Friday night results may cause seeding shifts

[ncshewson]

The following games from last night all could have seeding implications for the playoffs:
San Leandro beating BOD, The Pirates seem to be putting things in the right direction at the right time. BOD does not want to end up having to play Moreau early on.
Pitt upsetting Heritage, could cost Heritage a 2 seed and might put the Pirates in position to host a round 1 game.
Dublin over Dougherty, could cost Dougherty a 2 seed.
Washington over Newark Memorial, will have some type of impact, certainly for Washington.

Who is the number 2 seed in NCS D-1 right now?
Freedom
Heritage
Dougherty
Dublin
Monte Vista
all have good arguments

 

[observer22]

Although Dublin had a huge win at home last night against Dougherty, they are still a game back of the Wildcats in the DFAL standings. If they overtake or tie DV then I could see them seeded higher, but even with some impressive wins I don't see them as the #2 seed right now, as DV would have to be higher.

A lot of basketball still to be played, but last night's results muddled up the NCS seeding picture for sure except for DLS further solidifying their spot as the top seed.

 

[SmoothJay]

The following games from last night all could have seeding implications for the playoffs:
San Leandro beating BOD, The Pirates seem to be putting things in the right direction at the right time. BOD does not want to end up having to play Moreau early on.
Pitt upsetting Heritage, could cost Heritage a 2 seed and might put the Pirates in position to host a round 1 game.
Dublin over Dougherty, could cost Dougherty a 2 seed.
Washington over Newark Memorial, will have some type of impact, certainly for Washington.

Who is the number 2 seed in NCS D-1 right now?
Freedom
Heritage
Dougherty
Dublin
Monte Vista
all have good arguments

Will O'Dowd even make the playoffs? Only 8-11 with some tough games ahead. Seems strange that they're playing a prep school at the Prolific Prep event today, thought that wasn't allowed by the CIF

 

[larry legend33]

Can't recall a team falling like Odowd. I mean they aren't even good for around here. I'm with the last poster. Are they even a playoff team?

 

[infofreak]

Does strength of schedule play into seedings? MV and Dublin rate higher on that basis. I think freedom does as well.

 

[ncshewson]

Good point on BOD even being playoff eligible athough I suspect they will qualify on league and/or D3 records. 3 teams with huge dropoffs from last season, BOD, SRV state title winners and Campo state runner up.

 

[observer22]

Does strength of schedule play into seedings? MV and Dublin rate higher on that basis. I think freedom does as well.

Strength of schedule should definitely play into it. I just don't think a 2nd place team should be higher than the league champ when they play the exact same league schedule. MV vs DV is a different situation.

 

[infofreak]

Based on schedule strength of the teams above its Freedom at 2, then MV and Dublin with Heritage and DV taking up the rear. Now that Dublin and DV split in league, schedule strength favors Dublin. Interested to see how that works out for seedings if all teams take care of business from here on out.

 

[ncshewson]

Freak,I would agree with your order as of now of 2-5

 

[kiddman32]

I was at that prep game. As announced in another thread, the CIF very recently killed the O'dowd appearance, so they weren't there.

 

[infofreak]

I don't know if politics plays into seedings, but it seems that the teams that take on the tough schedules deserve some reward when it comes to post season placement. Otherwise, some teams would have the incentive to soften their schedules in order to game the system.

 

[hoopman2015]

Newark beat Washington handily last night.

 

[ncshewson]

That certainly wouldn't be the first newspaper mistake

 

[Defender4212]

If O'Dowd wins league they are automatic qualifiers. Over .500 against their division or overall record qualifies them as well.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

I have yet to see any proof that CIF recently nixed BOD's appearance. I believe that was a pipe dream by the PP people.

 

[Streak One]

What was the difference between this game for O'Dowd and when Sierra Canyon played Monteverde over MLK weekend?

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

Apparently there are rules which PP does not meet. If they didn't know the rules, they shouldn't blame CIF.

 

[Assist10]

I thought O'Dowd had two of the best players around who are being heavily recruited by the likes of Cal and some other big name schools?

