High School Sports Covid Data
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don’t expect to get any rational comments from most people on this board. You are killing people unless you hide in your closet until there isn’t one case worldwide.
A study that says "workouts" were fine does not take into account that (1.) there was no close contact allowed in these workouts, and (2) workouts are done in a closed community (only my kids are there, not another team). When you add in games (no social distancing with some teams coming from areas with much higher case loads than my town), fans in the stands (social distancing achieved? fans wearing masks?) it is a whole new ball game.
If you think that high school programs are going to be more COVID free than college or professional programs where game after game has been postponed or cancelled you aren't thinking. You are just hoping.
Finally, as I pointed out in another post, a Texas trauma surgeon says it's rare that X-rays from any of her COVID-19 patients come back without dense scarring. Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall said, "Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen. And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... and on... and on."
"Everyone's just so worried about the mortality thing and that's terrible and it's awful," she told CBS in Dallas. "But man, for all the survivors and the people who have tested positive even without symptoms this is going to be a problem." “It's not something you can blow off. This isn't something you want to have. Because even if you survive, you still may be left with some severe complications that make it very hard for you to go back to your baseline functioning." How many of your players do you want to put in this situation?
If you think that high school programs are going to be more COVID free than college or professional programs where game after game has been postponed or cancelled you aren't thinking. You are just hoping.
Finally, as I pointed out in another post, a Texas trauma surgeon says it's rare that X-rays from any of her COVID-19 patients come back without dense scarring. Dr. Brittany Bankhead-Kendall said, "Post-COVID lungs look worse than any type of terrible smoker's lung we've ever seen. And they collapse. And they clot off. And the shortness of breath lingers on... and on... and on."
"Everyone's just so worried about the mortality thing and that's terrible and it's awful," she told CBS in Dallas. "But man, for all the survivors and the people who have tested positive even without symptoms this is going to be a problem." “It's not something you can blow off. This isn't something you want to have. Because even if you survive, you still may be left with some severe complications that make it very hard for you to go back to your baseline functioning." How many of your players do you want to put in this situation?
Have you left your house in the last year? Gone to a retail store or gas station? I hope not....
I'm heading to a "Let the kids Play" protest at 4pm today in front of Amador Valley HS (not supported by the school) to protest the idiocracy of the state.
I would love to read the study. I also have questions about the study. For example, all 251 high schools in this report had daily testing?
this 'study', california data means no competitions and full practices are included in the data, not to mention locker rooms are closed, etc.. so they are going to correlate social distancing workouts to practices, games, locker rooms access, weight room access, etc?
we can already see how this is impacting pro sports... i can think of exactly zero high schools who will be able to enact pro level protocols to 100 football kids, never mind all of the other sports in season. And we see how pro athletes are cavalierly breaking the rules... surely HS kids are going to follow them
. and again, there seems to be zero data about how infected kids are affecting the spread to their families, at least it's not being reported. How many cases or deaths come from spread from a HS kid... it's certainly greater than zero. But to not talk about it, and to say we can do this safely... seems like a big hole in their outcome measures.
Agreed. That interview was one of the best things I’ve seen on the topic.
If you bothered to read the data you would see the states who played games with very limited cases. Your report from Texas has nothing to do with 14-18 year old HS Athletes. If you have the data from her patients feel free to share. 99% of Parents want their kids back in spite of the minimal risks. If you are the 1% that's Ok as well.
Towns says he's tested positive for COVID-19
Karl-Anthony Towns, whose mother died from complications related to COVID-19 in April, says he has tested positive for the virus.
KAT has covid now. First his mom and other family members pass away from it and now he's got covid. Scary.
i wish people would stop saying there is no evidence of this being spread through sports. the truth is, there is not a great study on this in existence, and any studies that involve self reporting are always going to be flawed. Especially any 'study' that comes from a football coach (biased much?) But there is plenty of anecdotal evidence of transmission.
https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/co...laiming-no-extra-risk-of-virus-through-sports
We have reached that point again of needing to end a discussion. Everyone has their point of view and I don't think it will get swayed.
The original point of this thread was highlighting what the Golden State High School Coaches Community put together.
The original point of this thread was highlighting what the Golden State High School Coaches Community put together.
This ain’t no democracy. I guess perceived bad input is worse than no input😂.
I would like to be honestly blunt for a little bit.
I moderate this board and run NorCalPreps as a whole, but really, this board is for the people who post and/or read only (more than a few of those I have found). Within reason, I want this board to be a place people can kick around ideas on involving high school sports and those connected to it. Given what the past 10 months have been, there isn't a lot to kick around in that subject area.
