DLS 2015 Schedule

[TedSmithers]

Originally posted by G61:


They lost most of their team. Did you see how many players got D1 scholarships this year!? Cole Thompson is going to Harvard. Class act.

They did not have an overwhelming junior class[/B] like other schools did. Therefore, their schedule reflects. I don't think they "overscheduled" or "underscheduled."

Using this line of reasoning (ie. not having a good/talented junior class), it brings to question the following:

Why didn't Folsom beat DLS back in 2013?

...especially with a loaded junior class consisting of the ever-so famed Jake Browning, a stacked O-line, and a dominating Defense.

NorCal Championship

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[G61]

Big difference going ALL juniors against nearly ALL seniors with DLS.

The tables were turned in 2014 and DLS ducked Folsom.

We called...they ducked

 

[G61]

I want one of you DLS HOMERS to answer a taboo question for me regarding your QB last year...

How in the world in the year 2015, can a school like DLS not find a real quaterback that can throw the ball at least 10 yards down the field!? This isn't the 1960's with the veer option! lol

With nearly every Bay Area kid to choose from and transport to school via BART, you're telling me there is no competent QB willing to go to DLS? I don't buy it... What's up!?

Or is it..."We will just find someone to hand the ball off."- Said Bear Bryant in 1975.

 

[TedSmithers]

Originally posted by G61:

Big difference going ALL juniors against nearly ALL seniors with DLS.

The tables were turned in 2014 and DLS ducked Folsom.

We called...they ducked

Seriously, is that your answer?....You're doing a disservice to the Folsom program.

 

[G61]

Do you expect some elaborate reason for why Folsom lost a game 2 years ago? If so, I don't have one. Folsom was loaded with underclassman, playing against a senior heavy DLS team. That is as simple as it gets.

When Folsom was at their peak, DLS ducked them...Plain and simple.

 

[mshNASTY]

G61 - Speaking of being ducked, will you answer the question? "Do you consider yourself to be a homer?"

 

[Paloma]

Any word on these dates yet? Wonder if this will force them out of Pitt's Jamboree.

And unless G61 is a coach at Folsom I don't think he is doing any one but himself a disservice. He is happy for his school's *state championship. And has that right until the 2015 state championships come around. I say brag all you want. I think calling out DLS is whack though. I'd call out the commisioner of the SJS for taking away Folsom's chance to play them when you were at your peak. The automatic State Open bid is a joke.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Is this a Folsom thread or does G61 just make everything a Folsom thread?

Despite my screen name, no one on the national forums supported Folsom more than me over the last couple of years. I think they had a great team last year (and good ones in '12 and '13). I don't know who would have won, but all the objective evidence points to DLS.

G61 says 41-20 Folsom. DLS's defense hasn't allowed 40 points since 1977 (CC scored on a KO return and Folsom doesn't have anyone remotely like McKinley). Let's call Folsom at 41 a stretch.

On the other hand, DLS didn't score less than 35 in any game last year, scored 63 on the Pac5 champs/ #1 team in SoCal, and averaged 47 in the prior 2 meetings with a less explosive offense and starters playing about 2 1/2 quarters. Let's call 20 a stretch also.

These last 3 Folsom teams just don't match up very well to DLS. I know Folsom became a lot more physical last year, but that gap was enormous in the '12/'13 games. I think odds would have been extremely low that Folsom is able to stymie last year's offense (maybe the best OL in DLS history). The DLS QB (whichever one you want to use) is way more capable than you're describing, but DLS doesn't throw a lot of passes because they don't need to. I think they score AT LEAST 40 on last year's Folsom team even if they played with a rule that DLS isn't even allowed to pass. Folsom did not demonstrate any ability to stop DLS in the prior 2 meetings and Browning can't help Folsom there.

On offense, Browning is exactly the type of pocket passer that DLS eats up. He'd be more of a threat to DLS if he was half the passer and twice the runner. Zach Kline was more highly regarded than Browning coming out of HS (#2 in country at rivals, ie) and he scored exactly 3 points off DLS's 1st team in 2 meetings his senior year. Josh Rosen and Travis Waller are both more highly rated in Browning's class and DLS played both of them -- true, they lost to Rosen's team, but that had more to do with the 30 other transfers SJB had and double digit D1 studs, than Rosen, as DLS only allowed SJB 20 points (and Browning didn't have NEAR the weapons on offense that Rosen had -- skill positions or protection.

