Fair play to pay
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What’s next, including high schoolers and maybe Jr. High kids in this too? Newsome is taking a wrecking ball to amateur sports. Look what has happened with the Olympics over the past 30 years!
This will get tied up in the courts for the next 5 years, so stay tuned. By then Newsome will be off running for President as that is all he cares about anyway.
He’s flushing various aspects of CA down the toilet while climbing the political ladder.
This will get tied up in the courts for the next 5 years, so stay tuned. By then Newsome will be off running for President as that is all he cares about anyway.
He’s flushing various aspects of CA down the toilet while climbing the political ladder.
He's the only person that I know of too have gone through sex and alcohol rehabilitation (not aware those were combined) yet claims to still be able to drink socially.
Why is it nobody cares about any other person or kid being able to profit off of their own likeness, but all of a sudden if the person is athletic and 23 or younger people are outraged?
How will the future law (2023) affect recruiting, pro and con, for the few sports that would feel a serious impact (men's basketball and football) from it?
How many California colleges would the law actually affect in the long run?
How many other states will wind up doing what California is doing?
Will the NCAA try to exclude the California schools (and those from other states with similar laws) from national competition?
Didn't an ex-UCLA basketball player sue the NCAA on a similar matter and lose? Is that even relevant now?
How much money are we talking about here?
What about the guys and gals who don't get paid a dime (the vast majority)? How does the disparity affect a team's situation?
Does a coach favor a paid player or play an unpaid serf who might be more effective?
Will agents have significant say once pay becomes a reality?
What happens when a player is being paid more than the coach?
How many California colleges would the law actually affect in the long run?
How many other states will wind up doing what California is doing?
Will the NCAA try to exclude the California schools (and those from other states with similar laws) from national competition?
Didn't an ex-UCLA basketball player sue the NCAA on a similar matter and lose? Is that even relevant now?
How much money are we talking about here?
What about the guys and gals who don't get paid a dime (the vast majority)? How does the disparity affect a team's situation?
Does a coach favor a paid player or play an unpaid serf who might be more effective?
Will agents have significant say once pay becomes a reality?
What happens when a player is being paid more than the coach?
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1 and done in the NBA is almost assuredly ending in 2021 or 2022, so this law is irrelevant for the NBA.
It was former Bruin hoopster Ed O’Bannon who sued the NCAA. Also former SRV & ASU/Nebraska QB Sam Keller filed a similar lawsuit against the NCAA and EA Sports.
Watch "Gavin Newsom signs California's 'Fair Pay to Play Act' with LeBron James & Mav Carter | THE SHOP" on YouTube
LeBron didn’t even play college hoops. How is this his baby?
College athletic scholarships are getting more valuable by the day, and worth hundreds of thousands over the course of the 4-5 years most D1 athletes are in school. “Student athletes” now competing for Brand $$ in college with all the associated implications will ruin what’s left of college sports.
Check back with me in 10 years if this law becomes the norm in the US.
And funny to see such compassion for somebody not being able to capitalize on profit opportunities. Newsome and his ilk typically demonize the concept of profit while they are busy redistributing California ‘s wealth. Like everything else they touch, college sports in CA will never be the same.
I don’t live in California, could not care less about Newsome.
Anyways, I also find it funny that people that typically extol the values of the free market suddenly love regulations when it comes to sports. All of a sudden people that are supposedly all about meritocracy care about the effects this could have on athletes that aren’t the cream of the crop.
Who needs regulations in sports? Referees? Silly- give all that money spent on officials to the kids!
Amateur sports have a huge following in large part because they are played by amateurs. Any athlete who can't live with the fact that their talent is contributing $$ to whatever college they play for can always choose to do something else with their time. No good will come of this movement for those of us who love amateur sports as we've always known them to be. I stopped watching the NBA completely 15 years ago after the Bird/Magic/Jordan era was handed over to the Allen Iverson crowd, and pro football is pushing me in the same direction. This law promotes the worst influences on team sports- individualism, posturing and keeping track of who makes and displays the most bank.
I'm out- I think this law sucks.
So everybody in the U.S. is allowed to look out for themselves unless your talent happens to be athleticism? That’s garbage.
People are always looking to bend the system to their advantage. The current rules and this new law won't stop that from happening.
IMO, I think this is a good move. I don't see a reason why a player can't profit off NIL. This seems like a good middle ground in the amateurism fight.
IMO, I think this is a good move. I don't see a reason why a player can't profit off NIL. This seems like a good middle ground in the amateurism fight.