I have tried to empoly a give and take when it comes to certain subjects (allow more leeway to the rules, but also not let this board turn into a ugly Facebook thread).
All that to say, I'm not sure what you want from the boards, so I figured I would ask.
What do you want this message board to look like going forward? As i said, there are certain things that I won't allow but I genuinly want to know what posters want on here. Here are three outcomes I see, but I'm sure there are more
You can reply on here, shoot me a message on the site or email me at norcalpreps@yahoo..com
Thanks everyone
I moderate this board and run NorCalPreps as a whole, but really, this board is for the people who post and/or read only (more than a few of those I have found
). Within reason, I want this board to be a place people can kick around ideas on involving high school sports and those connected to it. Given what the past 10 months have been, there isn't a lot to kick around in that subject area.I have tried to empoly a give and take when it comes to certain subjects (allow more leeway to the rules, but also not let this board turn into a ugly Facebook thread).
All that to say, I'm not sure what you want from the boards, so I figured I would ask.
What do you want this message board to look like going forward? As i said, there are certain things that I won't allow but I genuinly want to know what posters want on here. Here are three outcomes I see, but I'm sure there are more
- Let conversation go wherever it goes as long as there isn't trolling, personal attacks and has some connect to high school sports (for example, COVID talk falls under that. Your favorites movies don't)
- Allow for coversation to go wherever, but I will hide anything that doesn't have a strong connection to high school or college sports
- Only talk of high school and college sports are allowed. Anything that strays from that will be eliminated.
You can reply on here, shoot me a message on the site or email me at norcalpreps@yahoo..com
Thanks everyone
No More Covid talk!! Its all a scam anyway lol HS sports should not be political. Its an escape for lying elected knuckleheads like Newsom, Trump and sleepy Joe.I would like to be honestly blunt for a little bit.
I moderate this board and run NorCalPreps as a whole, but really, this board is for the people who post and/or read only (more than a few of those I have found
I have tried to empoly a give and take when it comes to certain subjects (allow more leeway to the rules, but also not let this board turn into a ugly Facebook thread).
All that to say, I'm not sure what you want from the boards, so I figured I would ask.
What do you want this message board to look like going forward? As i said, there are certain things that I won't allow but I genuinly want to know what posters want on here. Here are three outcomes I see, but I'm sure there are more
I have my opinions, but like I said earlier, this board is for people who post on it and read it. I know this board can be better and I want to work toward that.
- Let conversation go wherever it goes as long as there isn't trolling, personal attacks and has some connect to high school sports (for example, COVID talk falls under that. Your favorites movies don't)
- Allow for coversation to go wherever, but I will hide anything that doesn't have a strong connection to high school or college sports
- Only talk of high school and college sports are allowed. Anything that strays from that will be eliminated.
You can reply on here, shoot me a message on the site or email me at norcalpreps@yahoo..com
Thanks everyone
My posting has gone down to a small trickle here. Just want the kids to be able to play. I appreciate everyone's stance on worldwide pandemic issues. Unless we are going to remove governments interference with making blanket Statewide decisions when this is coming down to an Individuals choice, then we might as well be beating our heads against the wall. Rowe v Wade "Anyone...Anyone...Bueller.....Bueller." I hope it doesn't come to this but it seems to be going down this route.
You should have stopped at: "I appreciate everyone's stance on worldwide pandemic issues"
Don't you see that your very next words could be interpreted as another divisive issue? Really? Is that what you were shooting for?
Here's wishing you great football.
Not trying for divisive, just trying to make sense of it? We all have the same questions that have no business here. This forum was to build knowledge about local athletes and programs which brings us all together. To celebrate these Athletes. I look forward to that day soon, hopefully. Wishing you the best Marcskit!
Here is where I have landed. We are returning to the previously stated rules for the boards. The rules are posted at the top of the board, but here they are again
RULES
RULES
- No trolling (making a deliberately offensive or provocative online post with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.)
- No posting of fake news headlines or unfounded rumors
- No political talk
- No use of foul language directed at others or in your own descriptions.
Seems like the let them play movement is gaining some traction. Over 35k signatures.
Southern Section, City Section cancel playoffs in football and other fall sports
By canceling playoffs, the Southern and City sections believe schools might hold regular-season games this spring if there is a reduction in coronavirus cases.
www.latimes.com
Frankly, I find the posted "Nationwide High School Football Data" very misleading. It lists "reports" by coaches and others outside the realm (and scrutiny/analysis/deductions) of public health authorities. Attempting to contact trace the 25-40% of asymptomatic cases (the great majority of whom are younger adults) in counties in urban/surburban areas versus rural counties is STILL a problem. Yet high school coaches were able to do a version of that? The document is eye-opening, but only for those who are less versed in the complexities of spread reduction.