I like Folsom. Maybe they would have won. They didn't want the regional game, which probably cost DLS some pieces of the MNC last year -- or at least the objective evidence suggests that DLS would win. The game isn't going to happen, though, so let's let it go or start a different thread titled "DLS v Folsom '14"

 

[G61]

Alright mshnasty,

I am zoned in on your question now...

Do I consider myself a homer? Somewhat, yes. Believe it or not, I go and see tons of different games and teams play every year. It isn't all about Folsom, although I do live here. I love the people, the community.

I DO feel like I am more objective than MOST of the Bay Area homer on here. It was never my intent to come off as a Folsom homer, it was rather to bring up some serious questions about the status quo in high school football in/around the Bay Area. I feel like many of the SJS teams are discounted (Folsom, and others), despite being pretty awesome some years. It is always, "Well you're not better than DLS, so ha!" I really hate that mentality.

We had a great year last year. A great run. We had the best passer in high school history. It was fun to watch.

Despite bagging on DLS, I thoroughly enjoy watching them every year. I just hate the "Bay Area reigns supreme mentality" that comes along with it.

Answer your question?

 

[G61]

DLSPop1314,
Good post. At least your were somewhat objective with good information on both sides...

One thing I wanted to point out...You stated DLS hasn't given up 40 points since 1977. That is NOT TRUE. They gave up 42 points to Centennial Corona in this year's title game.

Folsom was a better team than CC. They would have scored more points than 42, as CC did. Folsom's defense was much better than CC's. Folsom would have NEVER given up 62 points to DLS.
This post was edited on 3/4 2:04 PM by G61

 

[G61]

DLSPop,
Another thing you mentioned was more/less an excuse for CC scoring so many points on DLS. "They had fast kids!" is not an excuse and shouldn't be used as an argument that Folsom couldn't have possibly score that many points.

"DLS eats up pocket passers!" is also not valid. Browning is a lot more mobile than people give him credit for. He would have held is own. He just HAPPENS TO BE the national passing king.

And your QB...All you can say is he is "more capable than you describe." C'mon man, what does that mean!? He can throw the ball 10 yards and POSSIBLY throw a spiral from time to time? Please... Don't sugar coat it. He is terrible.

Let be real here people...

This post was edited on 3/4 2:19 PM by G61

 

[mshNASTY]

G61- Thank you for the honest and thoughtful reply...

 

[DLSPop1314]

Originally posted by G61:


DLSPop1314,
Good post. At least your were somewhat objective with good information on both sides...

One thing I wanted to point out...You stated DLS hasn't given up 40 points since 1977. That is NOT TRUE. They gave up 42 points to Centennial Corona in this year's title game.

Folsom was a better team than CC. They would have scored more points than 42, as CC did. Folsom's defense was much better than CC's. Folsom would have NEVER given up 62 points to DLS.

This post was edited on 3/4 2:04 PM by G61

I said the DLS defense hasn't allowed 40 points since 1977 and further clarified by pointing out that CC scored on a KO return by a guy that is going to be playing on Sundays (and Folsom doesn't have on their roster) -- that's the first time the DLS TEAM has allowed 40 since '77 and one of the TDs came via ST.

I'm not sure if Folsom was a better team than CC -- I think that would be a great game. Unlike Mark Tennis, who I think had CC #2 in state even after SBG loss, I would have given Folsom the nod there, but more based on CC's other losses (BG and Mater Dei) than their loss to DLS.

I think Folsom was a legit top 10 national team last year, maybe top 5. I still think DLS is horrible match-up for them (Folsom will struggle more on offense vs an elite DL than elite DBs IMHO, because Browning is so good, if he has time, he'll beat you -- you have to put pressure on him and DLS DL the last few years has been elite (2 guys with Alabama offers right now). When DLS has the ball, Folsom has not been physical enough to stop the veer, and with last year's DLS OL, it'd be a real high bar for Folsom to have improved enough in that area to assume holding DLS to 20.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Originally posted by G61:


DLSPop,
Another thing you mentioned was more/less an excuse for CC scoring so many points on DLS. "They had fast kids!" is not an excuse and shouldn't be used as an argument that Folsom couldn't have possibly score that many points.

You're putting words in my mouth -- my only reference to CC having fast kids was crediting an athlete for their KO return TD. That said, if CC and Folsom lined up, CC would win the "athlete" battle.

"DLS eats up pocket passers!" is also not valid. Browning is a lot more mobile than people give him credit for. He would have held is own. He just HAPPENS TO BE the national passing king.