Free ride to college where tuition, room & board can run $60k ++ per year and the chance to showcase your talent to parlay into a possible pro career? I'm having trouble seeing the punitive aspect. If you want to get paid to play, then skip college and that platform and find another way into pro sports if you can.
Most of us who attend college pay for the pleasure, and for the opportunity to get a degree in the hopes of finding a job and building a successful career. And most of us would gladly trade places with all of these D1 athletes just for the experience and opportunity to play on the big stage, yet these kids have been made out to be the victims in this argument.
Your username seems to indicate you were a D1 linebacker. Is that the case? Did you earn a scholarship?
I was a walk-on and earned a partial scholarship after my Freshman year. All in it covered about 40% of my expenses for Soph-Sr. years. Can't say I felt cheated and wouldn't trade a minute for any amount of cash 30 years later.
It’s a beginning but it will not benefit many players. Companies will pick the best and pay them, you still have to wear what the school has signed to wear so I’m not sure how much money will really be made. It will benefit the kids that are most likely going to turn pro anyway. It’s doesn’t do anything for kids that really need the money.
I am fascinated to see how this plays out. There are a lot of twists and turns with this. If enough other states start to do the same thing then the NCAA is going to need to get on board with this.
However I could easily see the California NCAA affiliated schools having all athletes sign a waiver of some sort, that says they will comply with the NCAA rules and Regulations and if they don't they will lose there scholarship and/or be forced to leave the institution.
As written it gives every university in CA a recruiting advantage in every sport. Popular athletes will have better opportunities to make more money, but even members of the girls volleyball team at Cal State Monterey Bay, can put on a for profit summer volleyball camp. Not for the university but for themselves. That is not a bad thing.
However I could easily see the California NCAA affiliated schools having all athletes sign a waiver of some sort, that says they will comply with the NCAA rules and Regulations and if they don't they will lose there scholarship and/or be forced to leave the institution.
As written it gives every university in CA a recruiting advantage in every sport. Popular athletes will have better opportunities to make more money, but even members of the girls volleyball team at Cal State Monterey Bay, can put on a for profit summer volleyball camp. Not for the university but for themselves. That is not a bad thing.
I never made any claims about anything being punitive. Never said anything about players being victims. Those are just common goal post shifting tactics in this debate, so I am going to go ahead and bring the goal posts back to my actual point.
*moves goal posts back*
There we go. Anyways, In no other industry and in no other college club/organization do people have to give up their right to profit off of their own likeness. So why should college athletes have to do this?
LeBron's life is now all about California. His son is a freshman at Sierra Canyon, he plays for the Lakers as well all of the business' he is involved with. I think he sees this as an opportunity to really extend his sphere of influence on sports which will then add to his business portfolio.
To comply with the fine print contained in their scholarship agreement perhaps? And your statement that in no other industry do people have to give up their right to profit off their own likeliness, have you ever signed an agreement for any tv or commercial production? People sign away their rights all the time. My sister was on a hidden camera show, and immediately after they filmed her segment (without her knowing it was a put-on for tv) they had her sign a disclaimer that included forfeiting rights to profits related to their use of her in the segment. Happens all the time, and that scholly ain't free. I know we had a contract we had to sign and comply with each year in order to stay in compliance, including ethics, academics and amateur status (we had a 2 hour lecture each year detailing what was kosher with Boosters and what wasn't for instance.)
I am asking the question if student athletes SHOULD have to sign away the rights to their own likeness; so this “that’s how things work” argument is pretty meaningless in this context. That would be like if someone asked me if I feel people SHOULD go to prison for having marijuana and I simply responded with, “well marijuana is illegal, so if you have it on you you go to jail. If you don’t want to go to jail for marijuana don’t have marijuana”. Just an empty response that doesn’t address the real question in any way.
Likewise the “the scholarships are worth $X”, is also meaningless. I am not claiming they should profit off of their likeness because the scholarships aren’t valuable.
As far as your examples, athletes can’t profit off their likeness at all. As far as I know, appearing in a commercial or hidden camera show doesn’t mean you forfeit your rights to your likeness at all for some predetermined length of time. It’s not like if I end up on a hidden camera show or Commercial I can parlay that in to money as long as I don’t reference those things.
Anyways, it’s pretty obvious you aren’t going to go beyond regurgitating the way things work, and create the straw man arguments to respond to. So if there is nothing else we can go ahead and end this, as it’s not productive.