 

[Stance1]

Will O'Dowd even make the playoffs? Only 8-11 with some tough games ahead. Seems strange that they're playing a prep school at the Prolific Prep event today, thought that wasn't allowed by the CIF

I believe the qualification rule is that you just have to be .500 or better overall, in league, or against D-3 (it used to be over .500, now just .500 or better). O' Dowd should qualify in at least one of those categories. With their strength of schedule, I can't see them being lower than a 6-seed in a D-3 section that is really down this year. Below are the current Maxpreps rankings for the top 16. Even if O' Dowd and Campo qualify, that bracket may only have 10 qualifiers (the top 9 plus Piner based on league record).

1 Moreau Catholic (Hayward) 15-4 11.5
2 Albany 15-5 6.9
3 Miramonte (Orinda) 14-6 7.7
4 Drake (San Anselmo) 15-6 7.7
5 Bishop O'Dowd (Oakland) 8-10 18.2
6 San Marin (Novato) 16-5 5.7
7 Campolindo (Moraga) 9-10 11.2
8 Analy (Sebastopol) 14-6 -0.1
9 Encinal (Alameda) 12-9 4.8
10 Hercules 8-13 9.6
11 Tamalpais (Mill Valley) 6-14 7.8
12 Piner (Santa Rosa) 8-9 1.5
13 De Anza (El Sobrante) 7-10 3.8
14 Alhambra (Martinez) 6-13 6.0
15 San Rafael 8-13 1.1
16 Pinole Valley (Pinole) 5-15 6.1

 

[sports09]

Streak and turtle,
The difference with prolific and montverde is that Cif recognizes that Monteverde is an actual school. Prolific is not recognized because it is not a school. Any CIF team can play montverde and to play prolific it would have to be preseason or summer.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

Agree completely, which is why I do not believe PP's nonsense that CIF pulled the rug on the game with O'Dowd at the last minute.

 

[passfirst]

Apparently there are rules which PP does not meet. If they didn't know the rules, they shouldn't blame CIF.

My guess is the school they were going to play had 5th year seniors. CIF does not allow schools to play prep schools that have 5th year players. The same situation happen a few years ago when Cornerstone Academy from Texas played in the Gridley Tournament and St Hope Classic. But it's just a guess. Montverde, doesn't have. 5th year players.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

I do not believe PP has 5th year seniors.

 

[larry legend33]

I remember years ago when Jesuit beat Montverde up here in Sac. Montverde was little known back then but they are a school which makes the comparison not a good one.

Odowd is my all warmup team this year. Like Dicky V''s all airport teams from years ago. Got your 7'0 kid and a few 6"7-6'8 guys but when the ball goes up the deer in the headlights turn on and you realize they are very average.

 

[passfirst]

I do not believe PP has 5th year seniors.

They don't but Cif does not recognize them as a school. Therfore no Cif member school can play the during the season.

 

[observer22]

Didn't PP cite some new CIF rule that requires that a prep school be established for at least 3 years before a CIF team can play them?

 

[infofreak]

qualification rule is that you just have to be .500 or better overall, in league, or against D-3 (it used to be over .500, now just .500 or better).

This note from above. So it does benefit programs to be strategic in scheduling a non league that assures them a plus 500 won loss. I assume though that those who seed see through the soft schedules and seed according to merit. Hopefully.

 

[TurtleLoveCA]

CCS is .500 or better in league OR non-league.

 

[infofreak]

Yup. The really good programs take on tough schedules, period, so that their kids are pushed and the programs honed for post season. I was looking at Maxpreps and I saw a 22 - 0 team with a 3 schedule strength. It wasn't rated very high in the rankings. Concord is barely break even but plays about an 11 schedule strength (as I recall) Dublin and Dougherty are two of the more talked about teams this year in the tri valley but if Maxpreps is correct they play among the easiest schedules among top 100 teams. What is interesting is that they are pretty evenly matched in terms of competitiveness with each other and they've played similarly rated schedules. As for seedings, it would be wrong for dublin at an 8 schedule to be seeded higher than MV at an 11 schedule strength. I'm curious to see how this all shakes out.

 

[Streak One]

Thanks everyone. Good responses.