I commiserate with Walsh and Alumbaugh and certainly agree with them there are a multitude of mental health issues for ALL, not just high school athletes. The short season proposal for the SVCAL is a tough compromise, but asking for an "opportunity" to "let them play" could be asking for a lot more. In California this month: the highest ICU rates ever, the highest rate in deaths ever, and news of mutated variants with potential spreader statistics unknown.
I commiserate with Walsh and Alumbaugh and certainly agree with them there are a multitude of mental health issues for ALL, not just high school athletes. The short season proposal for the SVCAL is a tough compromise, but asking for an "opportunity" to "let them play" could be asking for a lot more. In California this month: the highest ICU rates ever, the highest rate in deaths ever, and news of mutated variants with potential spreader statistics unknown.
Yes we must get kids back in schools. But sports? Here is where Nevada stands on sports as of 3 days ago:
High school football won’t be played this school year in Nevada.
The Clark County School District informed schools Friday afternoon that all sports traditionally contested in the fall would be canceled because of the pandemic. Campuses throughout Southern Nevada remain closed, meaning it would be impractical to conduct a sports season.
Fall sports were supposed to resume in February. Other sports affected include: girls golf and volleyball, boys and girls tennis, and boys and girls soccer.
CCSD in late 2020 also canceled the winter season of basketball, wrestling, bowling and girls flag football.
The spring seasons for baseball, softball, track, swimming, boys golf and volleyball are still in play. Those sports were contested for about two weeks last March before being canceled at the outset of the pandemic.
CCSD principals are working on a plan to bring students back to campus, but there’s no timeline and plans would still have to be approved. That means there’s a strong possibility that the spring sports will also be canned, which would mean that Class of 2021 graduates could miss two varsity spring sport seasons.
A majority of states have had high school sports in some form. But those states weren’t as heavily affected by the pandemic as Nevada, which was considered a virus hot spot in the fall.
High school football won’t be played this school year in Nevada.
The Clark County School District informed schools Friday afternoon that all sports traditionally contested in the fall would be canceled because of the pandemic. Campuses throughout Southern Nevada remain closed, meaning it would be impractical to conduct a sports season.
Fall sports were supposed to resume in February. Other sports affected include: girls golf and volleyball, boys and girls tennis, and boys and girls soccer.
CCSD in late 2020 also canceled the winter season of basketball, wrestling, bowling and girls flag football.
The spring seasons for baseball, softball, track, swimming, boys golf and volleyball are still in play. Those sports were contested for about two weeks last March before being canceled at the outset of the pandemic.
CCSD principals are working on a plan to bring students back to campus, but there’s no timeline and plans would still have to be approved. That means there’s a strong possibility that the spring sports will also be canned, which would mean that Class of 2021 graduates could miss two varsity spring sport seasons.
A majority of states have had high school sports in some form. But those states weren’t as heavily affected by the pandemic as Nevada, which was considered a virus hot spot in the fall.
I would like to see your sources you cite for the increase in athletes joining gangs and teen pregnancy rising
FYI, I’m not okay with the collateral outcomes for children. It’s not good...at all.
“I can assure you the long term effects...outweigh the short..”
Then you are an MD, a PsychD, an epidemiologist, a Pulmonologist, etc. ALL at the same time. I don’t need a lecture on risk: wearing a 95 and a Level 3 over that since last June. So I’m pretty protected too. Does that mean I let down my guard so my -89 year old insulin dependent major surgery in August relative- gets exposed? And when it’s stated “over 40+ States played successful (sic)” that’s conjecture. And the reason is there has been NO study related to the contact tracing and ultimate source of spread for most of the deaths; I.e. “Who brought it to the kid of the LVN who eats lunch with the CNA in the break room of Sunny Acres?”- is because it’s logistically impossible. That is WHY FDA granted emergency approval to Pfizer, Moderna and soon Astra-Zeneca/ J&J.
And what about Mis-C affecting Latino kids at a higher rate whose parents have disproportionately been essential for the last 10 months? Short term? Wrong.
“We are heading in the right direction.” I can’t argue that if it pertains to vaccine production. Distribution or the uptick in cases due to Christmas and New Years travel? Nah.
The statement “Not one athlete has died” is not only false but callous. This was the first hit, I could go on....
Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications
Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.
www.king5.com
Yes, HS sports may find a way to play. I’m with you on that and SVCAL’s proposal is a start.
Maybe our acceptance of levels of collateral damage are not.
Today’s Bay Area News Group lead editorial on prep sports “...pose an unacceptable risk” cite the Rocklin AAU hoops outbreak Although several NCP posters have illustrated that outcome, it’s interesting not a peep about the two December wrestling spreader events in Florida....hmmmm.
The State of Illinois is now starting HS basketball immediately and Football on March 3rd.
California is on the way to being the only State not having a Football and Basketball season.
If other States can figure it out, why can't CA? All HS Sports should be allowed to be played in the Red and Purple. The Orange and Yellow are set too strict and unachievable.
Keep pushing! Support the Let Them Play rallies on Friday!
chicago.suntimes.com
California is on the way to being the only State not having a Football and Basketball season.
If other States can figure it out, why can't CA? All HS Sports should be allowed to be played in the Red and Purple. The Orange and Yellow are set too strict and unachievable.
Keep pushing! Support the Let Them Play rallies on Friday!
IHSA releases full 2021 schedule, says basketball can start now and football on March 3
The Illinois High School Association has revealed its new calendar for high school sports.
chicago.suntimes.com
FYI, I’m not okay with the collateral outcomes for children. It’s not good...at all.
“I can assure you the long term effects...outweigh the short..”
Then you are an MD, a PsychD, an epidemiologist, a Pulmonologist, etc. ALL at the same time. I don’t need a lecture on risk: wearing a 95 and a Level 3 over that since last June. So I’m pretty protected too. Does that mean I let down my guard so my -89 year old insulin dependent major surgery in August relative- gets exposed? And when it’s stated “over 40+ States played successful (sic)” that’s conjecture. And the reason is there has been NO study related to the contact tracing and ultimate source of spread for most of the deaths; I.e. “Who brought it to the kid of the LVN who eats lunch with the CNA in the break room of Sunny Acres?”- is because it’s logistically impossible. That is WHY FDA granted emergency approval to Pfizer, Moderna and soon Astra-Zeneca/ J&J.
And what about Mis-C affecting Latino kids at a higher rate whose parents have disproportionately been essential for the last 10 months? Short term? Wrong.
“We are heading in the right direction.” I can’t argue that if it pertains to vaccine production. Distribution or the uptick in cases due to Christmas and New Years travel? Nah.
The statement “Not one athlete has died” is not only false but callous. This was the first hit, I could go on....
Puyallup High School graduate dies of COVID-19 complications
Eli Sevener played football and baseball and graduated in 2019.
Yes, HS sports may find a way to play. I’m with you on that and SVCAL’s proposal is a start.
Maybe our acceptance of levels of collateral damage are not.
The Washington kid is unfortunate but not a HS Athlete. It's a fact youth death rate is same as the flu. Dr.Fauci and Biden are saying schools can operate safely.
CarmelKid/AnkleAssassin I don't know how you have blinders on the damage the closure of school and Sports have impacted youth. The long term is quite obvious actually. When kids drop out of school the lifelong consequences are serious, look it up. We are going to play like the other 4o States, it's just a matter of time,
Good news for the kids in Massachusetts.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...i-season-beginning-feb-22.html?outputType=amp
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ma...i-season-beginning-feb-22.html?outputType=amp
*This post may be inaccurate in your area due to the protocols in individual counties. Check with your local authorities for current information.
Vaccinations have opened up to those in education in California (Tier 1B) as of today. The state should make every effort to have those approx. 400,000 people vaccinated FULLY within 8 weeks. NO EXCUSES for not doing that. If everyone of them got their first shot today, they could have their second shot in three (Pfizer) or four (Moderna) weeks and be fully covered after another one to two weeks. That's fully protected teachers as early as mid-March. Start there and keep on working the problem!
Vaccinations have opened up to those in education in California (Tier 1B) as of today. The state should make every effort to have those approx. 400,000 people vaccinated FULLY within 8 weeks. NO EXCUSES for not doing that. If everyone of them got their first shot today, they could have their second shot in three (Pfizer) or four (Moderna) weeks and be fully covered after another one to two weeks. That's fully protected teachers as early as mid-March. Start there and keep on working the problem!
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Fair enough. Poor choice of words. There are still a lot of questions about transmission, even with the vaccine. Additionally, 95% effective is not 100%.
Better stated as : Full vaccine EFFICACY could be achieved for teachers within the timeframe outlined above.
However, full efficacy is as good as it will ever get, so keep developing therapeutics for the outliers and keep working the problem.
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