Before I provide my take, I’d like to preface by acknowledging that I’m fully aware that I don’t have an expert understanding of every aspect of NCAA bylaws or amateur rules, etc. nor would I pretend to have all the answers. Just giving my .02 cents.
I like this new law. Not because it’s foolproof or even close to the right answer to solve all issues. But I feel if CA didn’t do what it’s just done, the NCAA was never going to change. They’ve been biding their time for decades as it is. Something had to happen to force change IMO.
The NCAA is a Billion dollar business, whose revenue is largely driven by football and basketball. For decades, the fat cats associated with the NCAA have been raking in billions of dollars from the hard work of its student-athletes and their performances and likenesses. The fact that the NCAA is even considered a ‘non-profit’ is beyond ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, nobody can convince me that scholarships are an equal trade for the billions of dollars generated by the student-athletes that receive them. The NCAA has had the far better end of that deal since its inception. IMO it’s far past time for it to stop. And I believe this new legislation, along with other states that adopt something similar, will force change.
I’m for student-athletes eventually receiving compensation for all the $$$ they help to generate. But not all of it paid out to them while they are in school.
I’d prefer to see a trust situation wherein all of the $$$ generated from all of the sports programs of a particular school are divided among each of the student-athletes and distributed as a monthly stipend (reasonable amount) for cost of living expenses and for leisure activities (added to the small amount they already receive). The remainder of the $$$ to be paid out to the student-athlete upon graduation, declaring pro or via medical waiver.
If an athlete is able to make supplemental $$$ off his/her likeness — above and beyond what the school generates in TV and merchandise revenues — then the athlete is required to setup an additional trust in their name to follow the same circumstances outlined above. Or add it the existing trust.
The above would allow the student-athletes to reasonably benefit from the $$$ while in school but also prevent them from living in excess. Then once they leave school for whatever reasons, they are fully compensated with what they earned.
I realize the above is a simplistic overview and doesn’t provide answers for how to make it all work, but I truly feel individuals a lot smarter than me could figure out how to make it work.
The main ideas are to compensate these student-athletes for their likeness and the interest they help generate via their performances, but to keep it safe from them sans a monthly stipend until they are finished with school one way or another.
But circling back to CA’s new legislation, I believe it is an important first step to create some kind of change. Whatever it ends up to be.
I like this new law. Not because it’s foolproof or even close to the right answer to solve all issues. But I feel if CA didn’t do what it’s just done, the NCAA was never going to change. They’ve been biding their time for decades as it is. Something had to happen to force change IMO.
The NCAA is a Billion dollar business, whose revenue is largely driven by football and basketball. For decades, the fat cats associated with the NCAA have been raking in billions of dollars from the hard work of its student-athletes and their performances and likenesses. The fact that the NCAA is even considered a ‘non-profit’ is beyond ridiculous to me.
Furthermore, nobody can convince me that scholarships are an equal trade for the billions of dollars generated by the student-athletes that receive them. The NCAA has had the far better end of that deal since its inception. IMO it’s far past time for it to stop. And I believe this new legislation, along with other states that adopt something similar, will force change.
I’m for student-athletes eventually receiving compensation for all the $$$ they help to generate. But not all of it paid out to them while they are in school.
I’d prefer to see a trust situation wherein all of the $$$ generated from all of the sports programs of a particular school are divided among each of the student-athletes and distributed as a monthly stipend (reasonable amount) for cost of living expenses and for leisure activities (added to the small amount they already receive). The remainder of the $$$ to be paid out to the student-athlete upon graduation, declaring pro or via medical waiver.
If an athlete is able to make supplemental $$$ off his/her likeness — above and beyond what the school generates in TV and merchandise revenues — then the athlete is required to setup an additional trust in their name to follow the same circumstances outlined above. Or add it the existing trust.
The above would allow the student-athletes to reasonably benefit from the $$$ while in school but also prevent them from living in excess. Then once they leave school for whatever reasons, they are fully compensated with what they earned.
I realize the above is a simplistic overview and doesn’t provide answers for how to make it all work, but I truly feel individuals a lot smarter than me could figure out how to make it work.
The main ideas are to compensate these student-athletes for their likeness and the interest they help generate via their performances, but to keep it safe from them sans a monthly stipend until they are finished with school one way or another.
But circling back to CA’s new legislation, I believe it is an important first step to create some kind of change. Whatever it ends up to be.
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I certinally like the part about all the athletes getting a share. Without the 95% of the rank and file players who make up the team, there would not be superstars and future pros.
