tight wing-t formations. But it will take several years of development to make any noticeable change if indeed this is an ongoing change.
Whatever you are smoking....pass that! LOL
SFL is much better than the WCAL. Del Oro is possibly 3rd or 4th best team in the SFL now and BARELY lost to the Bells on a miracle (which they should have won).
Stay off the crack pipe...LOL
We're roughly 1/2 through the season and a lot can change, but the WCAL has a slight ratings lead over the SFL according to Calpreps (38.3 - 37.2). Pretty close to even. They are ranked 5th and 7th in the State respectively. Unfortunately, we won't know anything definitive until the playoffs and Regionals play out.
Last season the SFL had a decided advantage (40.9 - 33.1). They were #3 in the State behind only the Southern Section's Trinity and Mission leagues. The Delta Valley Conference (SJS) was the next highest ranked NorCal league at #11 and the WCAL was #12.
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That's Callreps for you! I'd say the SFL Is stronger, but that is only my opionion and no proof to back it up. Regional and playofs won'thelp much for the arguemrent. Not enough cross play to make an determination.
It's exactly like saying the WAC in 06' was better than the Big 12 because of Boise beating Oklahoma. Retarded, you would need a match up of teams 1-6 to play to even get a marginal idea of what league is better. Exactly the same as saying the SJS was better than the CCS because DO beat Serra 2 years ago or the NCS was better than the SJS beause De La Salle beat Folsom. In the real world that's not how it works. But in message board land?
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Sure it will. That's where the separation occurred last season. Many of these teams will be in the postseason and will win/lose to teams in other leagues of differing strength. Some might play one another and some might play and beat a top SoCal team which really provides a boost. They don't have to play one another (cross play) to make a determination. For example, none of the SFL/WCAL/DVC teams played a team from the Trinity league, but it's still fairly easy to tell which was the stronger league from top to bottom based upon SOS, quality wins and other factors.
Same thing will play out between those 3 NorCal leagues over the next 2+ months.
Calpreps is only bad at the beginning of the season. But as the season wears on, it gets better and better. By the end of the season, it's presents a fairly accurate look at things. Take a look at the league rankings from last season. It's likely really, really close to what the majority would here would come up with if you ran a poll. Not saying it's perfect, by any means, but pretty good when it comes to California.
Fair enough, but still don't think it's that easy. Maybe with all the regional games (which I hate anyway) it will help. I mean last year who's to say SHP wasn't the best team in NorCal? I don't know? Hell 5 days ago I thought Grant was better than EG (probably in the minority in that) and if they didn't play I would have been wrong. So what do I know
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This has been the fodder generally understood about CalPreps projections. But the truth is that in its first week of projections (last week) CalPreps hit a 82.1% correct call of winner. That is really high especially considering this is a field of 15000+ schools. This level has been historically hit for several years now. Here's the crazy thing - that hit rate actually drops into the mid to low 70's during the playoffs One can speculate on contributing factors. So to say CalPreps get more accurate over time is only partially true. Still - 70% to 85% accuracy rate to call winners is pretty amazing.
Year-over-year I'd slot the WCAL between the SFL and Delta League. Before the 2014 SFL team shuffle I'd put the WCAL on top, but when the SFL brought in Folsom and Oak Ridge that really put that league over the top as the best in NorCal. If the WCAL, say, added Palma and SHP, and dropped SHC, you could make an argument about the WCAL having a stronger league top to bottom, but right now the SFL is where I'd put my money.
I agree with the offensive shifts making the WCAL teams stronger, although the wing T was an extra point away from knocking off De La Salle! But times have changed and you have to throw the ball to get into a state title game. That is why SHP won the CCS open last year because they had a balanced attack that WCAL teams were not ready for come playoff time because they are too busy beating eachother up running the ball all game! When your team is accustomed to stopping the run all season and you face a good spread offense team it spells doom and even though I root for the WCAL this is why I say any WCAL team will get rolled by Folsom.
If you try to run the ball all game against Folsom without any type of legitimate passing attack, you will get absolutely ROLLED
Does it really matter which league is stronger? Basically top teams move on so the bottom feeders really only count for SOS and seeding to some extent. Yes playing better teams may prepare you for future games but honestly the coaching staff should be able to prepare you for tough games. Preseason workouts, Preseason schedule practice routine etc. In reality the best team doesn't always win IE; grant vs Elk Grove. If they meet in post season Grant will win. These reasons is why the games are played. 1 injury, 1 girlfriend drama, 1 player with problems at home can turn the table in any game. It's great to brag about how good your league is but if your 4th best in the best league in the nation and don't make post season who cares. On the flip side if your in the poo-poo league and make post season you could get it done. SMH@ well we're 3rd best in the best league so we must be better than you. As well as well we beat the blue team who smashed the green team who barely lost to the yellow team who beat you by 14 so obviously we would beat you guys by 10 points just look at the proof! LOL
Interesting to see that Mitty and Riordan now have the spread offense, while Serra is also emphasizing the pass more this season. Bells coach was quoted as saying that they don't pass much, but when they do they want to make it count."
Last year MAYBE...This year they run the ball ALOT. This is how they have been able to control the clock so well this year.
They must be tired of fans and parents complaining about the lack of offensive production. It gets kind of old when your qb throws a total of 5 passes per game. The athletes dont get utilized and the only one that gets the shine is the running back. For instance St Francis has a big time receiver who I think is just as good as Collin Johnson from VC named Darius Thomas who was the CCS highjump champ last year who doesnt get balls thrown his way at all. In my eyes that is a complete waste of talent. Just lob it up and he will grab it with his leaping ability! There have been plenty of others in the past that would have helped the passing game out tremendously!
Fair enough, but still don't think it's that easy. Maybe with all the regional games (which I hate anyway) it will help. I mean last year who's to say SHP wasn't the best team in NorCal? I don't know? Hell 5 days ago I thought Grant was better than EG (probably in the minority in that) and if they didn't play I would have been wrong. So what do I know
I'm talking about overall league and section strength, not individual team rankings. That's always been more of a crapshoot.
SFL has the best team, Folsom, and the WCAL has the worst team, SHC. The other teams in between you can say are pretty close most years. SFL has the edge currently.
And the only people still saying Riordan will get "rolled" by Serra and Bellarmine haven't seen them play yet this season. I saw them play Mitty in person and have seen Serra and Bellarmine. They may lose (I don't think they will IMO) but Riordan will not get "rolled" trust me.
Riordan is not hype, they are legit. Have you even seen Riordan play this season? In case you haven't, Serra did not roll Riordan.
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