Browning is not mobile -- or at least he wasn't remotely mobile as a sophomore and junior. I'm not talking about sidestepping a rusher, I'm talking about tucking the ball under his arm and taking off. He had 28 carries for 49 yards in 16 games last year -- that's 4 yards per GAME.

And your QB...All you can say is he is "more capable than you describe." C'mon man, what does that mean!? He can throw the ball 10 yards and POSSIBLY throw a spiral from time to time? Please... Don't sugar coat it. He is terrible.

Which QB are you even referring to:



Sweeney, the erstwhile starter and team captain as a junior (rare at DLS), that missed most of the season, and has the coaches confidence to be one of the best veer QBs in DLS history.Vanderklugt, the back-up QB who wound up taking most of the snaps in '14 (and, IMHO, likely won't play QB again -- although there's at least one DLS guy that disagrees), who led his team to a 15-0 record.Devin Asiasi, the 6'5", 253#er, that finished the SBG after Vanderklugt got hurt.
One is a veer guru -- can't compare him to Browning. Browning has far superior passing skills, but likely wouldn't beat Sweeney out for the starting job at DLS, because they're looking for different and varied skills.

One is a backup QB, filling in, and will likely be a good WR this year

One has a lot better college options than Browning had -- albeit it at a different position than the one he was 3rd string for.

 

[G61]

Comparing ANY DLS QB's to Browning or even mentioning them in the same sentence is an absolute travesty.

Browning was on a whole other planet from ANY OTHER QB this year.

Tell your "veer specialist" QB to work on his throwing. No colleges care about the veer anymore. It is not 1977.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Originally posted by G61:


Comparing ANY DLS QB's to Browning or even mentioning them in the same sentence is an absolute travesty.

Browning was on a whole other planet from ANY OTHER QB this year.

Tell your "veer specialist" QB to work on his throwing. No colleges care about the veer anymore. It is not 1977.

Are DLS and Folsom HS's or colleges?

What colleges think of a kid matters little to me, and it ought to matter little to you (unless you believe Graves was NOT the national POY in '10 and instead not in the top 2,000 to 3,000 players, because there were that many kids that colleges valued more)

 

[NCSF]

G61- No offense to Browning but he absolutely sucked against DLS. He was not mobile and made poor decisions against them. Next item- CC scored early and often because they spread guys out and had as fast a team as you will see in high school football but once the defense adjusted to the speed and made technical adjustments, they slowed them down and created turnovers. Folsom's brand of Football doesn't propose that problem at all and DLS would have handled them just like they did the last two years.

Regarding the DLS QB situation. No he couldn't pass. That said, Folsom would not be able to adjust to the quickness of the DLS OL and how quick the backs hit the hole. It would be a 42-21 game at the closest. And no, I'm not a homer but I watched both teams and DO know football better than you. Not personal , I just do.

This post was edited on 3/4 5:33 PM by NCSF

 

[G61]

NCSF,
Did you ever watch a Folsom game? They ran the SPREAD just like CC. No doubt CC had some speedsters, but Folsom had some great players (7 D1 signings alone).

Folsom's defense was better than CC.

You are judging Browning on his sophomore and junior campaign with primarily underclassman as his supporting cast. Small sample size. Look at his body of overall work. NATIONAL and STATE ALL TIME PASSING LEADER.

It is sad he didn't get the chance to match up against DLS his senior year when Folsom was at it's peak. Such a shame...

 

[_Molon_Labe_]

I think it's hilarious, yet highly entertaining, that this thread went from DLS' 2015 schedule to debating over a mythical 'coulda-woulda-shoulda' Folsom win over DLS, despite the fact that they got rolled on by a combined 96-32 the previous 2 years. Let me get this straight... The theory behind the justification for Folsom's matrix-alternate-universe "win" is that even though Folsom lobbied NOT to have a NorCal Regional Open div. playoff game, DLS ducked Folsom in the ONLY year that Folsom would've beat them? Amazing. Seems like even with unbiased and/or non-objective opinions, logic does not prevail... It's like trying to reason with a bag of hair.

This post was edited on 3/4 9:47 PM by _Molon_Labe_

 

[Plaindriver]

Originally posted by G61:

I want one of you DLS HOMERS to answer a taboo question for me regarding your QB last year...

How in the world in the year 2015, can a school like DLS not find a real quaterback that can throw the ball at least 10 yards down the field!? This isn't the 1960's with the veer option! lol

With nearly every Bay Area kid to choose from and transport to school via BART, you're telling me there is no competent QB willing to go to DLS? I don't buy it... What's up!?