Here's wishing you great football
Agree completely! It’s the best sport in all of the US because you don’t have the pay me more individualism. Stopped enjoying NBA when Shaq was running down the court during a game yelling “Pay me!” at the GM. Those that don’t think this will go Title IX are extremely naive. Are you going to make money on your name, image and likeness in your t-shirt and jeans or in the uniform of the University you play for? If it’s your University then it’s open to Title IX.
T-shirt and jeans for sure, just like the pros. Rodgers doesn’t do State Farm commercials with his Packers gear on.
To my understanding the law does not force schools to pay any players but simply allows them to profit off their image, likeness and / or name. GREAT ****ing law if you ask me. Let's welcome everyone to the 21st Century!
Yeah, if a school is raking in the cash off my likeness, I should be compensated for it. There comes a point in time where the money I am generating the school exceed the value of the total education I am being provided.
Example:
Randy Moss brought in (and probably still brings in) some kind of money to Marshall University. Moss' likeness and name is probably more recognizable than Marshall Football is as a brand at this point. It's only right that Randy be able to receive a cut of that money. Schools will fire back by saying that they stand to lose a ton by cashing out the athletes who's likenesses they are using but in all reality they would not be able to profit off that athlete's likeness had s/he opted to attend school elsewhere. So, are they REALLY losing out on money? No. They're being forced to be fair here and the NCAA is mad about it.
Will this open the door for $20k handshakes. Yes. But it will also open the door for Cal's third string RS Senior QB to promote himself as such and make a little pocket money giving a QB Lessons to a kid on the side. It will open the door for that Student-Athlete at Stanford with a great business idea that may tie back into athletics to act on it in the moment while his or her star is shining brightest rather than having to put it off a few years.
Yeah, if a school is raking in the cash off my likeness, I should be compensated for it. There comes a point in time where the money I am generating the school exceed the value of the total education I am being provided.
Example:
Randy Moss brought in (and probably still brings in) some kind of money to Marshall University. Moss' likeness and name is probably more recognizable than Marshall Football is as a brand at this point. It's only right that Randy be able to receive a cut of that money. Schools will fire back by saying that they stand to lose a ton by cashing out the athletes who's likenesses they are using but in all reality they would not be able to profit off that athlete's likeness had s/he opted to attend school elsewhere. So, are they REALLY losing out on money? No. They're being forced to be fair here and the NCAA is mad about it.
Will this open the door for $20k handshakes. Yes. But it will also open the door for Cal's third string RS Senior QB to promote himself as such and make a little pocket money giving a QB Lessons to a kid on the side. It will open the door for that Student-Athlete at Stanford with a great business idea that may tie back into athletics to act on it in the moment while his or her star is shining brightest rather than having to put it off a few years.
It will be great for Universities in these Top 10 TV markets
- New York (#1)
- Los Angeles (#2)
- Chicago (#3)
- Philadelphia (#4)
- Dallas-Fort Worth (#5)
- Washington, D.C. (Hagerstown) (#6)
- Houston (#7)
- San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose (#8)
- Boston (Manchester) (#9)
- Atlanta (#10)
Tua, Justin Fields, Jalen Hurts and Trevor Lawrence all play in those cities. They would get tons of endorsement deals. It’s about the players not the Colleges.
Not lost on me. Point is TV endorsement is the largest potential NIL pool and usually the largest markets pay the most.
Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski backs California’s Fair Pay To Play law https://www.yahoo.com/sports/duke-coach-mike-krzyzewski-backs-174216771.html
NFL and NBA need to eliminate the age requirement in order to save college sports. Allow players the option of going straight to the pros so they can profit off of their name, likeness, etc. If they then choose to go to college instead, they do so knowing they waive their rights to profit while they are in college. The issue now, is that some of these players don't have an alternative, more so in football where there is no minor league, D-league, overseas option. It seems baseball has it figured out in the sense that players who want/need the money can go straight to the pros and so you don't hear about any college baseball players complaining about losing out on endorsement deals.
NCAA clears way for athletes to profit from names, images and likenesses https://www.espn.com/college-sports...s-way-athletes-profit-names-images-likenesses
Which is why I said that CA’s recent move was a good thing. Because it’s forcing these NCAA bozo’s to finally do something. Which I believe was the entire point.
CA’s legislation wasn’t the final or right answer. It’s was merely a good start.
It’s the beginning of the end to amateur sports. I hope these people are proud of themselves.....