Or is it..."We will just find someone to hand the ball off."- Said Bear Bryant in 1975.

Because DLS just plays the hand they are dealt. If they really did recruit, they would have the all world QB every single yr.
Browner was a decent HS QB, but you guys played a lot of pupcakes and had padding the QBs stats and a large MOV as your primary objective. I believe Folsom thought that a large average MOV would help rebuild their stature in teh HS FB world after their two previous EOY games. That it would somehow get them back on the same tier that DLS has occupied for the past 25 or so yrs. And doing that with QBs that cant even throw the ball 5 yds down field.

CAMPOLINDO 2014 CALIFORNIA STATE CHAMPIONS

 

[G61]

First off, it is not Browner, it is BROWNING.

Also, padding stats!? Are you kidding me!? They ran the spread offense. This kid hardly EVER played into the 4th quarter. Can you imagine his numbers if this kid played entire games!?

Just more DLS people upset because another team was considered great in their own backyard. More people trying to discount the records that BROWNING set. If you don't know or want to bury it, here it is- HE SET THE STATE AND NATIONAL ALL TIME PASSING RECORDS

 

[SpartanzRule]

Haha! The real question is that can you imagine how many points the Spartans would've scored against Folsom if their starters played the whole game?! DLS got to 50 twice with starters out halfway through the third...with lesser offenses than what DLS had in '14. Folsom score d1 TD(ONE!!!!...lol!) on DLS's first team defense in 2 games. And suddenly Folsom would have turned it around this year and beaten a Spartan team that was at least as good if not better than the previous two?!! Go back to the land of misfit Folsom fans(population 1) because you've said nothing to convince anyone that this year would've been no different than previous years.
Folsom 2014 State Champs

....Layyyyyyy-aim.

 

[aztecpadre]

Originally posted by G61:
First off, it is not Browner, it is BROWNING.

Also, padding stats!? Are you kidding me!? They ran the spread offense. This kid hardly EVER played into the 4th quarter. Can you imagine his numbers if this kid played entire games!?

Just more DLS people upset because another team was considered great in their own backyard. More people trying to discount the records that BROWNING set. If you don't know or want to bury it, here it is- HE SET THE STATE AND NATIONAL ALL TIME PASSING RECORDS

Folsom is famous for padding the stats for their QB's. That brown guy played just about EVERY game well into the 4th quarter and ALWAYS passed no matter how many Folsom was up by. You can not be serious that they do not love them some padding of the stats.

 

[DLSPop1314]

Originally posted by aztecpadre:

That brown guy

LOL

 

[SpartanzRule]

This IS pretty good!

 

[thehookup55]

Originally posted by G61:
NCSF,
Did you ever watch a Folsom game? They ran the SPREAD just like CC. No doubt CC had some speedsters, but Folsom had some great players (7 D1 signings alone).

This comment proves you know very little about football. The versions of the spread that CC and Folsom ran were completely different. Not all spread offenses are the same. One of the key elements to beating DLS is to have speed. Folsom had zero speed compared to CC. While Folsom did have some great players they didnt have anyone with standout speed. CC had some really athletic QBs that hurt DLS in the first half. Brownie is not a threat to run the ball at all.

 

[G61]

So many excuses for why DLS gave up 42 POINTS TO A TEAM WITH TWO LOSSES!!!! Folsom would have put 60 on DLS!!!

And Browning always played into the 4th quarter and padded stats? Really? Go watch their games. Turn on the Granite Bay game where he threw one pass the whole 1st quarter, and sat out the 4th!!!!! Hows that for padding stats!? And this was against one of the best teams in their league. Imagine if he would have played all game, every game! And he STILL SET NATIONAL RECORDS.

If a QB from DLS set all the records that Browning did (and got a full ride to Washington), all of you would be hailing him as Jesus. The "homerism" is unreal. Some of you need jobs...badly.

You homers just cant accept the fact that there was ANOTHER TEAM in Norcal that would have beat DLS. The thought of it makes you sick. I just love it.

Oh by the way, Folsom-2014 State Champs!!!

 

[G61]

LOL, so now the excuse for giving up 42 points to a team with 2 losses that runs the spread just like Folsom, is that it is "a different spread!?" This shows how much you do not know about football.

Everything is an excuse to say that Folsom could not have possibly beaten DLS. That is a very arrogant attitude for a team that gave up 42 points to a team with multiple losses along with a QB that cannot throw the ball 10 yards!

 

[SpartanzRule]

CC would hang 70 Folsom, seriously. Folsom had never seen a offense as physical and tough as DLS. Look what happened...TWICE. Folsom has NEVER seen an offense like CC's. EVER. Do you honestly think(with a straight face)that the Folsom defense, who were playing nobodys all season long(including their SBG), would suddenly be able to adjust to the speed of CC? Not a chance. I don't care if CC had 2 losses. The teams CC lost to would likely beat Folsom as well. I've seen Folsom play. They are good, but they aren't as good as you think they are. And until they actually beat somebody worth a damn(because they haven't yet), they'll always be the poster child for being overrated. And you act like it was some disgrace to give up 42 to CC. Question for you. Are you ever going to bring any facts to the table to prove your point, or just keep giving worthless opinions and machine gun emoticons?

 

[Paloma]

Good for you G61! You are basically using the same bias, lack of reason and logic that De La Salle fans use EVERY TIME when anyone says anything negative about dls. Just keep spewing your support for your school. DLS fans deserve a taste of their own medicine.

I think you're wrong about them beating DLS (I say DLS would've beat them by two td's minimum) but I like how you are refusing to acknowledge that you may be wrong. THAT is the De La Salle fan way.

 

[G61]

You have a point there.

I have NEVER seen a DLS fan ever write anything admitting anything negative or saying they would lose. Ever. To them, it is more impossible than me making the 49ers as a walk on QB

Folsom 2014 STATE CHAMPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Plaindriver]

Dino Graves was better than Browner, and what is Dino doing these days??

 

[G61]

Per the stats, NO ONE was better than Browning

 

[thehookup55]

I never even said anything about the CC DLS score. I just said you need speed to beat DLS which folsom doesnt have. The variations of the spread that CC and Folsom ran were different. Does Wash st and Oregon run the same offense? No they dont. I guess since CC and Folsom had 3-4 WRs on the field and were in the shotgun they run the exact same offense. Good call G61.

I have no issue with you thinking Folsom would have beat DLS. They might have who knows. Im not a DLS fan so it doesnt bother me. I support one of the teams that hasnt lost everytime to DLS during the norcal unbeaten streak. I actually really liked watching Folsom play. I travel up to Wash a few times during the football season so if Brownie wins the starting job ill get to watch him play.

This post was edited on 3/6 9:16 AM by thehookup55

 

[G61]

Speed can be a bit overrated. Folsom had 6-7 weapons on offense. 9 D1 scholarships!? I mean, c'mon. You are discounting Folsom again. They were great last year.

Browning will do well at Washington in Chris Peterson's offense (former Boise State coach). I am excited to watch!

 

[thehookup55]

I agree that speed can be overrated. This was one of the fastest DLS teams though so i think you would need it to beat them. Just my opinion.
Deguara was my favorite Folsom WR. Kid was big athletic and just caught everything thrown his way. Im surprised he didnt get more offers. Kind of a tweener for positions. A little undersize for TE and maybe not fast enough for WR. Either way he is a good football player.

Peterson has never really had a QB with the resume Brownie has so it will be interesting to see how he utilizes him if he gets on the field for them. He also wont be running Folsoms offense so i dont expect record breaking numbers from him ever.

 

[G61]

Deguara is a stud on the basketball team too.

He is headed to Sac State for football. I am excited he is staying local so I can watch him play!

 

[aztecpadre]

Originally posted by thehookup55:
I never even said anything about the CC DLS score. I just said you need speed to beat DLS which folsom doesnt have. The variations of the spread that CC and Folsom ran were different. Does Wash st and Oregon run the same offense? No they dont. I guess since CC and Folsom had 3-4 WRs on the field and were in the shotgun they run the exact same offense. Good call G61.

I have no issue with you thinking Folsom would have beat DLS. They might have who knows. Im not a DLS fan so it doesnt bother me. I support one of the teams that hasnt lost everytime to DLS during the norcal unbeaten streak. I actually really liked watching Folsom play. I travel up to Wash a few times during the football season so if Brownie wins the starting job ill get to watch him play.

This post was edited on 3/6 9:16 AM by thehookup55

LOL. Dont bother.

 

[G61]

Browning will probably tear it up at Washington as a freshman and all of you DLS homers will be like, "He is from norcal!" Tryin to take credit discreetly...LOL

 

[GloryDays98]

You DLS homers just hate facts.

I've seen enough smiley face machine guns and median income statistics to know that Folsom would have DRILLED DLS last year.

Browner and those other guys were super smiley face machine gunny.

Can't argue with that!!!